It will well and truly be dead and gone once old.reddit.com stops working. It remains the one good way to view the site, regardless of device.
My theory is that they realize that a significant number of power users on the site are still using old.reddit.com, so they are keeping it going because getting rid of it would turn the website into a ghost town. They will continue to push their app and new website because they can push more advertising through it to the people that are just there to consume.
Old reddit still has screens and moderation tools that haven’t been rebuilt. It’s kept on life support for mods right now.
I think you are vastly underestimating the amount of people that only interact with social media through apps in this day and age. Even on Reddit I would be surprised if the old design is more than a few percent of the user base.
It honestly does raise the question of why they are still maintaining the old UI. It seems like it would be an annoying legacy product to keep alive for a tiny part of the user-base. Perhaps it’s used as an API stability canary or something though.
Not at all. I’m comparing the vast majority that only consume to a small minority that actually interact and provide the content that others consume. Without that minority all that would be left is bot comments.
Reddit pushes an ad and tracking infested app to make money off the consumers while doing the minimum to keep the content submitters on the site even if they make no money off them. I wouldn’t be surprised if old reddit was a couple percent of users but 25% of the comments that aren’t bots.
old.reddit.com on mobile is a bit rough but otherwise yeah
Use the Slide fork!
from what I heard and saw from some mods (who can see the statistics on the old.reddit usage), it’s less than 10%, sadly.
the vast majority is using the shitty new design
Or the app exclusively, and probably aren’t aware of the web interface at all.
Reddit went full Facebook by making it more accessible to the general public, with the predictable Eternal September results.
they realize that a significant number of power users on the site are still using old.reddit.com
Wonder how they feel about people like me, who use a third party Reddit app on Android? They get no ad revenue from me, and I don’t contribute either.
how are you still doing that, I thought they all shut down like three years ago with the whole API debacle
Reddit blocked third party apps but they didn’t block personal-use API access. With the help of some apk-editing tools that I won’t mention here, you could import your own API key into a third party apps and continue using it fully (including posting and commenting). I’m using Reddit Sync still.
My API key still works, but my understanding is Reddit recently blocked the generation of new keys. So at some point my key will probably die too. At that point, that’s the end of Reddit for me.
wait recently blocked? did they end up reverting the change they did back when the API thing was done? that was one of the things they did then was restrict API key generation
On android you can using redreader for free. I’m still using it for anonim read only reddit
The main change was them charging for the API so you can simply make a developer API key for free and patch it into apps. I’m using Boost and it still works well.
I think there are still “read-only” clients. I haven’t looked in awhile, but I know there were some available via F-Droid (alternative app store) long after the API was cut off. I assume they use standard web scraping for grabbing content.
Also, I’m not sure if it still works, but I think you can still use open source clients that rely on the API, you just have to compile/build them yourself using your account’s own personal API key.
I haven’t looked into either of these in a while and definitely not an expert on the topic, but I’m sure if you’re interested there’s enough info out there to find a solution that works for you.
AFAIK there are a few, “read only” apps. iOS has RDX, not sure about Android.
I’ve answered to a sibling comment, but I’ll duplicate here. Hydra is not read-only and works really well on iOS.
I use stealth on android. It’s limited. Gifs show as links. No where near as good as sync used to be. But still better than the website if I end up there via a google search.
Sadly this is (very popular, according to comments here and on Reddit) copium. old.reddit.com visits are a rounding error, per the traffic stats of the normie subreddit I moderate:
Most people simply do not have the technical acumen and tenure on Reddit to know to type in that subdomain. As always, relevant XKCD (posted today on Lemmy, funnily enough):
I said it in another response, it isn’t visits I’m talking about, it’s about who generates content on the website and what percentage of those users use old.reddit.
It isn’t copium either, we are speculating why Reddit keeps up the old version at all, after all this time they must have some analytics that it would significantly harm the site to disable it.
I don’t have any evidence either way as far as who uses old.reddit to submit versus who doesn’t, and I don’t think there is any.
I have the same thought. I still use Reddit, 100% on Old Reddit and I think objectively you could say I contribute a lot in terms of comments and participation. If old Reddit goes away, I’m done.
Well they certainly are driving more people to it by removing /r/all except on the old subdomain.
I keep seeing people saying that Reddit will be dead when this or that happens. I’ve seen a handful of those things come to pass already and reddit it doing just fine.
Most people don’t care. They will continue using it. It will survive.
Reddit is doing fine and Reddit is fine are two different things.
Most users complain consistently about it. That’s not a good sign for them.
Their popular posts don’t get as many upvotes/comments as they used to. There’s definitely a decline in usage.
It’s being overrun by bots.
Tons of people are getting bot banned off the platform.
It’s not like it’s going to just disappear anytime soon. But I’ve seen this many times before. It’s a dying platform. But it’ll be a slow death. And by death I mean it’ll just become irrelevant compared to other platforms. It’ll probably never actually go away. No one I know uses Facebook anymore. It used to be HUGE. We ALL used it. Now it’s a ghost town on my feed. I’ve messaged people and never got a response and run into them at a birthday or something months later and “Oh sorry, I don’t check it anymore”. It’s still there, but may as well not be. That’s Reddit’s future.
I’ve read this exact comment a hundred and one times before you just wrote it. The average end user does not care. We are a vocal minority.
It takes time for the comment to bear out in truth. I’d back it though, it’ll be a slow drip but they’ll all be over here in a few years time.
Two things I noticed was most subreddits that weren’t front pagers are getting way less traffic than they used to across the entire site.
The other is why I left: I saw a front page millions of subscribers subreddit go out of their way to temporarily bot purge during the IPO* drama. Upvotes went from 10k+ to…hundreds. Posting frequency fell off a cliff. It was so disturbing I left because I saw that in conjunction with Benn Jordan’s video estimating how much of xshitter was bot traffic which he estimated to be a full third of all traffic on xshitler a year ago.
I’m not defending reddit, nor care if reddit dies, but you are saying shit as if it is fact and not providing any sources to back up anything you are saying, and it might as well be reading nonsense from a Facebook MAGA boomer
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I’m not entirely sure what this does? It automatically creates a copy of a post to lemmy when you post on reddit?
I wonder if a plugin that does the opposite would be helpful? Something that automatically creates a link post on the relevant reddit community when you post on lemmy.
It died for me the day they got rid of .compact
It was the third party apps for me. I never browser Reddit on their site itself.
Yup.
I’m down to only using Old Reddit on desktop while I’m stuck at work on weekdays. No time for that shithole on weekends.
If Old Reddit goes, that’ll be it for Reddit for me.
Sadly this is (very popular, according to comments here and on Reddit) copium. old.reddit.com visits are a rounding error, per the traffic stats of the normie subreddit I moderate:
Most people simply do not have the technical acumen and tenure on Reddit to know to type in that subdomain. As always, relevant XKCD (posted today on Lemmy, funnily enough):
Agreed
100%. For any fans of old out there whose Lemmy instance doesn’t support it, you can use https://o.opnxng.com/ as a proxy.
I use OldLander and old Reddit Redirect browser extensions
I found the Artemis app and it’s surprisingly close to Apollo and Voyager with Liquid Glass aesthetic and works just as well.
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The enshittification continues.
until morale improves, right?
Not just of reddit but also for some reason Google (at least for me) often recommends <search term> reddit and ranks reddit posts quite highly, so this enshitifies google too.
Google’s demise due to socialmedia walled gardens was kind of understandable, but their decision to lean into Reddit and make themselves extra vulnerable to the whims of a corporation they don’t own, is entirely in them.
i think you have reddit and googles position reversed, reddit is pretty much dependant on google almost entirely, they put thier search bar on the top, allows reddit to use its v3 captch3 to catch “bots/ban” , and then thier sudden appearance of using AI to moderate the site.
When I search for something I often get suggestions for “search term” reddit.
Google have chosen to send people to reddit If reddit make those results unusable that a big fuck up.
Yeah i can’t see Google keep sending mobile users to reddit.
That dumbass app was enough reason why I’m here.
I’d say it’s responsible for at least 75% of us being here!
I’m pretty of the other 25% who came here because we got banned for saying something that offended someone’s feefees. I honestly couldn’t be happier.
RedReader still works and isn’t all that bad.
I will not install their app. Period.
I hope it ends up pushing more people here!
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More people
Welcome!! :)
I think that people leaving Reddit will go to Bluesky, Instagram and Discord…
Like anywhere but on the fedi.
To be fair, I didn’t know anything about the fediverse until I got banned from Reddit. I had tried all the other platforms you listed but none had the interactions the same as Reddit. Too bad we can’t get more publicity somehow.
I deleted it a long time ago
Maybe its too on the nose to say so on Lemmy, but fuck Reddit right in the earhole. Their pearl-clutching, risk-averse, pro-corporate moderation-bot and tattle-tale system was the last straw.
You forgot to mention their being the cuckold of Israel, or perhaps the Gimp. Fuck Reddit better dead than Reddit is a username says on here.
There are still Lemmy users who go to reddit and reddit users who are exploring alternatives.
Onboarding onto Lemmy isn’t the best experience and a lot of existing redditors are already afraid of change and don’t want to learn a new thing.
I don’t know if there is a website dedicated to making it easier for folks to jump ship but I can say that the amount of content on Lemmy now is much higher than it was when I joined.
I just want 2009 - 2015 Reddit back, or a place that resembles it. It was just a pleasant time.
Ah yes, right around when Gislane Maxwell was a power user and mod on Reddit.
i heard she came back recently, but its uncofirmed.
I guess that would line up with her getting transferred to minimum security.
I don’t know if there is a website dedicated to making it easier for folks to jump ship
https://joinfediverse.wiki/Welcome_to_the_Fediverse_Quickstart_guide
i think alot of them go back because of the lack of content, and the federation, plus when an instance vanishes they likely go back in the end.
“These users are already familiar with Reddit and we’ve seen that the experience is much better for them in the app. The app offers a more personalized experience and users can more easily find communities that match their interests.”
Lmao. The personalization is exactly what I don’t want, so fuck off. Also, it’s pretty easy to circumvent. I’m sure there’s multiple ways, but I just go to old reddit.
“Here’s a bunch of lies. We are going to track the fuck out of your dumb ass.”
They’ll kill old Reddit eventually
And then the site will effectively die
I wouldn’t mind if they did it soon tbf. That way I would find other ways to pass the time at work
That sentiment reminds me of this:
I’m surprised they haven’t yet. I only go on reddit for specific TV show subreddits, but even that is mostly filled with people clearly hate watching the show.
Oh I love personalization. When I am the one doing it and not an algorithm doing what it “thinks” is better for me.
“I Like Money” ~Reddit’s shareholders
It’s pushing this user to not use them any more.
The best kind of death in cases like this is self inflicted.
Why do you still go back to it?
Like,every valid reasons (there’s lots) to not use it, doesnt matter on the amount of use. Engaging with it or not is the deciding factor.
So I’m genuinely curious why you just reduced usage
Because there is an actual user base for niche interests. Lemmy is great but doesn’t have nearly enough users to support communities for a lot of topics.
In fact you don’t even have to get too niche to find that a topic is non-existent on lemmy. Sports for example.
Especially hyper local communities.
Yep. Not a lot of call for Loud Bang or Penis Owl memes on Lemmy.
Lemmy is great and that’s the only place I’m posting.
But yeah, if I’m looking for a past conversation on a niche topic, I’ll probably find something to read on reddit.
I had to go back to get Pokémon Fire Ash working on my R36 emulator. That was literally the only place I could find any information and I still had to do a bunch of debugging after getting the starting point. Then I interacted helping another set of people stuck at the same spot. Only found it through startpage, not Reddits search
Boredom. If I get bored enough I’ll have a look at the old cess pool.
the problem with reddit is that it used to be amazing, and is still the best place to ask questions (though with the number of bots this is slowly becoming less and less true).
i still vividly remember the time when i spent 2 weeks messaging microsoft support that insisted that i need to replace the device i just bought, even though i repeatedly told them the device works fine with a different machine so something must be wrong with my PC. so i got frustrated and asked the same question on reddit, within a few hours someone diagnosed exactly what was wrong, and gave me tips on how to fix it (or well, in that case i needed to walk around the issue rather than fix it)
and even now whenever i look up tech issues the first results that actually have thought behind the words (instead of sponsorships for whatever driver updating software company bought the article) it’s usually on reddit
it’s such a shame it’s been aggressively going down hill, it could’ve truly stayed the front page of the internet for decades. all it had to do was not get worse for the user
If you have a question, ask it on lemmy then…
The first people asking on reddit couldn’t just look up an old thread. And they may have waited days for an answer.
But someone answered, and then everyone else with that we just had to search. And the knowledge spread.
If you just search reddit…
You do understand how that’s not helping anything, right?
Like, you could even just make a post here and post the solution you found too. But the only way to fix your complaint is asking questions on lemmy…
Do Lemmy threads ever show up on search engines (the way Reddit threads do)? I don’t think I’ve ever had Google or DDG point me toward any fediverse thread or post.
To be perfectly clear, “Make fedi better for the future by hopping aboard and contributing today” is fine, I don’t object to that. But is that envisioned future, where a search for “Why doesn’t my [X] work with my [Y]” points to the fediverse, even possible in principle? I genuinely do not know the answer.
yeah man but when i have an issue i want a solution to that problem, i’m not thinking about the engagement strategies of social media environments
yeah man but when i have an issue i want a solution to that problem
I understand that and even explained what someone like that would do ahead of time…
you could even just make a post here and post the solution you found too
After you find the answer, you could make a post about the issue and the fix. Preserving that knowledge on Lemmy. If others do that as well, then eventually it will have a base of knowledge.
Which means more people coming here for answers, more people viewing those communities, answering and asking new questions.
Like, if you’re just lazy and don’t want to contribute anything, cool…
But why bother arguing about this?
Why is this more important to you?
man, imagine calling people lazy for not wanting to do double the work just so a social media platform has more content
why don’t you start archiving all tech issues from reddit since you have so much free time?
Lots of subcultures I care about exist only on Reddit. Queer ones, crafting ones, comics, art, science, etc. So when I got banned, it was a bit of a kick in the gut. Lemmy does not have the breadth of content yet, but it does have the queer, and importantly, the ability to talk politics again that I did not have any more on Reddit.
Reddit is a shit hole.
You guys are still using reddit?
For porn, exclusively
This man gets it 👆
Yep
I have a bit of a following there for the stuff I create
Lemmy just doesn’t compare
I did too, until they ip banned me for using a vpn
Surely there are better sources? What kinda kinks you got? Lots of furry shit?
Yeah it’s actually pretty top notch for that across the board, kinks or otherwise.
They blocked NSFW content for users who aren’t logged in last I checked. Still the case? I refuse to test it by visiting their cancer site.
No idea. When I got booted, I deleted my account and haven’t been back other than random internet searches.
I have enough personal experiences I can draw on for rubbing one out. What was really good were the OF people dropping their enticers for people to sign up. They’re good at what they do, the porn is realistic.
Same, I sometime go to redgifs if the wife isn’t up to it, and the content there is quite good but you gotta dig for it in the niches. The front page is filled almost entirely with immediate full frontal dildo fucking with ahegao and I’m so fucking not into that.
I need buildup, some romance, some passion. Otherwise it’s boring.
Reality is important to me with it. This contrived created stuff you see with professional work, its just not real.
They’ve fucked the interface with redgifs for countries that require age verification
I’m verified, because I’m a content creator, but reddit doesn’t recognise it
They’ll probably fix it quickly given how heavily they rely on porn traffic
The T&A need to come this wayy
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Reddit needs to die like digg did
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I hate reddit. They blocked all of my accounts for no reason. And they’re so vague explaining why, and when I tried to appeal, the whole site crashed. Literally joined Lemmy yesterday.
Welcome. Yeah Reddit is an evil forum. Blocked me too when I was doing an ANTI racist statement. Apparently the moderhater thought I was racist, block for life, appeal never helped. I think they cannot read properly.
16 year old reddit account. I got a 3 day suspension for “harassment” for telling the mods of a joe rogan sub that their sub is full of “losers”. I was completely censoring myself by being so soft in my critique. Evidently right wing snowflakes are big fans of cancel culture. Deleted the app & here I am!
Guess we are all here. I also had a 10+ year account and the last few months started getting bans for relatively tame views, most of them taken out of context and then I finally got perma banned.
Scrubbed and deleted all my comments with a Firefox extension and deleted my account. If many of us very active users do this, I believe it can make a dent in their content.
I need to learn more about what’s OK on federated platforms like lemmy, but Im interested in creating a mirror bot that clones all the posts on Reddit. Just a one-way mirror to help boost content depth. Maybe it would be best to create a dedicated lemmy server for that purpose.
That already exists, it’s called the “lemmit” bot, and it absolutely floods the ‘all’ timeline if you try sorting by latest. It’s an annoying pain.
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Thank you! That’s crazy man. Man i hate it so much, you can get banned for literally anything, with no solid reason and explanation. It really is evil. Built a niche news subreddit from the ground up and it was doing good, with about 100 members in 2-3 months. Lost it. I was moderating another bigger subreddit aswell, made it grow and better, all for nothing.
That’s very sad to hear. Good thing you can ventilate it here. Maybe one day there will be enough angry ex users and they’ll remove all bans.
I got permabanned for threatening violence bc I wished a missile strike on Putin. As if I was planning to do that.
I used Reddit since near it’s start, never banned until recently. Apparently saying that public officials who betray their country and the will of the people should be burned at the stake is me making threats. Seems pretty reasonable to me.
But if you had said that about antifa, you would have been fine.
Lol I quit reddit a couple of years ago when they did the API thing. Recently went on there cos I was googling some game stuff that led me there - and I found that the account that was logged in had been banned. I hadn’t commented or voted out even really been there for 2 years and somewhere in that time I earned a ban, somehow. Gotta laugh.
Same.
shrug Fuck that place.
Same here. They don’t want users. They just want bots.
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Glad to have you. Honestly, I think the smaller community makes it better. Even if there is no unending firehose of memes and shitposts here. You can run out.
Welcome, brother!
welcome my friend
They hate anyone even remotely talking about committing political violence, for one.
Are you from a sanctioned country by any chance?
No, i’m from Sweden.
I expect another migration from reddit to lemmy. I’m not saying we are going to explode, but expect some new people in the next few weeks.
September comes early
I’m on piefed, seems good!
There’s not a lot of people here and I expect it to stay that way. I do not foresee the Fediverse growing that much, but I could be wrong.
too many people scattered on lemmy, piefed,etc. after .ee fell it got less people.
It’s all the same platform though, right,?
i dont see a large migration like with last year, it was only due to them purging so many users. reddit realized that they PURGED way too much which would just make the bots obvious, and lower engagment, i think they step off the pedal a bit, but still shadowbanning people though. they just arnt doing straight up bans(which notifies the users)
Next, they will stop allowing to register with random email without confirmation
Edit: jut found out they already did it lol. Then next step will be to require phone number for all new accounts
They used to not require email at all. Did that change?
A long time ago now, literally years and years ago.
So that’s at least four.
Yes. They have been turning more and more restrictive
Yeah they did that a while ago, I think they even block temp emails (unsuccessfully)
I haven’t been able to post to reddit in years now, because I refuse to browse it without a VPN, and while it still lets me in, any account that I make immediately gets shadowbanned as soon as I make a post or a comment.
I can’t tell if it’s because their bot filter is just terribly implemented, or because they don’t want me on their platform if I don’t surrender my public IP address.
I’m pretty sure they just use a “how many different accounts under the same public IP” type of logic, because even if I create an account on a 4G network (no VPN) and post, this happens. Cellular networks often use double NAT (unique internal/carrier IP, shared public IP) to avoid allocating a public IP to each mobile device.
I’ve given up a long time ago. My only exposure to reddit now is when a search results page links me to a post. The most helpful stuff is usually from a decade ago or earlier.
nahh, next is age verification :)
Good.
The more of this they do, the more people move to federated sites.
Welcome Reddit refugees! (Dumb assholes, bots and shills notwithstanding.)
I left when my last account got banned because I suggested a way for dealing with billionaires may or may not include removing their head from the rest of their body.
That first part is notwithstanding a very high percentage of us!
