Virtually every QB in the NFL is deviating from their career norms this season. Studs like Allen, Mahomes, Burrow (playing better recently) Lawrence, Hurts, Watson, etc all seem to be turning the ball over more. What do you think is causing this? Just more Defensive adjustments?
- Defenses are smarter, better, and faster.
- Lack of good QBs. A lot/most of the mid-to-late 2010s QBs haven’t turned out well. There was arguably a golden age in the early 2000s of QBs and we’re actively feeling “return to normal” part.
- Similar/tangential to the above, lack of good OCs/offensive minds and/or people to execute it.
- There’s an arms race in the trenches. There are not a ton of humans that have the frame that supports being a lineman, let alone everything else. The better athletes gravitate towards the flashy/paid roles aka D-Lineman. This leaves the “scraps” to be O-Lineman.
Beyond the above that I feel are pretty easy to verify by a cursory look at year-in-year-out stats, I do think there isn’t a great evaluation of collegiate talent nowadays also and hasn’t been for a decade or so. I mostly think it’s a function of social media or 24hr news cycle or whatever you want to call it to where if a scout, director, GM, or owner wants to fall in love with a decent prospect that also represents a need, it’s extremely easy with the amount of highlight reels that’re available for any number of people. Tying it back to the Bears, Justin Fields had cameras following him since he was in high school.
Defenses around the league have adjusted schemes to shut down the pass heavy offenses of the league
If you ask the Fields Truther’s it’s coaching
It is all CM Punk’s fault. He has been a troublemaker wherever he goes. Once the NFL fires him everything will be great.
I am just gonna latch on this thread to talk about MNF. If Josh Allen was the Bears QB, would this fanbase consider him a franchise QB?
Absolutely lol
Based on his first 2 years in the league you would probably be trying to run him out of town lol. There’s nothing that the bears have shown to say they can develop a QB and Allen’s turnovers have picked up since Daboll left also.
First pick was a drop, not at all his fault, second pick along the sideline Fields would never hear the end of lol. But Allen has built up more credibility so the perspective understandably reflects that
The fact that you’re asking makes it seem like you think the answer isn’t obvious an I’m really intrigued as to why.
he obviously is a franchise QB but he is very mistake prone. its Favre like. Based off some comments on this board, some people expect almost perfect QB play from a franchise QB. I feel like there would be a vocal minority that would not like Allen in this fanbase. its a roller coaster ride.
We’ve never had a QB come anywhere close to Allen’s level of performance, so I guess we’ll see how popular that is if we ever get there.
Josh Allen has won more playoff games in his career than the bears have won since 1995. He’d be a god in Chicago
Josh Allen would be the starting QB on 30 of 31 other teams.
He would not start in KC, Philly, Miami, Cinci, at the least. Probably also not Houston or Dallas or SF. He’s neck and neck with guys like Goff and Herbert. Allen’s a turnover machine and habitual bad decision maker. In this QB space he’s a little better than Cutty and a little worse than Favre.
Now he of course is still a great talent, but he’s become extremely overrated. He’s most certainly not the second best QB in the league.
He’s a flopping bitch. That shit is inexcusable.
Are you unironically claiming that Purdy would start over Josh Allen?
The pendulum is swinging. Defenses will always find a way to eventually stop the offense du jour. it taken a few years, but it appears it’s happening this season
Allen is doing what he always does, no? Lots of TD and INT. Burrow was coming off injury. Mahomes has Nagy. Lawrence has always been overrated. Hurts wasn’t a big thrower even last season. Watson has…a lot on his mind.
Yeah, all of these are explainable. Not even Nagy; Mahomes now has basically 1 receiver and its kelce. They have no one to go get explosive plays. When has Lawrence ever been great? Allen is a gambler and will have some big and not big years. He also has 7 rushing touchdowns so far this year so citing his throwing td number only seems odd. Hurts is just throwing the ball more - 4 times more per game and most of his other numbers but for INTs are aligned with last year.
Its been much worse for Allen, he had 14 picks in 17 games last year, already 11 in 10 this year
I agree I believe fields is better than Lawrence the number show it. Lawrence is has a proven coach that why he wins moss games but definitely overrated.
Development leagues prioritized D line over O line for their most talented big men for a while now.
I believe Clean pocket time is down a decent amount, couple other indices as well.
I think it’s going to need rule changes, or rule enforcement changes to reverse the trend.
Time will tell.
Fuck that defenses need to eat too
Yes. We actually need to go the other way. In terms of rules it is terribly unfair to the defense
An all-time low of WR talent across the league.
lack of 2 a days. All of the big name QBs of the last generation were able to get 2 a days in during a longer preseason. Now that all save Rodgers are retired we’re seeing the true affect of the lack of extra practice by the QBs. This poorer level of play will continue until either the NFL gives up the extra game for more preseason or allows 2 a days back.
Banned by the NCAA too. The product of reducing contact injuries. I wonder if they can still have no contact practice and then contact practice.
The leagues all run on ratings. As long as people watch the league will adjust.
The front 7 of most defenses have just become such athletic freaks that it’s hard for the OL to keep up.
You have DL and edge rushers that are as fast as secondary defenders. It’s so hard for the traditional OL guys to keep up and TEs are getting rag dolled.
The pendulum swinging back will be RBs that are LB sized for pass protection and TEs that are the size of Darnell Washington that essentially gives you an extra LT or RT on the line
Unreported injuries.
Fidget spinner era aged kids have entered the nfl
The top quarterbacks are garnering huge contracts and teams are paying for it with less depth at WR and OL. Virtually all of the QBs you mentioned in original post are recent contract extensions.
Damn. Good theory. That might be it.
Yeah, I think this is a huge factor as well.
Fields meanwhile has been arrow up tho some on this sub wont acknowledge it 💁🏼♂️
He’s had a couple good games heavily inflating his stats, but has looked like a backup or bottom tier starter most of the year.
tho some on this sub wont acknowledge it 💁🏼♂️
Been a great QB in last 17 games. Over 100 rating and 35 TDs
People here don’t realize (because I don’t think they actually pay attention to other games) Is that even the best quarterbacks have games or like first or second halves where they don’t put up huge numbers. If fields has even 1 quarter where he doesn’t play great how far fanbase is so critical it’s absurd