So, I don’t have a horse in the race. Eberflus and the rest of the staff have to go, and his comments after the game were not great. Fields is a guy the team can compete with and I don’t think the team needs to draft a QB. He’s on thin ice, but he’s not “awful” yet.
With that being said, DJ Moore, one of the best receivers in the game and arguably the best YAC receiver in the league, was open. When I say open, I don’t mean NFL “open,” I mean that this man had 5 yards of space in every direction “open.”
I submit the following video linked here at the timestamp for the play itself.
I also would like to provide a few screenshots. Here is the first, where Fields still has the ball. In this screen grab, we see he isn’t even looking DJ’s way, even though DJ is literally just a small shift of vision away from the route Fields was focusing on.
This second screenshot shows Fields as he released the ball. As we can see, DJ appears to be pretty open, but the decision to unleash the dragon had already been made. There is no way in hell that Fields actually went through his progression. He never looked at DJ.
Finally, I present this screenshot, which shows just how open DJ actually was. This is the damning shot, in my opinion. This is after the throw, while the camera is panning to the deep receiver, hence the blurred image. This shows DJ with 5 yards of space between him and the only defender who could make a play.
All Fields had to do was hit DJ in stride at the “3” in 30, which was about 15 yards (based on where Fields dropped to) in distance. That 3 is 13-14 yards from the sideline, too, so there was tons of running room for DJ to gain the 5 yards he’d need to secure the 1st down.
Fields overthrew Scott. People keep clamoring about how it was a “perfect” ball. It wasn’t. He overthrew it. He also threw it into double coverage of sorts. Scott beat his primary defender, but the safety absolutely was right there. I don’t know what anyone wants or expects Scott to be able to do here. There is maybe the slightest of stutter steps, potentially, but I see a guy extending himself as much as he can to make the play, but coming up short because the ball was thrown too far. And really, how often do receivers make the catch when outstretched as far as they can be? We just saw a receiver for KC drop a similar ball that was better thrown.
The Bears needed a first down. I’m not opposed to going deep, but when seeing just how open DJ Moore actually was, Fields really dropped the ball in extending the drive and allowing the team to get a win. The defense in the 4th didn’t do any favors by any means, and I don’t blame Fields for the loss, but I do blame him for not getting us the win with a pass to the wide open #1 receiver. He didn’t even look at DJ as an option, which is appalling, quite honestly. I don’t want to crucify Fields here, but I guarantee you that he’s going to see this in the film room this week (if not already today) and come to the same conclusion.
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you are speaking facts but to these truthers Fields can never do no harm and its always someone else’s fault. cant wait for them to be gone next offseason
Everything you have written is true. Be prepared to be downvoted for posting truth here.
It’s not true because the play has already been looked at with the correct All 22 feed and by known analyst, not some kid drunk and bored. Nobody has said that isn’t want the correct read. Well except the Homers and drunk college kids.
You need to take a look at the all 22 for this because you’re missing pieces here in the early screenshots.
I’m pretty sure on that play you’re reading the defense (Lmao) and taking the route according to how they react. The three routes underneath including Moore’s were going toward the three defenders in coverage. Moore was “open” but he wasn’t the main play to be made here. Those three defenders came down and it would have been a fight to get the first down. Would have set up a manageable 4th down though. But the defenders coming down opened things up for Tyler Scott and he beat his man.
Fields did not overthrow that ball. There where multiple throws Fields made (and didn’t make) in the game that you can criticize him for and rightfully so. This isn’t one of those. You can see the All-22 where Scott slows down on the double move and then stutters when he tries to track the ball in the air. It’s a rookie mistake and I’m not blaming him for the loss. But that particular play was on him. That stutter and the double move was the difference in that throw being caught. DJ makes that route and catch all day.
Also, you’re saying he threw into double coverage but Tyler Scott clearly had a step on those two defenders even with him stuttering and slowing down. There is no way their secondary is faster than Tyler Scott either so the hope there would have been for them to get a piece of his shoe. Pretty sure that would have been taken to the house.
The last thing, I keep hearing this thing about taking the conservative play. With reference to the situation. As I understand, you run the play as intended and not what the situation in the game is. UNLESS, you’re told otherwise. But we currently aren’t aware if there was any communication with Justin and the staff about that during the time.
I posted the video of this play last night and got roasted for saying the same thing.
Can’t say Fields maybe should have thrown it to Dj Moore, that’s hating on Fields and makes you stupid.
Every respected QB analysis has proven you wrong. Using your eyes and watching the video you could see you’re wrong. That’s why you got downvoted. You’re letting your anti-Fields bias and/or your lack of football knowledge blame others for it when in reality you were just wrong
As you should have.
Matt Bowen did a breakdown on this on the All 22 tape. The read was right - Moore was covered by the safety coming down to him from the other side and Scott had his man beat over the top. The ball was perfect, Scott stopped running.
There is no way in hell that Fields actually went through his progression. He never looked at DJ.
This isn’t how it works. You don’t look at your second read when your first read is open. Fields correctly identified Scott as open, so he threw him the ball. If you have a problem with that, then complain about Getsy dialing up a deep route when we were supposed to be bleeding the clock.
Moore is the first read, Fields said it himself
I would have probably gone to moore based on the match up there (I dont trust scott in a critical situation), but moore isn’t wide-open like a video still might show, the safety of streaking towards him on a switch/match coverage (show split safety 2 high presnap, switch to one deep with low safety matching a crossing route post snap). It’s possible moore breaks the tackle and picks up the first down, but if the safety makes the tackle there, he’s short of the first.
Tyler Scott was running the deep route to clear out the defense. 0% chance he was the first read
You’re correct. I believe he was there to take away the crashing safety that was high tailing it to Moore, but safety didn’t bite.
man alert
You’re correct. I believe he was there to take away the crashing safety that was high tailing it to Moore, but safety didn’t bite.
This is why this sub is so lost.
We have to believe that Getsy draws up a play on 3rd and 9 where the whole goal is first down and keep the clock rolling. So the first read is deep ball to rookie WR in double coverage.
It’s not the coaching. It is the execution. Justin continues to blow it in crunch time and looks great the other 52 minutes.
This isn’t how it works exactly. The defense is ready for passes to the sticks to get the first down. They may also give room to the WR’s to entice the QB to throw it, so that they could stop the play short or chase the WR out of bounds. A guy going deep isn’t a defensive priority on that play because the offense risks a sack or an incomplete on to stop the clock. In a season where we are going nowhere, I don’t mind Fields making that throw, it was on the money.
No. It’s the coaching. If you want to call it that.
Justin didn’t blow it, my dude. He made the correct read and made the correct throw. The receiver made a mistake.
Are you familiar with the Dunning-Kruger effect?
This isn’t how it works. You don’t look at your second read when your first read is open.
The average fan equates not throwing to someone that is open to having not gone through your progressions.
I also think it’s funny how the main criticism most have of Fields is “he holds on to the ball” or “Just throw it Justin!” And when he does exactly that it is “well maybe he should have held it because a guy was a little more open, he’s not going through his progressions!” It’s like they don’t realize how hypocritical it sounds when in reality he made the right throw and read, it just didn’t work out.
It’s actually referred to as an alert! Which is what we want to have more of because its a major factor in an explosive offense. If you have a QB who turns down Alerts! you need a new QB
Best advice for now is to not play this game. The lines are drawn in this sub.
Coaches are at fault.
Fields cannot execute in crunch time giving away win after win.
The only result in playing is global thermonuclear war.
The one’s who blew it in the clutch were 13 and 58… They’re rookies, but open your eyes please.
Scott in particular had a handful of plays that killed them on Sunday, not just this and the fumble.
this. I didn’t realize scott had such a bad game. He had gaffs in the run game that possibly took points off the board or at least big plays
Fields overthrew Scott. People keep clamoring about how it was a “perfect” ball. It wasn’t. He overthrew it. He also threw it into double coverage of sorts. Scott beat his primary defender, but the safety absolutely was right there. I don’t know what anyone wants or expects Scott to be able to do here. There is maybe the slightest of stutter steps, potentially, but I see a guy extending himself as much as he can to make the play, but coming up short because the ball was thrown too far. And really, how often do receivers make the catch when outstretched as far as they can be? We just saw a receiver for KC drop a similar ball that was better thrown.
This is just completely fabricated. Scott himself says he misjudged the ball. Just grasping at straws at this point
Let alone anyone with any football sense what so ever can see he shortened 3 steps. If he kept up in stride, would have dropped right in bread basket and most likely to the house. As the CB and FS were going to need a shoe string tackle to take him down at that point.
Bigger problem is why did Getsy make that route for Tyler and not Darnell or DJ? As well we don’t know the priority of throw. Could have been told prior to play go for deep first then crossers.
Fields didn’t play a perfect game and I’m absolutely willing to accept that… but wtf are these jibroni’s talking about here? This guy is either an idiot or thinks everyone here is
Edit: either way I’m offended lol
this is one ridiculous post
i guess last night Mahommes shouldnt have thrown that ball to Scantling and instead should have taken the 5 yarder for the hope of a catch and run
this staff will not attack with weapons which is the opposite of winning football
I’m so tired of this
Fields threw a dime and Scott slowed down. This happened during the Texans game last year and it resulted in 2 picks.
No shit he’s so hesitant to throw when his receivers don’t want to run to the ball.
I beg you to lurk more. You are out of your depths.
1 robber, robber safety rotates down to cutoff the crosser. Middle field player is across the field rotating. Scott wins immediately vs. press. You throw that ball every time.
You clearly have a bias towards Field. The Bears shouldn’t have been in this position to begin with. If the coaching staff had been more agressive in the previous few drives where they had to settle for fields goals, this game would have been over.
I haven’t looked at any film and I don’t know what his progressions were.
But calling his pass to Scott “overthrown” is the dumbest thing I’ve read today, and there is stiff competition for that honor.
My only complaint about the last serious is we didn’t use timeouts. The clock was already stopped with Lions timeouts. We could have sent out a formation, see if we liked a matchup then called a timeout.
Without context the playcalling didn’t bother me. We ran inside zone, option then the pass play. The first two run designed worked for most of the game.
With context what bothers me is our coaches still seem surprised by what Fields does. If Mahomes is an artist Fields is much more robotic. He takes his read’s literally when he makes them. So my issue is with the second down option play. Fields was never going to keep that ball. He saw the wide 9 edge and it was going to be a give to the RB inside. He did it all game.