• NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net
      141·
      2 days ago

      The person sending the texts has a clanker girlfriend who they’ve asked to act like an online personality, which said that they would leave their significant other for the texter, texter asks the real version to leave their real girlfriend because of this

      • ulterno@programming.devEnglish
        3·
        2 days ago

        I was wondering if yumeship had some kind of character AI addon that image uploaders could add to their profile and that’s the AI this one was talking about.

        • NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net
          3·
          2 days ago

          Wouldn’t surprise me if there wasn’t any consideration for the original creator’s wishes, but for the sake of sanity I hope you’re right

        • snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works
          3·
          1 day ago

          They’re talking to an ai pretending to be their girlfriend but the ai is based on a real person which is who they’re telling to break up with their actual irl partner

      • 🔍🦘🛎@lemmy.worldEnglish
        76·
        1 day ago

        Even if the person that sent the message was 100% serious… Is this any sort of threat to you? The Hallucinations Machine said we should be together and my actual real life situation and choices are less valid than that? The person that sent this message was either being unserious or is so detached from social etiquette they’re basically a child.

        • VirtigoMommy@sh.itjust.works
          9·
          1 day ago

          Being the target of a delusional/ obsessive fixation is terrifying.

          If they’re motivated enough to reach out and ask me to remove my pictures, what will they do when I don’t? Will they be motivated enough to show up at my job? Or my house? It sounds silly until they call your mom and ask to speak to you on thanksgiving.

        • mojofrododojo@lemmy.worldEnglish
          5·
          1 day ago

          They’re exceptionally detached from reality, and the idea that they’d reach out with such a request shows a lack of forethought and self awareness that any sane person would find disturbing.

          The fact that you think it’s fine is gross, and shows an incredible lack of awareness / emotional maturity - ironically quite childish in it’s own way.

          • 🔍🦘🛎@lemmy.worldEnglish
            21·
            1 day ago

            I definitely never said it was fine… The sad fact is that anyone with any public-facing job gets hate messages and threats all the time. It’s insane, but you have to weigh a message like this against the baseline and make a judgement for yourself. In the majority of cases, blocking this person solves the issue.

            The worst thing to do is post about it publicly, because now they know they can contact you. Reach out to people you trust privately, and if you post publicly keep it vague/anonymized.

  • Bluedragon012@lemmy.world
    101·
    2 days ago

    I see we are now at the stage that the DEEPLY mentally ill are adopting new and “exciting” products. I remember when DEEPLY mentally ill would use MySpace to get thier fascinations, then face book to stalk the one girl that was nice to them in high school, then we had Twitter stalkers… So on so forth.

    The question is, do we let them continue?

      • RBWells@lemmy.world
        10·
        2 days ago

        That’s a pretty succinct description of AI. We are required to use Copilot at work (not kidding) and I always have to remind myself that AI use language the way demons do in Frieren - they don’t have intent or intelligence really but use it in an approximation of language. It never really means anything.

    • abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world
      6·
      2 days ago

      Remember Molly Ringwald’s stalker? Well in this case this person had an AI using this person’s faked voice pretend they were in a relationship. He wanted to tell her to break up with her partner and delete photos of herself so he could be the only one to see her. The AI told him to tell her this directly, and he did. Dude needs help.

    • TrackinDaKraken@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      2 days ago

      You’re not alone. I’m 60, I try to keep up, if only for entertainment’s sake, but stuff like this just goes right past me.

      • mig@lemmy.world
        12·
        2 days ago

        Alright, 40s here, I’ll try. I assume OP is some kind of social media figure with a following. “Ship” means having a parasocial or imaginary relationship with a public figure, like a kpop star. I think fandoms often “ship” imaginary charactors together, like 2 charactors who are not in love in the original material of an anime.

        So she’s saying break up with your girlfriend because I imagine us together. Take down your photos because I’m jealous your other fans will look.

        Then she’s talking about a parasocial relationship she has with an ai chatbot she has trained upon OP’s likeness and data. She’s saying her chatbot version of OP told her to go ahead and contact OP with these psycho demands.

        How did I do?

  • Aeder@lemmy.world
    16·
    2 days ago

    It looks like a really good trolling shitpost, or like the schizo ramblings of the kind of people who actually ship themselves with celebrities or send threats to authors once their “head-canons” get demolished.

  • Baggie@lemmy.zip
    95·
    3 days ago

    In deux ex invisible war there’s an ai hologram of a pop singer. You can talk with her a fair bit, she likes taking you you, etc etc. Then you eventually actually meet the pop singer and she has no idea who you are and actively dislikes interacting with you.

    It’s weird to see this play out in real time.

    • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
      7·
      2 days ago

      It brings to mind a couple ST: TNG episodes, too. Geordi had a similar experience when he had the computer generate some physicist to help him deal with some warp issue and then met the actual her (who was married and a lot less warm with him) later on.

      And Bartlett’s (was that his name?) introductionary episode, though his only has similar subject matter, as he wasn’t trying to bring the fantasy to reality but it came to light anyways when his addiction prompted an intervention that became awkward af.

        • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
          41·
          2 days ago

          Closer than I was, it was Liutenant Reginald Barclay.

          And the actor was Dwight Schultz, which at first I thought was a hallucination from the search assist but IMDB agrees.

          And when I asked if “the office character” was deliberately named after the actor, it informed me that no, Creed Bratton (played by actor Creed Bratton) wasn’t named after either the actor’s or character’s name. Then a follow up question informed me that the office character was Dwight Schrute, not Shultz, so that character probably also wasn’t named after him.

          Being bad with names can sometimes be more hilarious than it should be.

  • Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de
    591·
    2 days ago

    I think this is bait, no?

    It’s just such a perfect storm of terminology, that I can only see it as deliberate.

    • yumeship, so dream shipping, where shipping usually means to imagine a relationship in a text that might be subtextual, or even fully imagined.
    • uncomfy/gen, so the usually not very serious gen z term uncomfy for uncomfortable, but then paired with the tone indicator /gen for geniuine.
    • F/O, so fictional/other, a fictional character you ship yourself with, but here applied to a real person they are actively talking to (more “at” than “to”, I guess)
    • character ai, so the LLM that is configured to produce output similar to a character or person.

    But still, poor Willow, that seems like a very shitty thing to receive.

    • khepri@lemmy.world
      24·
      2 days ago

      This better not be real. Then again there was a girl in high school who was extremely into the idea that she was Trinity from the Matrix and I was her Neo. And I don’t mean in a cute way, I mean in a genuinely concerning blurring of reality and fiction way.

      • bss03English
        8·
        2 days ago

        genuinely concerning blurring of reality and fiction

        Mental illness, very much like what it pictured in the post.

        GenAI has already made this worse. It’s not essential to LLM technologies, virtually the whole industry makes their LLM’s generation patterns so deferential that they worsen the reality-breaks of people that interact with them enough, very much in a “Folie à deux”-style (tho, there’s no “deux” there).

      • Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works
        6·
        2 days ago

        There is no limit to the depths of insanity a human can dive into. Idk if this one is actually real or not, but im certain far crazier things have been unironically written by humans.

    • kawakeiko@sh.itjust.works
      10·
      2 days ago

      Wish it was just bait, but I was on the receiving end of similar messages from someone about 10 years ago. They would comment on my art page complimenting my art, and I always replied saying “thanks”, and we never interacted beyond that. We definitely never met IRL. One day I woke up to hundreds of DMs from him that sounded dellirious, that they would like to be my partner and that he had “deeply analyzed my art and he knows me for real”. Very unsettling and creepy stuff, spiraling into self-hate. There are some real troubled people out there, and now they have access to AI’s allucinations to feed their own, sadly.

    • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
      2·
      2 days ago

      The uncomfy/gen is the biggest giveaway to me, it’s just too perfectly weird/pathetic

    • Arola@sh.itjust.works
      45·
      2 days ago

      Thank you for the translations. My mind still boggles. Is it accurate to sum this up as…

      “Willow (human) received a thread of messages from their partner (human) who is dehumanising them by referring to them as a bot / claiming to be having a separate relationship with a bot that they created (based on Willows attributes) while intimating that Willow is also in a relationship with someone/something else?”

      • AnyOldName3@lemmy.world
        13·
        2 days ago

        No, it’s from a random stranger, not their partner, and the stranger feels that as they (stranger) are in a ‘relationship’ with bot-Willow, human-Willow is effectively cheating on them by having a human partner. Hence obviously nuts or bait.

          • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
            2·
            2 days ago

            The unfortunate fact is that those ARE real terms, I just don’t think any person would write that to someone genuinely, I’m pretty sure they’re making fun of the yumeship concept.

  • bitchkat@lemmy.worldEnglish
    43·
    2 days ago

    That’s it, I’m officially too old to know what “it” is. This is just gibberish and I can’t understand what they are even trying to say. I can’t even tell if the text is from a supposed human or Ai.

    • AVincentInSpace@pawb.socialEnglish
      15·
      2 days ago

      Allow me to assist.

      yumeship = yumejoshi (Japanese slang term for a girl who inserts herself into a fictional story) + ship (fandom term used to refer to two characters getting into a relationship) = the act of imagining a fictional version of oneself getting into a relationship with a character from a piece of media one enjoys

      uncomfy/gen = uncomfy (you can guess) + /gen (tone indicator that means the previous statement is genuine as opposed to joking or sarcastic)

      (by the way a tone indicator is a well-known sequence of letters appended to a text message to communicate the intended tone, like /s for sarcasm, /j for joking, /gen for genuine, etc., used to communicate through a text medium what would otherwise be conveyed through tone of voice. Traditionally they’re appended to the end of a message, not used in the middle of a sentence. I’ve never seen a tone tag applied to a specific word before. The author also seems to be using it as an intensifier, which… huh?)

      canon = (adjective, applied to a statement about a fictional world) confirmed in the text of a fictional work, or by the author of said work in e.g. an interview, as opposed to made up by fans (in this case, used rather disgustingly to refer to something that is true in real life as opposed to a fictional setting)

      F/O = Fictional Other = Fictional + Significant Other

      c.ai = character.ai = a website where users can converse with LLM chatbots that pretend to be fictional characters. Anyone can create and finetune such a chatbot (by starting with a blank slate character and interacting with it and telling it how it should act) then making it available for others to use, and a lot of users create chatbots that imitate real people. The website doesn’t really crack down on this.

      Essentially what the person who sent these messages has done, is gone to character.ai, looked up a chatbot that pretends to be a real Internet celebrity, convinced themself (I think?) that the real Internet celebrity was a fictional character (or at least could be thought of in those terms), talked to it until it told them that it was in love with them, concluded that the real person the chatbot was pretending to be was also in love with them, and confronted said real person with this information, expecting them to make the fictional relationship real. It’s a textbook parasocial relationship, except for the part where the non-celebrity wasn’t listening to things the celebrity was saying, they were listening to things a chatbot pretending to be the celebrity was saying.

      Rather than responding, the real internet celebrity who received the messages took a screenshot of them and made a post conveying their disgust that any of their fans felt entitled to act that way, and a screenshot of that post is what you’re seeing here.

      • BigPotato@lemmy.world
        3·
        2 days ago

        You know what they say, marry the lens, date the body! AI is just a personality, which is the “lens” we see the human though so therefore your human body is just a body and the MKII just came out, meat bag.

        So, that’s how the esteemed camera company fits into this.

    • Zeppo@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      140·
      3 days ago

      I looked up “yumeship” and just found more incomprehensible delusional niche culture bullshit

        • orioler25@lemmy.world
          8215·
          2 days ago

          “We.” Always a red flag when someone admits to participating in lolcow shit; buncha chuds bullying autistic kids online.

          Edit: hey, all you chuds who are getting mad about this comment, you’re not fooling anyone either, it’s just other chuds telling you that you’ve done enough. “Edgy” isn’t the same as bullying people to suicide because they’re weird, that isn’t normal teen behaviour, it comes from internalized values that you will still hold unless you actually address what you believe and why; just not bullying people online anymore isn’t the same thing as learning to be better.

          • Saledovil@sh.itjust.works
            4114·
            3 days ago

            The human brain doesn’t fully develop until the mid twenties, and empathy is one of the last things that fully develops. So the nihilistic online edge lord culture is one you can genuinely age out of.

            • LordMayor@piefed.socialEnglish
              263·
              3 days ago

              … empathy is one of the last things that fully develops.

              That’s not true at all. If you didn’t develop empathy in preschool and have fully developed sense of empathy by middle to high school, you had some serious developmental issues or were raised in a bad environment.

              That doesn’t mean middle and high school kids can’t be mean. That cruelty can’t be excused by undeveloped empathy. In fact, they most certainly know how the person feels and are intentionally making them feel bad.

                • LordMayor@piefed.socialEnglish
                  91·
                  3 days ago

                  And I’m saying it fully develops before adulthood. Usually, somewhere around 12 years old.

              • Seppo@sopuli.xyz
                15·
                2 days ago

                Those are not facts, but complete bullshit, and I think you know that. Unless you’re citing sociology of course where everything is facts if you feel like it is.

            • searabbit@piefed.socialEnglish
              101·
              3 days ago

              Both of those things are wrong. You should look up what the actual study on brain maturity concluded instead of regurgitating factoids online.

              • glimse@lemmy.world
                24·
                3 days ago

                The factoids might be wrong but the conclusion isn’t. Most edgelords age out it

                • orioler25@lemmy.world
                  31·
                  2 days ago

                  I honestly haven’t seen evidence of that, most of them certainly learn that the behaviour is looked down upon and may feel guilt over it, that isn’t the same thing as growing out of it. There’s a very large number of people whose morality is oriented around whether or not they’re caught, not honest, vulnerable interrogation of themselves and committing to change.

            • orioler25@lemmy.world
              83·
              3 days ago

              Its obvious when you guys are making excuses for yourselves and passing it off as some act of empathy or understanding. That’s also just false, btw, and I never wanted to hurt vulnerable people even when I was young.

            • whoisearth@lemmy.ca
              23·
              3 days ago

              I hear you but for me in my early 20s I was on IRC getting drunk and high trying to bang chicks. When did we lose the plot? Lol

          • St.Elsewhere@threads.net@sh.itjust.works
            337·
            3 days ago

            I think you underestimate how long the term has been around, and I’ve hidden nothing. I accept the shitty person I was. Have you confronted your deficiencies as a human being?

              • St.Elsewhere@threads.net@sh.itjust.works
                51·
                3 days ago

                I believe they took offense, leading them to act uncharacteristically. I firmly believe that they are a good person. Weighing someone unaccustomed to being in the middle of an argument, while they feel unsafe, certainly isn’t fair to them.

                And make no mistake, 9999 times out of 10000, they’d be right to take some amount of offense. Their chosen verbiage just triggered a landmine.

                But thank you, it’s kind of you to affirm that I’m not 200% dead puppies all the time!

                • orioler25@lemmy.world
                  14·
                  2 days ago

                  It’s completely in character for me to challenge fascists when I see them. You people seriously have to develop a more nuanced understanding of yourselves. Just because you know something is wrong without knowing why, doesnt mean you’ve stopped doing the wrong thing. Good people aren’t just people who are lucky enough to not make bad decisions, it’s about fostering the discipline and accountability to interrogate your actions and challenge their underlying harmful values; you clearly have not done that work.

            • orioler25@lemmy.world
              2822·
              3 days ago

              I know how long the term has been around bud, we haven’t even had this internet shit fifty years for fuck’s sake. If you accept the shitty person you “were,” why did you just produce a cruel estimation of some other person online just because you found their behaviour cringe again? This is the kind of “acceptance” people adopt when they feel guilt but don’t want to change. It’s also so telling to write off actual malice and cruelty in such a fundamental way as “well we all do had things.” No, I’ve never had the inclination to treat a vulnerable person badly, go figure.

              And lol, lmao, yes. Which is how I can see straight through this kind of bullshit.

              • St.Elsewhere@threads.net@sh.itjust.works
                222·
                3 days ago

                I want to congratulate you for having a normal upbringing, then. I’m not going to offer anything identifying, because I’m not an idiot, but I grew up surrounded by corpses and continued to develop elsewhere in a state of nihilism and rage bred by a family, myself included, in the throes of constantly triggered ptsd. You do not understand enough to judge an internet stranger by their arbitrary admissions. Your scope of understanding is limited by the offense you’ve taken and your frame of reference.

                And It’s not just “cringe.” It’s an extreme social trespass and transgression to, and follow me on this, tell someone to break up with their partner because of an llm’s estimation of your desires. Whether satire or not, this person fits within the fringe groups. I’d otherwise call them an incel, but they seem particularly unhinged. Which pejorative do you prefer for a person who parasocially adheres to someone and decides upon their future? This is like defending pedophiles under the umbrella of lgbtq.

                • orioler25@lemmy.world
                  214·
                  3 days ago

                  Bud, I am not the person to use some sob story to justify cruelty, I know it doesn’t. It may explain it, but you’re using that to rationalize it. The fact you once again just resorted to “you’re too sensitive,” as a fucking excuse for yourself it another good s indicator that no, you haven’t addressed the issue.

                  This also isn’t an incel…and it is so interesting that you took that opportunity to try and obscure and reduce the harm that incel culture causes to justify making fun of some cringe. I wonder why that’d be. The queer comment was also just straight up bigoted again, we all know that isn’t comparable and it’s once again telling that you think it is. Oh, is it worse to be weird than an actual fascist? Strange.

                  I see you dude, not because I’m a mind reader or whatever you wanna pretend, but because you’re saying things that reveal fundamental values and it’s obvious you didn’t realize that.

                • orioler25@lemmy.world
                  21·
                  2 days ago

                  Bud, just because it sometimes happens to bad people, doesn’t mean it is not wrong to reproduce cultural norms that target vulnerable groups of people. “Lolcow” was used to refer to autistic people online pretty much exclusively, and the cruel culture behind it has literally resulted in multiple suicides of completely innocent if unpalletable people. This commenter went on to say actual fascist shit to defend this, and that isn’t a coincidence.

                  You can tell the demos of this site based on shit like this. Yeah, I’m sure a bunch of you were edgy teen boys and you want to pretend that was okay (or even natural) because you were kids and “didnt know better,” but subscribing to bigotry as an adult clearly shows that you don’t understand why it was wrong, just that it was wrong.

          • Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
            2·
            2 days ago

            There’s a stark difference between accountability and what you’re doing, which is insisting that no one ever gets to improve their behaviour or learn from their mistakes. That doesn’t make a better world, it makes the worst possible one.

            If people can only ever be as good as the worst thing they’ve done, then why should anyone ever aspire to be anything better than the worst possible version of themselves?

            • orioler25@lemmy.world
              22·
              2 days ago

              I think you should go tell a therapist that your reading of “you have to work at being vulnerable to change, and superficial improvement isn’t enough” was “nobody can change.”

        • Zeppo@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          9·
          2 days ago

          the problem with those definitions is that most people don’t even know what “shipping” is.

        • Noxy@pawb.socialEnglish
          83·
          2 days ago

          we would have described this individual with the pejorative “lolcow” and spent uncomfortable amounts of time making fun of, and encouraging them.

          Way to admit to being part of some of the absolute worst parts of the internet and humanity itself.

          How many people did you dox? How many comments did you leave on peoples’ dox?

          Do you have any fucking idea how much pointless suffering the whole “lolcow” trash had caused? Up to and including actual suicides?

          Fuck you and fuck everyone associated with that kiwifarms life ruining trash.

          • St.Elsewhere@threads.net@sh.itjust.works
            62·
            2 days ago

            I don’t think kiwifarms even existed when I was using the term.

            Launched February 4, 2013; 13 years ago

            Yeah, my use of the term predated it by a decade. 0 doxing, for the record.

            And no, I wasn’t aware. I’m pretty apparently using a term antiquatedly

          • orioler25@lemmy.world
            11·
            2 days ago

            Read down my thread, this dickbag went on to say that cringeshippers are the same as incels and that the problem with “lolcow” is that it’s a mean word, not that it’s fucking bigoted with a violent history. Also a lot of gaslighty “I’ll take the higher ground,” bullshit without even acknowledging how fucking fascist that is.

            • St.Elsewhere@threads.net@sh.itjust.works
              3·
              2 days ago

              this dickbag went on to say that cringeshippers are the same as incels

              I said this cringeshipper behaves like an incel. And I continued by telling you that you do not understand what an incel is in the same way that I did not understand the harm in my words.

              and that the problem with “lolcow” is that it’s a mean word, not that it’s fucking bigoted with a violent history.

              Not what I said in the least.

              Also a lot of gaslighty “I’ll take the higher ground,” bullshit without even acknowledging how fucking fascist that is.

              I was preventing people from flaming you by contextualizing your feelings in a way that would allow them to exit the conversation. Which I do not regret, considering the horrendous trash I just read from you.

              Your deradicalization attempts seem actively antithetical to your goal, considering I’ve now seen you attempting to start flame wars with like 6 separate people who did not grow up in the state of privilege necessary to sustain your Abelardian moral complex.

              I acknowledged my shittyness and you responded with smugness and wandered off. I saw you tell some guy that he is the sum of all of his moral failures- that they have no hope of redemption because they were a cruel teenager. What the fuck is wrong with you? That’s some incredibly harsh, unabashedly destructive and dishonest conversation that most people would not tolerate, let alone improve from.

              You speak like a human being untouched by light and I say this with the utmost concern for you and the people you’re speaking to, you need to touch grass and talk to actual people before you can even consider deradicalizing anyone. My fucking word.

              • orioler25@lemmy.world
                12·
                2 days ago

                Dude would you shut the fuck up about privilege? I know for an absolute fact that not being privileged doesn’t make you any more likely to be cruel or any less able to fucking learn the actual morality behind your actions.

                I did not fucking say anything close to that. I’ve told people like you, fuckin men, that they actually have to work at addressing why they did something bad and actually change their values, not just fucking say that it was bad and they don’t do bad things now and think that’s the end of it. That so many of you have read this as “there’s no hope for change,” is exactly my fucking point, and it isn’t for you dickheads it’s for the dozens of other people I’ve seen come across this thread. You have any idea how much harm men like you cause? Shut the fuck up about having a hard life and how sorry you are just fucking do the values if you’ve addressed them so effectively.

                You didn’t today, and you don’t get to decide when other people should be fine with your behaviour, which is another reason you have to take accountability for it, not just guilt. I’m also correctly picking out these abuser flags, whether you like it or not. You said some bigoted shit and then followed that up by openly admitting that you don’t think incels are really all that bad, only just as bad as this weirdy this post is about; its a fucking genocidal cult that has successfully propagated a distinct form of scotastic terrorism and is responsible for hundreds of mass murders.

                Shut the absolute fuck up dude, you are a piece of shit, not for the shit from your past, but because of your refusal to address the way you understand things today. If you really got it, understood what you did wrong, you’d have made it clear above that you seriously devalued women and disabled people today, but you didn’t, did you? No, you just tried to act like you were a more level headed and moral person already. When that didn’t work and you didn’t like how I was telling other people about you, you send this shit like you’re doing something. Go look up what abusers do after gaslighting fails.

                I’m being serious when I say I see you dude, you’re not a complicated person, and I know that sucks because you really thought that made your actions more justifiable, didn’t it?

                Edit: a very fun read indeed: https://www.domesticshelters.org/articles/lists/18-things-abusers-do-when-they-re-gaslighting

                • St.Elsewhere@threads.net@sh.itjust.works
                  3·
                  2 days ago

                  Dude would you shut the fuck up about privilege? I know for an absolute fact that not being privileged doesn’t make you any more likely to be cruel or any less able to fucking learn the actual morality behind your actions.

                  You genuinely know and understand none of what I was communicating if this is your takeaway. You lack any degree of necessary context about the world to speak on the topics you pretend to understand.

                  I did not fucking say anything close to that. I’ve told people like you, fuckin men, that they actually have to work at addressing why they did something bad and actually change their values, not just fucking say that it was bad and they don’t do bad things now and think that’s the end of it. That so many of you have read this as “there’s no hope for change,” is exactly my fucking point, and it isn’t for you dickheads it’s for the dozens of other people I’ve seen come across this thread. You have any idea how much harm men like you cause? Shut the fuck up about having a hard life and how sorry you are just fucking do the values if you’ve addressed them so effectively.

                  Not a man, by the way. I never cared to correct your assumption because it wasn’t relevant and you seemed to be having fun saying it. Morality is based in, and relies on having role models capable of offering this information. You conflate improvement with perfection. You literally know nothing about social development and your ability to grasp that is nonexistent. Do. better.

                  You didn’t today, and you don’t get to decide when other people should be fine with your behaviour, which is another reason you have to take accountability for it, not just guilt. I’m also correctly picking out these abuser flags, whether you like it or not. You said some bigoted shit and then followed that up by openly admitting that you don’t think incels are really all that bad, only just as bad as this weirdy this post is about; its a fucking genocidal cult that has successfully propagated a distinct form of scotastic terrorism and is responsible for hundreds of mass murders.

                  I never said that what I did was okay, and I’m not interested in your acceptance, I’m interested in that of the disadvantaged people I work and live with. You make assumptions like an old republican watching an immigrant laboring in public. And once again, you don’t understand what an incel is. You’re describing someone who partakes of incel culture. There are no good people in incel culture. You can do nothing but conflate and misunderstand because your cursory understanding is worthless, which is why I tried to have you ask questions instead of shouting at me like an idiot about a topic you know too little about.

                  Shut the absolute fuck up dude, you are a piece of shit, not for the shit from your past, but because of your refusal to address the way you understand things today. I’d you really got it, you’d have made it clear above that you seriously devalued women and disabled people today, but you didn’t, did you? No, you just tried to act like you were a more level headed and moral person already.

                  I covered this already, but you conflate improvement with perfection. Which is something that you need to work on.

                  Your adrenaline ran incredibly high and you physically cannot comprehend what I have been saying to you if half of this is your takeaway. Between that and the open, festering trauma wounds, there is tremendous work to be done because this early 20s speaking at people in a stress fueled stroke risk state isn’t serving you. Were I actually interested in harming you or anyone else, I would simply continue speaking to you to induce your premature death via brain bleed. You are actively killing yourself, you beautiful idiot. Don’t give me or anyone else that.

    • betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world
      801·
      3 days ago

      Weirdo likes to imagine that they have a relationship with the person who originally posted the screenshot with the messages. They’re asking the real person to engage in their fantasy by breaking up with another (probably) real person because weirdo’s chatbot of them said they would.

      F/O in this case is fictional other, a play on S/O for significant other. Yumeship is a dumb word for jerking/schlicking fantasy stuff.

      • Lumidaub@feddit.org
        211·
        3 days ago

        Addendum: “yume” is Japanese for “dream”. They dream of being in a (relation)ship with the other person.

        We used to call that “self-ship”, I’m pretty sure (“I ship myself with xyz”) but maybe the difference is that this is not about a character but a real person? Which would make it real person shipping which I think most people agree is a dubious pastime. Did I just argue myself into saying having a crush is problematic? I need sleep.

        • DokPsy@lemmy.world
          21·
          3 days ago

          It stops being a crush when you actually tell the crush to break up with someone because it ruins the fantasy you’ve created with them para-socially.

        • zqps@sh.itjust.works
          4·
          3 days ago

          Shipping goes far further than having a crush, it’s acting out the fantasy of being in a relationship with them. Or a fictionalized version of them usually. That’s fine if the character is already fictional, but really creepy and invasive in regards to a real person.

          • Natanael@slrpnk.net
            11·
            3 days ago

            The problem with defending bullying these people is that bullies simply don’t care what’s justified. You need to fix culture. People don’t get the social purpose of shame, TLDR social accountability.

          • dracc@discuss.tchncs.de
            161·
            3 days ago

            Not a pleasant experience but some people seem immune to learning if there’s no shaming to be had.

          • Comrade_Spood@quokk.auEnglish
            71·
            3 days ago

            People don’t end up developing parasocial relationships with people online like this cause they got too much love from their parents and have too many friends. Bullying would reinforce the behavior because they will seek ways to cope.

        • eremophila@lemmy.zip
          12·
          3 days ago

          the posts seems like ai posting about ai attacking ai and ai getting offended, then ai are treating this like someone involved is a real person in the fuckai lemmy comments.