Just a reminder to the people saying to get MHJ and figure out the qb situation later just how little an all time great, if not the greatest wide receiver ever, has on winning if you don’t have a decent quarterback. As great as MHJ might be the return he offers isn’t even a fraction to as much as if Maye or Caleb end up being great or even just good. The potential return on investment is just too much to pass up with a qb draft this highly touted.
If the Bears have a top 2 pick they aren’t even going to consider MHJ, the only chance is if the Panthers drop to 3 or later where you consider him and then a qb later with our pick.
This is ignoring risks and uncertainty. Over 50% of first round picks are total busts. QBs are notoriously hard to project. However someone with the physical capabilities of MHJ are far more guaranteed
If we get MHJ and we suck then we can suck until we draft ARCH “Nemesis” MANNING.
Nah Bears fans would pass on him too. We aren’t allowed to have a good QB because fans don’t want one.
No guarantee that the new QB is better so its better not to take the chance.
-Bears fan
My bigger issue is who will get him and Moore the ball enough to keep both happy? People be acting like Fields is going to transform into some distributor of the ball all of the sudden when he can hardly consistently target Moore at this point.
Just a reminder the Lions were so bad for so long they stole Barry Sanders Morale and love for the game. Which in turn cost the NFL the true rushing champion that followed Sweetness, and not Smith.
So your telling me, I get Marvin Harrison Jr, another top pick this year, AND the #1 next year?
Where do I sign?
If MHJ ends up being megaton or Julio Jones level of productive we would look like absolute clowns for passing on him
You are talking about his second year in the NFL and he had over 1300 yards and lead the league in TDs
This sub never disappoints. If the bears are picking at 1 of course they won’t pick a WR there, they either take a QB or roll with Fields and trade back. Calling out a top 5-10 WR of all time because he was on a historically bad team is cherry picking info to make a statement not with muttering is dumb. What’s next, Joe Thomas didn’t do enough to elevate the Browns during his career. I think everyone with a brain understands that you can’t consistently compete for championships without a QB, the problem is the jury is still out with Fields, as well as the college kids. The front office will evaluate all variables after the season, and make a decision based on those evaluations. Why state the same dumb shit everyday worded a little different?
Fields 1 more year with one of the best WR duos in the league. Even if he doesn’t drastically improve and we are forced to move on, we could sign an average NFL QB and put together a competitive team
I’d like a winning team that can win superbowls not a competing team that loses every year like you want. I hope Poles isn’t an idiot like you all are.
Orlovsky was the QB. Even if you don’t like Fields, we can all admit he’s better than Orlovsky. Bears D is light years better than that Lions D too.
No, we really can’t. Fields doesn’t win games. I’d not rate him above anyone at this point. He’s a loser.
Given the fact he’s won games without any WR, I’d say that puts him ahead of Orlovsky
Well, according to most Bears fans, he must suck… because how many wins did he get?
I’ll take the third door. I think we should continue to build in the trenches. Linemen, especially offensive linemen, have an incredible ROI and while you are building that out you won’t have to pay any flashy talent and will still finish poorly to get draft picks.
We have a good line with Jones, Jenkins, Davis, and Wright. Just need a center and we probably have one of the better lines in the league. Need a new QB to help the whole offense.
Yea but if MHJ is anywhere close to Calvin Johnson then we’ll take our chances. Your talking about arguably the best WR in history of the game.
Your talking about arguably the best WR in history of the game.
Jerry Rice would like a word.
He said arguably. Johnson also shortened his career.
Calvin retired because he just had accumulated so many injuries to his knees, and he would continuously play through them.
Anyone who watched the lions then knew he was a different bread, even in triple coverage man would smoke them.
Yeah, but no one knows. It seems like a sure thing that MHJ will be an elite WR in the NFL, but no one truly knows. And unless Fields shows out the rest of the year, the Bears have to take a shot at a QB with a top pick.
You could say the exact same thing about any of the QBs at the top of the draft. The difference is that if we got MHJ it would likely come after we traded down in the draft which would also come with a huge haul of other assets. Having Williams or Maye on the team might be better than having fields and MHJ in a vacuum, but I really don’t think it would be better than having Fields, MHJ, likely a proven star player acquired in the trade, and whatever other picks we receive in the trade.
If the Bears make that decision, then I’ll be okay with it. But unless Fields shows more with the remaining games, they will be taking a QB. And if we hit on that QB, it could drastically turn this team around. It’s always a gamble, but the Bears haven’t taken many chances on a QB over the years. It’s why there’s always a question about the Bears QB. And right now, I just don’t see Fields taking us on a deep playoff run anytime soon. And if they trade back while getting MHJ, they will still need some luck hitting on the other picks. I’m not sold on any of the QBs coming out, but it feels like we need to take a shot on one.
The WRs taken inside the top 5 in the last 15 years were,
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Chase
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Davis
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Cooper
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Watkins
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Blackmon
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Green
Every one of them were thought to be long term elite WRs. So many other top 5 picks thought to be generational talents ended up being busts.
Most draft picks despite how good they were in college are not game changers.
The only reason to not take a chance on a QB is Fields is it.
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Chances are MHJ lives up to his promise more than the QBs.
That’s the risk. But a legit GOAT-tier WR is not more valuable than even a top 10ish QB like a Justin Herbert or Lawrence or Kirk Cousins (How did the Vikes do after the best WR in the game went down this year?). If you could project Maye or Caleb ends up as good as one of those guys, you take one of them over MHJ, especially since we already have a young WR1 locked up.
Agreed. I’m just noting the chance of QBs being busts is going to be higher.
Which is why it’s infuriating that we haven’t until very recently made an effort to draft them early and consistently. Can’t win if you don’t play.
Who won nothing because the team he played on didn’t have a quarterback.
You see where this is going?
Megatron is a top 5 WR all time but he ain’t top 3
Calvin Johnson is definitely not the greatest WR of all time. I don’t think he’s top 10.
I’d put him top 10, but I don’t see how a person could compare him with Rice.
If Megatron gets to use stickum like Jerry did then I’m taking every day of the week
lol not top 10 my brother in Payton come on
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_WR.htm
Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Larry Fitzgerald, Cris Carter, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Steve Smith Sr, Julio Jones, Antonio Brown all have better resumes.
Emmitt Smith has a better resume than almost every RB that doesn’t make him the best RB. Calvin retired young because he understands life is more than football.
I’d take him over everyone on that list but Rice and Moss, and including names like Carter, Smith, Wayne and Harrison is insulting.
You think it’s just a coincidence two of those players played their whole career with Manning?
And calvin johnson had stafford who feeds the hell out of his wr1, plumping up cj’s volume stats that are still leagues behind everyone else’s.
CJ retiring early doesn’t make him better. If mahomes retired early he’d still be behind brady, even if he arguably had a higher peak. And if you really want to extrapolate to what he could have done had he stayed, then there’s a case to be made that justin Jefferson is better than CJ was because he is already ahead of where CJ was at this point in his career.
Having megatron as your #3 is like having sean mcvay as your third best coach of all time or kurt warner as your third best qb.
Emmit smith is better than barry sanders too.
lol k dude
The mods are asleep. Every damn thread is a version of this bullshit.
Who cares? It’s a platform designed to discuss the fucking team. There’s like a quarter million subscribers. There’s nothing wrong with talking about it all the time.
So Justin fields is out of the question for you? Cuz he’s got the same stats as cam Newton in the beginning of their careers… I’m just saying… coaching and gm is shit, fields is a much better player then that fucking 0 -16 lions team.
Rookie contracts for Johnson, Suh, and Stafford were vastly different than what they would have gotten today. I think Stafford’s first contract was $72M? I think the current 1st overall picks get around $40M. And the total salary cap compared to now is so different that the $72M took up a bigger percentage of the total cap than any 1st overall pick would today. The Lions had that like 3 seasons in a row before the rookie salaries changed. I think something like 25-30% of the total cap went to those 3 players.