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I wasn’t aware other countries played 5 clicks to Hitler as well.
Not sure where you’re at but I do this frequently. Also do an IMDb pick an actor and a movie and see how quickly you can get that movie by navigating cast lists and credits I.e Will Smith > Ad Astra
Will Smith > Men in Black > Tommy Lee Jones > Ad Astra. That’s a simple one, but you get the idea.
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Germany. And to be honest, it might be easier over here.
EDIT: She’s a holocaust denier, which I didn’t know. Guess she is a nazi after all!
Here’s the link (from Political views of J. K. Rowling):
She is very much a TERF, an acephobe, kinda racist (just look at her character names), and therefore quite a horrible person;
but, while it wouldn’t surprise me if she was, she is not a nazi.She is however a holocaust denier
Source?
I have seen zero credible sources for this specific claim of Holocaust denial. The closest I’ve found is that she argued that trans people weren’t the first group targeted by the Nazis. (Not denying that they were targeted. Just disputing that they were first.) That’s not the same as “Holocaust denial.”
I already know she’s a bad person who uses her celebrity to spread hate and spends her time and money trying to further oppress some of the most marginalized people in the world. We can dislike her for those very real reasons without spreading false stories about her.
She didn’t argue that trans people weren’t the first group targeted, she argured that trans people weren’t targeted at all/it doesn’t matter that they were (however you want to read into the tweet linked in the article).
https://forward.com/culture/592580/j-k-rowling-holocaust-denial-trans/
jk rowling is definitely the type of person who will argue the holocaust didn’t exist with george takei, who was literally in concentration camps during ww2.
I’m not following the logic here. I mean, he was in American concentration camps - not sure how that’s relevant to claims about what the Nazis did. I know he’s right, but it’s not like he was there or anything.
Okay but, let’s be fair, not knowing the Nazis burned books on trans healthcare and research is not the same as denying the holocaust.
I’m not saying she hasn’t denied the holocaust. I’m just saying this isn’t an example of that.
Shes denying part of the holocaust. Whether that be from ignorance or otherwise idk and idc. Denying part of the holocaust is definitionally holocaust denial. Thats litterally the defining trait of the word
Denying part of the holocaust is definitionally holocaust denial.
It really isn’t “definitionally” Holocaust denial. “Holocaust denial” as a linguist concept as understood by most people has nothing at all to do with denying the burning of trans literature.
“Deniers assert that the Holocaust is a fabrication or exaggeration,[3][4][5]making one or more of the following false claims:”
and then an incomplete list of holocaust denialist claims. Thats from your own link
J K Rowling is claiming the holocaust is exaggereted in them tweets, therefore: denying part of the holocaust as defined by the above.
and holocaust denial is an academic term with a pretty precise definition, as much as it is a colloqial one.
There’s also a difference between not knowing something and implying that something is a lie (and sending that implication out to her millions of Twitter followers).
Oh absolutely, I agree 100%. All I’m saying is that this wasn’t an example of holocaust denial. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t ignorant and shitty.
Ah, I didn’t know that. Thanks!
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What are you doing on blahaj zone, mate? That’s the trans instance. She denied the genocide of trans people during the holocaust. She denied the book burnings of the research by the institute of sex and gender research.
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I read your article, and I found this:
claims that trans people were ‘the first targets’ of the Nazis – a claim I refuted on X, and which led to these accusations
- JK “Just Kidding” Rowling
But that’s a lie. Because she wasn’t accused for saying that. She was accused for saying this:
Rowling had to lie about what she said, because she knows that what she said is incorrect and also holocaust denial.
She has gone on to tell the same lie about why she’s being attacked multiple times, despite having been fact checked on it and arguing back against the fact checking. Because she’s a lying bigot.
And it’s not surprising that Jewish News UK printed these lies excusing holocaust denial, because they’re lying fascists. They have a track record of supporting Israel’s genocide. They like genocide, they’re fascists who print lies!
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The Wikipedia also says
the term Holocaust is sometimes used to include the murder and persecution of non-Jewish groups, such as the Romani and Soviet POWs.
And I disagree, because it’s not sometimes. It’s most of the time.
Encyclopedia Brittanica: Holocaust, the systematic state-sponsored killing of six million Jewish men, women, and children and millions of others by Nazi Germany
History.com: The Holocaust was the state-sponsored persecution and mass murder of millions of European Jews, Romani people, the intellectually disabled, political dissidents and homosexuals by the German Nazi
See, I think it’s really irresponsible to do as Rowling does and make the Holocaust solely about Jewish people and not the other groups.
First, the etymological argument. Holocaust means whole-burning. Not Jew-burning. It’s not called the Loudaicaust, is it? Indeed, according to Wikipedia, people used to say “The Jewish holocaust” up until special importance was assigned to the Jewish persecution and people began to conflate the two.
Second and more importantly, the ethical argument. When we assign special importance to the persecution of Jewish people, we forget the historical oppression of other groups. Which is exactly what Hitler, Rowling, and Netanyahu want us to forget. All three are aligned as fascists who want to tear down history and forget the suffering of those they deem subhuman. Anti-semitism does not exist in a vacuum. It always operates as part of a broader ideology we call fascism. The ideology of all three of these people. The Holocaust is what the fascists did. They did it to many different people. Never forget.
And finally, you moved the goalposts. When you cited Jewish News UK, your position was that she didn’t deny the persecution of trans people, because that’s what Jewish News said. You’ve already lost the argument, and now you’re trying to save face for Rowling by quibbling over technicalities.
On your last paragraph, I know. Rowling is a Nat-Z as well. That’s why I found it extremely unlikely that she’s a Holocaust denier
What do you mean by this? Aren’t most Nazis denying the Holocaust?
and why I used a Jewish supremacist source as they would never let that slide.
I’d argue the opposite. Supremacists of any kind don’t care about facts and only care about “their side”
So what term do we use for the non-jews that were rounded up and sent to the same concentration camps and murdered?
Rowling has been on a rampant lawfare against organizations and individuals that call her on her bullshit, that’s why there are many cases of people having to apologize to her publicly.
Also why are you linking to a Zionist tabloid?
But transphobia and nazism are different things
Also, wouldnt holocaust denial be when you deny that the holocaust existed (to say that the nazis werent that bad), not when you deny that a certain group was targeted?
Acephobe??? I was unaware. Good to know I’m hated double.
I don’t see anything about holocaust denial in your link. There’s a 2018 article discussing parallels between her work and the real holocaust but it doesn’t claim she’s a denier. I don’t really care for Rowling but I also don’t like misinformation. If there is some evidence can you please share it?
She thinks that transgender people were not persecuted during the Holocaust.
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2024/03/jk-rowling-denies-transgender-persecution-during-the-holocaust/
Imagine being so blinded by bigotry that you think that transgender people, of all the fucking groups, were the one group that nazis were totally cool with.
I think she just doesn’t believe trans identity is a real thing and that it wasn’t yet “invented” in the 1930s.
Not knowing what the fuck they’re talking about is kind of a staple of transphobes.In her defense for some reason there just aren’t many records of us in 1940s Germany /s
In case anyone’s unaware, that famous photo of nazis burning books, yeah those are records of trans people among other texts on queer sexology
For the uninitiated:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_für_SexualwissenschaftIt’s an interesting read.
Thanks for the source although I think that’s quite specific. It seems mostly about her being ignorant and doubling down on her war against trans people rather than a blanket denial of the holocaust which the term “holocaust denier” conjures
Your article frames it this way:
While Rowling has not denied the Holocaust itself happened, she is accused of engaging in a form of Holocaust denial for questioning the persecution of trans people under the Nazi regime, a fact which has been well documented
I’m not denying she’s a cunt but I think it’s important to be precise with these sorts of allegations.
I think that’s a pretty accurate assessment. I personally haven’t seen any evidence that she’s anti-Semitic and that is the center of Holocaust denialism. I don’t think her claims aren’t driven by conspiracy theories. She just has a million Yes Men who encourage her anti-trans positions and it just feels right to her
Would you say someone that says the holocaust did happen but only 1000 Jews were killed is not a holocaust denier?
What I am saying is that based on this twitter spat I would not call her a holocaust denier. You are free to make your own judgment.
See @Estiar@sh.itjust.works’s comment
Honestly, calling everyone a nazi just feeds into the right’s narrative of “oh they call everyone a nazi, ignore them”.
I’m not defending anyone, especially not J.K. Rowling, but this isn’t helping our cause, quite the contrary actually.
It’s a bit like Kleenex and velcro. They lose there trademark the more people that get groups with Naziism. Unfortunately no one is protecting the nazi brand.
Oh that’s how they found nazism! I spent 60 seconds searching for nazism in the page but i didn’t find it so i just stopped
Wow, I didn’t know about either, Wikipedia speedruns or JKR’s Holocaust denialism. Thanks, OP.
I get the joke, but You can get from anything to Hitler 4 clicks. Every article has a country > history > WW2 > Hitler.
Nah, that’s irrelevant. OP didn’t get to Naziism via some broad category like that, they got there directly through JKR
But not 3 clicks.
Anything (Jay Z song) > Jay Z > Kanye West > Nazism
Lmao I thought you were guessing/joking until I checked
Anything (The Damned album) → Denmark → Nazism is even faster due to Danish Studio
Haha awesome
You got me. Although I’m not sure if this counts as an article.
Oh now do Morrissey
This is a dope game
Harry Potter → Voldemort would be a lot faster tbh
Easy mode.
