I think there are 4 more winnable games (MN, ATL, AZ, and GB). Given that it’s always been a rebuild project, I think we keep Poles, Flus, and Fields if we get 7 wins, especially if we look okay in the losses.
The team is on the way up, still playing hard, and I think 3 years is a more reasonable timeline.
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Please no
Lions fan with an honest question:
If you guys do end up with the first pick in the draft with the Carolina pick, does Fields remain the starter?
There’s no way unless Fields magically figures it out in the middle of year three. I think we know what he is at this point. A mediocre QB.
My honest opinion? I don’t care a lot either way. I would lean towards firing everyone, but if they don’t I don’t think it’s a tragedy.
Very very very few coaches are actually good and a few are very bad but the vast majority are Just Guys whose fortunes rise and fall on QB play, luck and the shifting scheme meta.
I have some concerns about some of Poles’ apparent philosophies, but he clearly wasn’t building with years 1 and 2 in mind.
If you go to the 31 other NFL team subreddits, you’ll find probably 25 of them copy-pasting all the same stuff we say about how their owner/gm/coach are the stupidest ever and nothing could ever change until they get rid of them.
Finally a thread where I don’t feel insane reading people’s comments. I disagree a little with your preference but I agree with your sentiment.
Getsy I feel is a gotta go no matter what, he’s made the same mistake two years in a row and there’s really no sign that he’s changing his philosophy.
Flus i really really don’t give a shit, he’s got the defense looking a little better since Allan Williams was fired and we expected this defense to be awful at the start of the year. I think it’s easy to hate a head coach when the team is losing but there’s nothing to really point to that’s fireable. Like you said a lot of coaches are jags.
I really like poles’ philosophy and think he’s staying no matter what. I like how he treats draft picks as liquid asset. Sure he didn’t make the right move on claypool but he’s gotten so much more back from other places. His OL is coming together very nicely. He has put there Bears in a very nice situation to abandon ship on him though lol.
I’m a Fields guy but I really don’t see him being the qb next year. I think he’s got a lot of the intangibles that he could still be successful despite the body of work he’s put up so far. Don’t get me wrong he’s got glaring weaknesses. I just feel he’s got as good of chance to clean those up and turn it around as any dude coming out of college has the chance to succeed. If you’ll let me be delusional if poles must draft a qb, I still don’t see any reason to ship Fields off unless there’s a haul of picks coming back. Just force him to be Taysom Hill if he wants play time and take a comp pick if he walks in 25
I disagree with the thought that there isn’t a reason to fire Flus. My main struggle with Flus is his control of the team. We have the 3rd most penalties, and we are tied for most false starts with the Panthers. Penalties, and especially false starts, are a sign of a coaching weakness. These are fundamentals of football, and things that are focused on at the high school and college levels. If our team can’t even wait until the ball is snapped then that is a problem at the practice level, and a symptom of bad overall coaching. Usually this is because practices are focusing on making plays rather than fundamentals.
You can also see it in the tackles. Every coach will tell you that the way to tackle is to wrap up the person, so even if you don’t take them down you are still inhibiting movement. Instead we have guys throwing shoulders. Yes, throwing a shoulder will sometimes take people down, but if it doesn’t the ball carrier has nothing slowing them down after the hit. We see way too many blown tackles because the defense isn’t wrapping people up. Again, a sign of poor coaching.
I don’t actually think that Flus is a bad coach, but I don’t think he is a coach for a young team that really needs to work on gelling as a team, that needs to focus on fundamentals of football, that needs to develop in almost all areas including QB. He would be great taking over a team of vets, but he’s just not the type of coach we need.
I do think that we could benefit from a college D1 head coach. They are coaches that are used to working with less experienced players. They are good at creating teams atmospheres because their teams drastically change year after year. They are perfect to rebuild with rookies. I would love to see a D1 HC take over the rebuild.
I agree, Flus has reached out to and touched all the young players on the Bears and helped with their development in ways that they never felt from Alvin Williams
I would be mostly here if it was just our 1st and a 7-10 record precluded us from getting a top QB in the draft. But with what’s very likely the 1.01-1.02, we simply cannot re-repeat the mistakes of the past by handing a highly drafted rookie QB to a lame duck coach and then stunting his development by changing the entire staff before year 2 (see also Fox-Trubs, Nagy-Fields). If we want to keep Flus/Getsy we need to commit to keeping them at least another 3 years. Does anyone want to do that? I sure don’t.
Ah the old he wasn’t even trying excuse.
Please explain trading 2nd round picks if he wasn’t even trying to compete this year.
Poles did try, he’s just very bad.
Wait, Poles wasn’t building with years 1 and 2 in mind? I mean, year 1 sure … but year 2?
All last year the narrative here was “yeah we’re really bad, but we have a ton of cap room and great draft capital this offseason, we will be much better next year after we spend and shore up the issues.” And now it’s, clearly we weren’t ever building to be decent this year?
We were all over the “which team is going to be the most improved in 2023?” lists last year, and we are still miserable looking at a top-5 pick. This thread talking about running it back with another year of Fields (and Poles and Eberflus) is weird to me, given that 2 of our 3 wins so far were with Fields on the bench.
Someone said it in another thread. Good coaches don’t lose 14 straight. Eberlose has to go.
What about good quarterbacks
Is it possible that Flus is bad by design?
You’re rebuilding so you hire a 101-level teacher to re-establish the basics, bomb a few seasons for draft picks, re-stock young dudes, and trade for a few culture guys. Build your core until you lose they locker room and then go for the innovative coach when your team is ready.
Didn’t the Cubs do this same thing with Rick Renteria?
The Bears themselves did this with John Fox. After the shitshow that was the end of the Trestman era the Bears hired John Fox who was clearly already washed up but who could maintain a locker room. They reset the culture and tried to strike big with Nagy. It would’ve worked but Mitch didn’t develop and that was the end of the Pace era.
I don’t particularly care for Flus but even a mediocre coach can be very successful if the team is just built the right way.
“Great” coaches can do the business with a mediocre roster but there are not many out there.
Good Coaches win division games (more than one even!). Good coaches string (at least) two wins together.
I don’t think there is a scenario where poles gets fired regardless of how we do the rest of the season. I also think the likelihood of Flus going is also low. Fields and the rest of the staff I’m less sure on. If they keep fields I think Getsy is still here too since giving him a 3rd OC wouldn’t be good for anyone, but if fields ends up going I can see a new OC being brought in regardless of Flus’s status.
I think it depends on where we fall in the draft. If we fall at #3 and like #11 then my guess they take MHR and a Tackle or DT and we run it back. If Carolina sucks ass and we end up with a top 2 pick I’m guessing they will use it to draft another QB.
People overlook 1 thing: QB’s are very expensive when they come off rookie contracts. Fields has an option for next year, but then he’s due that 2nd contract. My guess is the Bears will draft a QB strictly because nobody knows if Fields is the guy and at best they only have 1 more year with him before he needs to be paid. By moving on to another rookie QB it allows Poles to spend money building a solid roster outside the QB position.
More than anything, I want the result of this season we need for Getsy to get the stanky boot. Anything less is a disappointment.
I don’t know why you would think it’s realistic for us to win 4/4 winnable games to close the season when we’ve won, like, 3/7 winnable games to open the season
Flus needs to go. He’s a clown who has had multiple coaching issues. Indictment on him
7-10 is what a lot of analysts pegged for their record this season. Going 4-3 in this stretch would end on a high note. In this scenario, Flus at least keeps his job at least. Also depends on how you get to those wins.
If they get to 7 wins there is probably no chance Bears fire Flus, but I won’t feel great about running it back with him. Fields is still debatable. He’d have to be consistently good through the remaining games to pass on 2 great prospects.
I think if they go on this run, it proves that Flus didn’t totally lose guys and if they put forth a winning effort, Flus should get the credit. I kinda wanna see the Bears continue to disappoint because I’m done with this coaching staff.
I feel like that last sentence articulates what’s happened to America in the last decade. It’s basically saying I’d rather inflict harm and loss on others (bears fans) rather than admit I was wrong. That’s so crazy. To just be even slightly pulled that was is so demoralizing… I don’t know if you meant it but it just hit me deep.
I think it depends on what pick we get. If we end up with #1, it’s very hard to pass on Maye regardless of how Justin performs (within reason). If we end up with #2 and Maye is gone, I think Williams is no better of a prospect than Fields was, so if Fields looks even okay then we might as well keep him (the contract is irrelevant to us at the moment.) If we end up with #3 or later, I think Fields has a real chance of staying anyway, because Harrison becomes the target and there is no other QB you need to take in the top 10 this year. We might grab another QB late in the 1st or in the 2nd after trading back, but he won’t be an automatic starter.
Disagree. Williams is a much better prospect. Navigating pocket, working through reads, hitting windows instead of waiting for wide open guys, and mechanics are far superior than Fields had in college.
Who is the second great prospect assuming #1 is Williams.
Well they aren’t getting to 7 wins. Maybe 5 and a small chance at 6.
Hard to say without context of performance and where the CAR pick ends up.
So much young talent on this team and many key players have been hurt including Fields. We are missing two coaches also. It would only be fair to see the team as a whole.
I think Flus needs to get to 6 Wins. He won’t.