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Lots of venture capital money behind it. I wonder how quickly the enshitification will begin.
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I wonder how quickly the enshitification will begin.
Lots of venture capital money behind it.
It already began.
Trust me, bro, this time’lo be different, this VC-funded social network isn’t going to enshittify, AI is going to fight bots, just give me all your data bro
Meh, it’s still corpo space.
Someone will have to let me know because I’m not wasting my time there. I’m going to keep wasting my time here. It’s a fantastic waste of time
I dug Digg once upon a time. When they tried to undermine the power users, I found Reddit. Then Reddit enshittified. Now I got Lemmy. It’s where I want to be. No company behind it, milking the users.
My timeline was
Fark>Slashdot>Digg>Reddit>Lemmy
I don’t allow loops.
Yep, I’m ready to read the news that this platform surpassed the user base of Lemmy on the first day and never looked back. And I am ready to not be bothered by it.
Good on them for any pain they inflict on reddit. And I do hope the fediverse takes over the global media landscape because that is better for humanity than corpo-governmental gatekeepers. But if Lemmy’s user base just hangs around in the tens of thousands rather than the tens of millions, I am content.
I disagree about being content with a small user base, I want more niche communities beyond News/Politics, Linux/FOSS, and memes.
Be the change you want to see in the world
It’s effing hard. Doubled the numbers on one community after a year. Both of us are a bit depressed by that.
What community? This is your chance to recruit me, unless that’s against the rules
I have mixed feelings.
On one hand, agreed @ wanting more variety in communities.
OTOH, Lemmy already has too much fucking politics. I don’t want whatever’s infecting reddit to become even MORE prevalent here. shudder
How much worse could it really become in terms of politics? It already feels like 60% of posts are politics, and jumps to 90% if you include the “Windows/Google/AI bad, use Linux/Librewolf/Selfhost” posts.
Well, I block posters and communities pretty quickly when I see politics. I already feel like I have to add to that list way too much. Worse would be “I can’t even click Next without needing to block another one”.
I hate the idea of “blocking” a user or community, to me I hear “block” and imagine a user who harasses me or posts actual spam, whereas someone who comments politics a lot might also comment non-political stuff I’d like to see, or if an event is big enough I could see cross posts in more niche communities. I wish there was a “show me less of this on the front page” option.
Yeah, I get that, like blocking should be an extreme step?
But for me it’s kind of a defensive measure. I feel political-flooded basically all the time online. There’s no respite, so I have to carve out what sanity I can.
Sorry for being off topic (from the article), but I have a little community of translators on lemmy.ca if you’re interested in niche communities.
Sadly that’s not one of my niche interests. But thanks for the offer!
What? Where? Nice!
Hi! It’s !translators@lemmy.ca Hopefully, I did the link right. I just started it a few weeks ago and I’d love to see more activity from others.
Joined, thanks!
Thank you!!
Oh I want those things too. The current size of Lemmy is not my ideal. It’s just really really nice in its current form for me as a unique little nerdy place hidden in plain sight from what most of the internet has become.
It was more the juxtaposition of how the world needs all these open technologies that people band together to create for the good of all, buuuuut if nobody notices this particular one then that will serve my personal interests. And to be clear I’m not hoping for that or trying to hold it back. Just pointing it out. :)
Pre-digg immigration OG reddit user here. The enshittification of reddit started when digg users joined en masse and flooded the site with advice animal memes and f7u13 macros.
As someone with a 20 year old Reddit account, I have to say I agree. The character of Reddit did change noticeably when digg users came over. And that’s fine. But it definitely happened.
Maybe now they can go back to Digg.
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They are going to use Ai to moderate, lol… That will be fun to watch.
They already do on Reddit…
I’m a little half and half on it. A lot of people like myself are fed up with the obsessive way AI is pushed into everything, but I can see it having uses.
For instance, sifting through 20,000 “This user didn’t accept my argument evidence” reports to find some that have merit; that can be worthwhile, even if all it does is alert a human to take a look and make a full judgment. Besides, the bar for quality moderators on sites like Reddit is low.
Let’s also remember that AI has many different meanings. It depends on what technology they’re using. AI is just literally a type of computer program that can be used for a variety of things.
How low are we talking?
I’m not really qualified to answer, we might need a deep-sublayer geologist.
i wonder if it could be tricked into banning wrong people
It won’t get a chance; I’m not making an account.
Not banning good people, banning wrong people.
The only Reddit alt I need is Lemmy.
Anything that takes users away from Reddit, and forces Reddit to compete, is a plus for me.
Being owned by venture capitalists is pretty much an assurance that they’ll turn it to shit as much as they can get away with. The entire reason people abandoned digg for reddit in the first place was because it was selling out to ad space and shill accounts and manipulation. The venture capitalists will want big returns on their investments.
That’s a fair point. Reddit has been openly hostile to its own users these past several years. It might help moderate that to have another alternative on the table, even if it too is a soulless corporate enterprise.
it got worst within the last year. they ban new users and old inactive accounts extremely fast. of course you can say its due to bots using same methods, this hasnt stopped bots in any case at all. its just targetting lowest hanging fruits.
Competition is good. Also the less data Reddit has, the slower A.I. models can be trained.
reddit is partially being propped up by google. most of thier AI comes from google, and thier moderation, BOT DETECTION,etc.
This is quite toxic attitude. You should focus on what’s good for you - not what’s bad for someone else.
Eh, what’s bad for capitalists is what’s good for the rest of us
Monopolies are bad for everyone except their CEO and stockholders.
I don’t agree. We’re not talking about a person or a charity. We’re talking about a VC-backed company. They can fuck off and die, and it’s not toxic – it’s just common sense.
But two corporate entities competing are better than one secure in it’s market share. Anyone with any sense would reject both for a fediverse option if it could be made to work well enough obviously but still.
Only marginally… maybe. Duopolies are still really shitty for consumers and that’s the best outcome to this. Significantly better would be if more people would realise what made internet amazing in the beginning and that logical consequences from that are that public spaces in the internet where the content comes from the people should be owned by the people.
But competition IS good for me.
If people start migrating to better experience and better communities, they’re going to have to step up to stop the bleeding.
Reddit can get away with making terrible user experiences and killing 3rd party solutions because no alternative has lured enough of their base away.
Silly question. Is Reddit still banning comments that say Lemmy?
I don’t have an account.
Dunny. I’ve mentioned it a few times. I don’t think they’re still removing them but I bet they are still suppressing them
I heard that was highly community-dependent - the more high-profile a community the more likely for it to be removed.
Idk, but now that you mention iy, I got a 2nd violation, for threatening violence that did not do so or even come close, to the point I think it was ad hoc in bad faith, to say for other reasons. I did mention lemmy not long before.
If they are advertising on Digg may work.
I’d like to see this place just a bit better
I have a link to my Lemmy profile on my Reddit profile and not even shadowbanned 🤷
they dont care about links as much as if you commented with the links in your posts. and also if your account is old and active enough they are less likely to “ban you”
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Idk, I think there are also legitimate arguments for piefed !
We can have both, thats allowed :)
(That was the point of my comment 😊)
What’s piefed? I looked at it and mostly saw lemmy instances.
It’s an alternative to Lemmy with some different features. Since it uses the same protocol under the hood, its instances federate with Lemmy. There’s more info on the differences here.
It’s like Lemmy, but it has more features because the devs aren’t tankies and they actually do work instead of just denying genocides all day
Tankie you say
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Are there any plans to improve Piefed’s RSS feeds? I primarily browse through Thunderbird, and Lemmy’s feeds are a lot more content-rich
Sounds like a good question for @rimu@piefed.social
Doesn’t piefed have that controversial hardcoded blocklist? I’ve heard that meme communities and similar are filtered out using hardcoded keywords matched aganst community name.
Why hardcode this??? Imposing your preferences on everyone seems like a bad idea.
Piefed and Lemmy are basically the same thing on different websites
They’re all in the same network
Haven’t tried piefed so I can’t say.
Such as?
This is just off the top of my head.
Grouping comments of the same posts posted on different comms for one.
Keyword filtering to fade or outright block.
Idk if filtering is in Lemmy, but grouping comments definitely isn’t.
I love the grouped comments. I scroll through the comments on once instance, then I reach the next one and you can genuinely see the shift in priorities between communities. It’s pretty cool
To add to the other comment, the fucking blocking functionality just works.
On Lemmy it’s half assed so you can’t completely defed/block:
- If someone crossposts it to another instance it appears on the feed
- If you (as a normal user) block an instance you still see the crossposts and their users
On piefed you have many block options and they just work.
I’m starting to agree. Was a bit quiet and every other post oddly seemed to be about Linux when I first signed up, but now I really like it. I’ve decided to stay.
I felt this place was a ghost town when I first started - maybe 10 posts a day. Now, there is plenty to read. Partly due to me finding more communities and overall more people here.
I could go for a text only version of this
That’s what Usenet was.
yeah it was pretty good I was there
I miss it. SLRN and proper score file made it the best information tool on the internet back in the day.
That would be nice. It can probably be done by blocking images at the browser level. Wouldn’t be the same as a text only site though.
lemmy certainly scratches the doomer/black pill/commie itch in everyone
We left Digg for Reddit about 20 years ago because of enshitification, the same way we left Reddit for the Fediverse recently, there is no way I am going back to Digg!
No but this time will be different I’m sure!! I’m sure they’ve learned their lessons from their past mistakes. Trust me on this… I’m a dolphin
Mistakes may happen, but I’m sure they won’t do any evil shit on porpoise.
I specifically remember the exodus from DIGG as the start of reddit sucking.
When was that? Based on life events I’ve reconstructed this timeline of my hangout sites
- late 1990s to mid 2000s was slahdot
- around 2006ish digg came into my life and was great for a some years. At least for memes and generic dopamining on funny pictures. I think I hung around until about 2014 or so, while spicing it up with cracked.com
- 2014ish 9GAG started having more of my type of content. After a few years 9GAG became just automated reposts of r/funny, and talking about that got you censored. Kinda like what reddit is doing now.
- 2017ish I switched to reddit, when 9GAG just became too embarrassingly bad.
- july 21st 2023 I started trying to figure out lemmy. BTW u/spez is a pedophile piss baby.
Maybe I was just trailing behind you others. Was I the one to ruin your experience? Why would you accuse me of that you insensitive clod? Anyway, in that case I’ll go eat crayons in the corner and shitpost on .ml
Interesting, I had my 9GAG phase around 2011-12. Never really used Digg, just saw the front page a couple times, then started dabbling in Reddit in 2015, then Lemmy in 2023 with the blackout protests. (I almost said those achieved nothing, but I think that’s probably when most current Lemmy users joined, so 🤷)
Sorry
-A Slashdot to Digg to Lemmy refugee
Same here 😂
What, Digg was before Reddit? Thought Reddit was the OG forum of the global internet.
Before Reddit and everything was forum sites. I use many of them today.
Digg based the voting off of a simplified version of Slashdot’s. Except they let everyone vote. Reddit then took that concept and added user generated categories and user moderating.
Before Digg was Kuro5hin and Slashdot
I AM learning something New every day! Thanks!
even their tagline the frontpage of the internet is digg’s and they took it back
Sounds like an unholy wedding of AI and privacy nightmare to me.
I will never return to walled garden internet. You burned all your good will by being greedy and horrible.
Walled gardens go against the spirit of the Internet, anyway.
Yeah… no. None of that sounds appealing.
‘Curbing toxicity with AI’ means a bot is going to ban you because it doesn’t recognise sarcasm.
And ‘new tech to verify your identity’ sounds like a privacy violation at best.
‘Verifying that you own a product before they let you post in its community’ is a complete lack of understanding of how people use places like this.
Digg can fuck right off.
While AI obviously is not perfect and is flawed in many ways, having AI sift through the torrent of comments and then flag problematic submissions for human review is likely going to be extremely effective with minimal false positives. Though I do say this as a person whose Reddit account is currently banned for 3 days for “inciting violence” because of a knife-based joke.
I got banned from reddit last week for “threatening violence” basically because my comment contained the word “die.” It wasn’t a verb.
Reddit is super aggressive with this shit now. If you say “Don’t drink bleach, that would kill you.” Their AI bullshit just sees “kill you” and bans you for threats.
Site is fucking useless, don’t even bother at this point. It’s mostly robots talking to other robots at this point anyway.
Meh. I got banned just for saying something about stabbing Donald Trump in the neck and watching him bleed out before alerting the staff of the Urgent Care I was waiting all day in. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I have been permanently banned from Reddit for wishing for a natural disease process to occur in a certain individual. If only I were that powerful of a manifestor our world would be a better place.
Ai flagging for human review is likely the best option.
The problem is that the humans reviewing things are biased, assholes with no sense of humor.
Ah I see someone else suffering the same shit as myself. Inciting violence for comparatives is what happened to me. No, neither side should celebrate violence. Human life is invaluable.
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“I run faster with a knife!!”
Yeah, the verifying that you own a product thing is so dumb.
“Hey <insert product> community. I’m thinking about purchasing <insert product>, but I wanted to know if it can do X, Y, and Z.”
“your post has been deleted because you have not proven that you own <insert product>.”
Wow, it’s like they made Reddit even worse.
“Hi I wasn’t paid six dollars on Fiverr to post here” (does increase costs obviously but marginally for high-margin/volume products)
Your comment would be autoremoved for the last line lol
Oh look, another centralized social media site owned by tech bros!
But currently its quite cool!!1!
Plus, Rose suggests Digg could use signals acquired from mobile devices to help verify members — for instance, the app could identify when Digg users attended a meetup in the same location.
Maybe I’m being paranoid, but this does not sound like a good thing for privacy.
“Hi! We’ve just noticed there are 2 other members of d/footfettish next to you, go say hi!”
Low key win for kink communities.
You are absolutely right about that. Passively detecting your location? Fuck that. We are getting into an era where bots are overwhelming and user verification is a valid topic to discuss. I think additional device permissions can be one element in that discussion. But this idea he popped off the dome is a miserable example of such.
It already sucks, I did the beta and it started to suck then. Now I cannot login because their login method sucks. I am done. I am happy on Lemmy.
