• gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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    This reminds me of that meme where a dad says “our cat just got eaten by a coyote so i’m gonna get a new cat from the animal shelter” and the friend says “well it just sounds like you’re feeding stray cats to coyotes” and then the daughter started crying …

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    People keep ignoring the fact that Obama struck a deal with Iran that stopped their nuclear weapons program.

    Trump killed american troops to get a deal that’s worse than the one we already had.

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      that shit is making me crazy… why do I, random European dude, remember trump breaking the Iran deal all those years ago, and no fucking journalist today dares to put a wee little reminder at the beginning of every article just to get all up to speed? wtf man

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        Prolly the same reason mainstream media “forgot” to mention Operation Cyclone back in late 2001 and early 2002, or how they intentionally swallowed the screamingly obvious bullshit of “Iraq has WMDs”

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        Because western mainstream media has been captured by the same interests who are betting on oil futures right before Donnie Dipshit tweets about it

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      ah but you seem to ignore that obama was a secret kenyan. he was all sneaky about it, being born in hawaii the way he was.

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      The JCPOA (Obama‘s deal) wasn’t perfect and didn’t stop a nuclear weapon or nuclear enrichment for Iran. At best it delayed it for a decade. It also didn’t do anything about Iran ballistic missile program.

      In fact the same year the JCPOA was signed, Iran built a big public clock counting down to Israel‘s destruction in Palestine square. It would reach zero the year the JCPOA ended. So much for their peaceful intentions.

      The JCPOA only kicked the can down the road with the hope of a more sane government in Iran later on.

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        Iran built a big public clock counting down to Israel‘s destruction in Palestine square

        And Donald Trump swore up and down that Mexico would pay for the Wall.

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          Well the Iranian regime calls for the death and destruction of Israel daily and has for decades. They also have actively armed Hezbollah and others, as well as launched ballistic missiles at their cities.

          This is some silly rhetoric. It’s core to their Islamist ideology. They mean it.

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            Well the Iranian regime calls for the death and destruction of Israel daily and has for decades.

            The GOP has said that lower taxes for the rich will solve all of americia’s problems.

            People in power will say anything to keep going.

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              You’re saying that as if Iran‘s elections are worth anything. The regime is very unpopular among the population. Many even applauded and celebrated the Israeli and American air strikes.

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                So, we end up back at your original point.

                Obama’s plan was a huge step forward and could haven lead to real progress.

                Too bad Donnie had a bad day and blew it all up.

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        Sounds like right-wing misinformation to me.

        Just as a casual fact check, the JCPOA was signed into law in 2015 and the clock in Palestine square appeared in 2017

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        So what has improved about the situation since Trump threw out the JCPOA?

        “Not perfect” doesn’t mean it wasn’t batter then the current situation.

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          The JCPOA wasn’t great and mostly kicked the can down the road. Trump made the situation worse because he made diplomatic efforts much more difficult.

          The core issue is Iran‘s fundamentalist regime and their destructive desires and actions. That’s not Trump‘s fault. It’s an extremely difficult issue, that would have led to war sooner or later, without Iran changing their policies.

          tl;dr Trump bad. Iran worse.

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            So it would be accurate to say: despite JCPOA not being perfect, Trump’s actions have only made the situation worse than if he had left the previously existing agreement in place.

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    Not so Iran can make more money…it’s for Russia to make more money, duh. Almost everything he does benefits Russia. It’s so blatantly obvious, too. Russia has some real good shit on this clown.

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    It’s not so Iran can make more money, it’s for Russia. Also it helped distract us from the fact that indicted bibi is continuing with a 2nd genocide for his Greater Israel sideproject.

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        Actually yes, because this allows him to regroup, move slow moving carrier groups into position and secure oil supplies/put measures in place to keep at least Red Sea/Suez open when he continues it. Possibly also see who at CENTCOM has been reluctant to carry out war crimes, and do some more replacements there.

        I can’t believe how people are falling for it, every time he pumps and dumps. This isn’t going to stop. It will only get worse. One guy is a blackmailed pedophile with demential and the biggest nuclear arsenal, the other is a criminal delusional religious radical who would rather die, than give up this Greater Israel crusade.

        I’ll be another few years before we get to Christmas.

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      Don’t forget, this was also a distraction for the Epstein files release and the fact that he raped children.

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      it’s for Russia

      Americans shitting the bed in the Middle East every day for fifty years

      “Yeah, uh, actually that was Russia. Russia did that.”

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        china still gets an oil squeeze, where russia doesnt. They are also allies so its not that bad for either of them. But certainly it isn’t any type of ‘victory’ for the USA. They’re pretty much losing on all fronts.

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          China would have gotten an oil squeeze IF they hadn’t worked out a deal with Iran to let Chinese oil tankers pass through the strait.

          I believe you’re getting cause and effect mixed up here.

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    They aren’t charging $2mill. They are charging ¥2mil or crypto equivalent. They are intentionally demolishing the Petrodollar.

    More power to them.

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      They are intention demolishing the Petrodollar.

      I think Climate Change and explosion of alternative energy sources is doing that.

      They’re just trying to evade Western financial restrictions. Dollars aren’t useful to a country that’s cut out of the LIBOR and SWIFT banking systems.

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        It’s not just about how useful the dollar is to Iran, it’s about making it less useful to other countries also.

        If Iranian oil is back on the market there will be a lot of interested buyers. If it’s only sold in yuan or crypto.

        The petrodollar wasn’t going to last forever youre right but there are many parties interested in ending it sooner than later.

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          It’s not just about how useful the dollar is to Iran, it’s about making it less useful to other countries also.

          For Iran, specifically, there’s no incentive to accept reparations payments in a currency they can’t easily collect or exchange. Yuan makes sense, because China is one of their biggest trading partners. Bitcoins make sense because they’re easy to launder and can be transferred independent of the NATO-based financial systems.

          If Iranian oil is back on the market there will be a lot of interested buyers.

          It’s more Qatari and Kuwaiti oil at issue. Iranians are just rent-seeking off the most expedient shipping lane.

          The petrodollar wasn’t going to last forever youre right but there are many parties interested in ending it sooner than later.

          The petrodollar is arbitrage between Middle Eastern raw materials and the western banking system. It could move to the PetroEuro without a meaningful change in foreign policies. Or the PetroLoonie or PetroPound for that matter. All of these countries are in agreement that the Persian Gulf states need to play a secondary role in the global economy.

          What Iranians are hoping to change isn’t the primary currency of the region, but the balance of power between US/EU colonizers and local people.

          The very act of securing the Straight and collecting rent on passage is a huge step in that direction, regardless of what currency they collect their fees in. It’s a material change, not just an accounting shift.

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    Oh, don’t forget that now the oil that actually gets through is being traded in yuan and RMB instead of USD, so now the petrodollar is starting to slip away, which is the only reason the dollar can keep it’s strength because it leverages every other countries energy budget to contribute to US GDP.

    This was true weapons-grade stupidity for that stable genius.

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    probably seinfeld is a bad example of being used, hes a zionist, his wife has funded prozionist groups, and he loves the war thats going on.

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        I recall a political cartoon back when Gaddafi was killed, it was Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (then president of Iran) and Kim Jong Un watching the bombing of Lybia under USA flag, with one asking “What message do you get from this?”, and the other replying “Build more nukes!”

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    NGL I would rather the IRGC burns and takes a million people with them than them get paid for passage through the strait. The buck has to stop somewhere, we can’t allow evil to take root like this.

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        It seemed like Iranians were willing to stop it themselves for but a brief moment, but the moment is over. Same with Russia and China. If they won’t fight it internally, then we have to step in ourselves, for not only our own wellbeing but the people who come after us.