First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for meThey actually went after trans people first last time as well.
they went after a Jewish sexologist who studied and advocated for trans people, so the Nazis really killed two birds with one stone. :|
It really was a twofer to paint both with the brush of sexual immorality. Weimar Germany was the center of a sexual reform movement that promoted birth control for women, equal rights for both sexes, acceptance of sexual minorities, legalization and regulation of sex work and more. It was really ahead of its time.
Then the Nazis came along and found common ground with the conservative religious groups to demonize and then victimize everyone involved.
It’s just… I know history doesn’t repeat itself, but goddamn does it rhyme.
History sure does rhyme. Unfortunately, it’s because authoritarians learn from the failings of others
I don’t think we’ll see the end stages of Nazi Germany in the US. That’s what brought down Hitler. Putin and modern Russia is a much better example of what we could see going forward
Much easier to keep people in line when the atrocities are vague and plausibly denied
Oh. Look at you ‘knowing history’ and ‘telling the truth’. Has that ever helped you?
So are you saying that I shouldn’t know history, or that I shouldn’t tell the truth, or are you saying I shouldn’t learn about history?
Just curious what your point was?
“First they came for the trans people, but I didn’t speak out because nobody ever even fucking told me they did this until like last year like wtf…”
Are all ya dumb fucks who refused to vote for Kamala happy?
Ya happy all your trans friends are about to be sent to concentration camps so you could virtue signal your pathetic hollow support for Palestine (that’s actively doing far worse under Trump than under Biden BTW)?
Hope all the death and destruction partially on your hands was worth you feeling like a special little hero for a few hours last November.
No shit.
Hey assholes - this is what the “worse of two evils” looks like! Remember it for the next time, if you get a chance again.
Well, it was all worth it because something something “status quo” and we’d have a genocide in Gaza, or something.
I will always understand having grievances for the democratic party because all they do is defend the status quo - I do too - but not voting over that is just fucking stupid. You want to change that? Go to protests, vote in primaries, support local initiatives for ranked choice voting, donate to causes you find actually beneficial, support local politicians that dont just support the status quo, support movements you believe in. If its about Gaza, speak up about that, donate to humanitarian funds, etc. There are ao many things you can do that can impact these things. But refusing to vote does actually fucking nothing for that cause.
There is no world in which more people refusing to vote for Kamala would have gotten us a better president or stopped genocide in gaza. Or really had any impact in any way that wasn’t making trump more likely to win. IMO the folks that did that were doing it more for themselves so they could feel morally superior because they didnt vote for the candidate that supported genocide or the “status quo” even though it literally never would have had any impact on either of those things.
(And let’s be real - trump is way worse for Gaza than Kamala would have been. I’m sure she wouldn’t have done enough, just like Biden, but at least there are voices in that party calling out Israel. Those voices fall far more deaf on this administration’s ears)
Yep, I could not agree more. Seeing the smug and the self-righteous still proudly argle-bargling about Gaza is infuriating, if you ask me. I don’t know how many genuinely feel this way when it’s online - many could just be paid Russian stooges or bots, for all I know.
But I do know a few IRL and when it comes up, it’s hard to keep my cool. It’d be one thing if they didn’t act so goddamned morally superior about it all. I’ve noticed that all of the ones I know of IRL are not in at-risk groups, other than a few cases being women and some being not active xtians (but raised xtian), if that counts. But all of them are white, all of them are at least middle class, none are gay/trans…probably most have the means to get the fuck out of this country if they really had to, etc.
Trans person here, Harris sucked as a candidate. Her refusal to take any sort of stance against an ongoing genocide isn’t the sole reason for her loss but it was certainly a pretty big factor, alongside all of the other positions she didn’t meaningfully differentiate herself from Biden on in an attempt to win over non-existent moderate republicans. I don’t blame a single person for refusing to vote for her, no one’s vote belongs to a party. Being upset at the people who wanted at least one of the candidates running for president to not be actively supporting a genocide, instead of at those politicians, who were actively supporting a fucking genocide, seems at best misguided.
(Also, of the anarchist/leftist groups and spaces I’ve visited or been a part of irl, a pretty significant number of the people there have been queer or trans or in some other marginalized group.)
It’d be one thing if they didn’t act so goddamned morally superior about it all.
People who oppose genocide are morally superior to those who support it. I can imagine that people who want to support genocide while still wanting to pretend they’re good people would like that to not be the case.
Yep, I could not agree more. Seeing the smug and the self-righteous still proudly argle-bargling about Gaza is infuriating
This is a two way street, your lack of perspective makes your self-righteousness just as insufferable.
One sentence of shit I don’t mean, but three paragraphs of shit I do mean.
And don’t bring up primaries. It’s just gloating since you know the party doesn’t run honest primaries when it pretends to have them at all.
Democratic primaries do have issues, yeah, particularly in the presidential race. But I wouldn’t say theyre meaningless in local elections. Still, definitely a lot of issues, but voting in primaries still does far more than refusing to vote in the main election ever would.
But I wouldn’t say theyre meaningless in local elections.
Henry Cuellar.
I mean we did all witness how maintaining support for Israel was deemed more important.
The Gazan War was so cynically manipulated to votes against Harris that it makes you think if that was all planned too.
I mean… It kinda was. Netanyahu deliberately stalled peace talks because he wanted Trump in power and he knew that killing Palestinians only hurt Kamala politically, it never hurt Trump because his voters don’t give a shit.
Something something both sides same.
One side, forgive student debt and invest in infrastructure.
Other side, masked agents kidnap off street, send people to concentration camps, and censor free speech.
See, both sides same.
Mocking individuals that you disagree with by reducing all of their arguments down to “both sides same” and setting up a straw man that you easily defeat is not helping anyone.
I don’t really understand this comment. I was replying to the parent comment with a sarcastic/joke take on the “both sides same” people.
Say somebody writes a few paragraphs about the American political system in good faith.
If they draw any parallels between the parties, even a little bit, people come out of the woodwork to mock them and reduce their arguments down to “both sides same”. Your comment encapsulates such a situation. You led your comment by saying, “Something something both sides same”. I just want to make it clear that I agree that there are significant, stark differences between the two parties, and I understood your sarcasm and probable frustration.
If somebody simply says “both sides same” as their main argument or by itself: you are more than welcome in my book to call it out and push back.
However, I’m trying to suggest that sometimes the “Something something” could be engaged with if it’s in good faith, and it’d advance discourse. I’m also trying to suggest that mocking, while valid, can be unfairly applied. It likely isn’t the best use of our energy as it can be divisive.
Ok, I think I see why your last comment made no sense to me. I think you’re trying to have a substantive discussion, but… you’re engaging with a joke. I can’t debate you because I don’t have a serious position, I have a joke.
Fair enough, that’s that then - I thought I was engaging with a person. As it must be clear now to you, it’s the opposite of funny to me - it’s frustrating, though not as frustrating as people who regularly spout both sides rhetoric in bad faith.
I would love to know how many people actually refused to vote for Kamala for the reasons you stated. Obviously it’s not zero, but I have seen some variation of the “are you happy now?” comment hundreds of times, and I’ve never spoken to such a protest voter in real life. Or maybe they’re everywhere and they’re too embarrassed to admit it.
Instead of pointing to gerrymandering, voter suppression and potential massive election fraud, the mass of comments like yours is starting to feel like straw manning.
My dude, look at the replies to my comments. These people are outing themselves.
Guilty conscious maybe?
Of course they would be more hush hush about their fuck up now. Who but the most imbecilic narcissists would say gleefully as minorities are being shipped end masse to concentration camps that they intentionally refused to act to stop it?
Who but the most imbecilic narcissists would say gleefully as minorities are being shipped end masse to concentration camps that they intentionally refused to act to stop it?
I can’t help that you intentionally refused to speak up against genocide.
Probably a sign of a guilty conscience.
Centrists experience no guilt as they don’t see Palestinians as people.
Just like they adopted republican immigration policy because they don’t see immigrants as people.
And just like even more centrists than already have are gonna throw trans people under the bus. And for the same reason: if you’re not netanyahu, you’re disposable.
Good thing there’s no genocide now then. Whew. Bullet avoided with Genocide Kamala. Good job bravely standing up and doing nothing.
No centrist cares that I voted for harris; all they care about is that I opposed the genocide they wanted.
I wouldn’t know what centrists care about, but you sure seem to be throwing those accusations around at everyone who disagrees with you.
Oh? It was just fine for a solid year to call anyone who opposes genocide a tankie, trumpist, republican, russian, chinese, child, bot, fascist and so on.
You were trying to convince me to vote for the candidate I voted for in an election that already happened. Ostensibly. Really, you just don’t like criticism of the genocide that will define centrism forever. So I don’t really give a shit that you’re offended by being called a centrist since you’re acting like one.
Ok, fine - everyone who didn’t vote is irresponsible and unreliable and a bad ally or whatever, and also let’s do Fox News’ work for them and blame left-leaning emancipatory movements for our problems.
Now what? What viable allies, what options, does this frame of reference leave you with? What are you going to do now?
I’ve spent a lifetime watching people blame the ones closest to them for their problems, while the real enemy is right in front of them. It’s a powerful human impulse, and it’s the primary right-wing impulse. I’m not foolish enough to think it’s ever going away. I can only hope, like I hope of right-wingers, that you’re not too far gone into rage and despair to understand what’s going on.
I can only hope that at some point, before it’s too late, you’ll consider how far a political establishment needs to fall that the people it’s supposed to stand for find it less depressing to tune out; that the only people who engage with the system do it to bring in a guy who’ll tear it all down. I hope you’ll be able to direct your rage at the people who truly deserve it.
I hope you find a way to work with the rest of us. Otherwise, I hope that you’re strong enough to fix this yourself.
That’s a lot to say people shouldn’t be held accountable.
Sure, let’s hold the victims of fascism accountable for the actions of fascists.
If you’d actually read my comment, you would have realized that you’re demonstrating exactly what I was talking about. You want to hold fascists accountable, but you don’t have the immediate means to do that. So you turn around and victim-blame your fellow sufferers.
You’re not the first person to fall into this trap. It’s the entire reason people voted for Trump - if you can’t change the system that’s screwing you over, at least you can punish the people around you and call that accountability. I hope we can be smart enough not to do this to each other, but the responses in this thread are making it hard to be optimistic.
So, ironically, I’m going to tune out of this conversation too, before it crushes me even more. I’m going to try to find hope and courage elsewhere, because I’m all out at the moment. To the rest of you, whoever you are, I hope you can find it too.
Sure, let’s hold the victims of fascism accountable for the actions of fascists.
When did anyone say this. You’re incapable of having an honest conversation lol.
I didn’t read the rest because what’s the point. You’re just making up stuff and arguing with yourself lol.
Ok, fine - everyone who didn’t vote is irresponsible and unreliable and a bad ally or whatever, and also let’s do Fox News’ work for them and blame left-leaning emancipatory movements for our problems.
What I wanted was for the US to not fall to fascism, so I chose the only option that’d realistically prevent that.
You and countless other leftests chose to do jack shit, something we know favors the GOP because of the Electoral College and Gerrymandering to virtue signal.
You all are closer to Fox news than those who voted for Kamala. Our action wouldn’t have ended up with fascism. Yours did. You were functionally on the side of fascism when itattered most what side you were on. How does that make you feel?
You can’t even claim to be an emancipatory movement because literally ever group you’d want to emancipate is objectively worse of and further from emancipation.
Now what? What viable allies, what options, does this frame of reference leave you with? What are you going to do now?
Viable allies are whoever we can trust. Whoever either voted for Kamala or doesn’t let their ego dominate their narrative and can actually admit wrong for not doing it, or encouraging others in swing States to do it by sounding the alarm.
You lot covered in your own tears and piss after telling all of us to fuck off when we needed you the most aren’t allies. You’re a liability at best. You couldn’t be trusted when it was convenient for you. What makes you think you could be trusted when its hard for us all, when you can’t even put aside your ego to admit your side was wrong?
I’ve spent a lifetime watching people blame the ones closest to them for their problems, while the real enemy is right in front of them
You all proved last November you were never closest to us. Maybe not even close in general. What is there left for us to do than to adopt this mistrust as a survival mechanism so you all don’t fuck everyone over for your own egos next time we need to stand?
You keep whining that people are blaming you all for not voting, and not asking yourself why that might be. How you all fucked up to earn this mistrust and disrespect. Self reflect for once in your life.
It’s a powerful human impulse, and it’s the primary right-wing impulse. I’m not foolish enough to think it’s ever going away. I can only hope, like I hope of right-wingers, that you’re not too far gone into rage and despair to understand what’s going on.
Hollow words from a hypocrite who embodied not understanding what’s going on in time when it mattered most last year. Millions with the same idiotic mentality, and inability to self reflect on their own betrayal of all marginalized peoples.
Again, self reflect. You all earned this mistrust. This is on you all, not us.
I can only hope that at some point, before it’s too late, you’ll consider how far a political establishment needs to fall that the people it’s supposed to stand for find it less depressing to tune out
I can only hope that one day you and every child with this same defeatest mentality realize how I credibly stupid it was that you use being demoralized and depressed as an excuse to surrender to fascism that reigned in an era that made the prior one look, not depressing, but like a fucking progressive paradise in comparison.
Again
No strategic vision
No strategic foresight
In really, no thought or logic behind your actions at all.
that the only people who engage with the system do it to bring in a guy who’ll tear it all down. I hope you’ll be able to direct your rage at the people who truly deserve it.
That’s not true. Millions of people who can actually accurately call themselves progressives and leftists stood up to choose the best viable option for the marginalized people. Do not project your fundamental character flaw unto others.
Again, put your fucking ego aside for a moment.
I hope you find a way to work with the rest of us. Otherwise, I hope that you’re strong enough to fix this yourself.
And here we are at the neo-liberal gaslighting y’all so fervently foam at the mouth at when the Dems do it.
Just like the establishment Dems you hate. You completely abandoned everyone who needed you to act when you had the position to do so at least in some way.
And now that you actually see the threat when its FAR too late to avoid, you’re demanding unity and alliance.
Fuck that.
You’re a liability, not an ally. Until you and everyone who thinks just like you gets their heads out of their asses and learns to sacrafice their egos for the good of others, we are in more danger with you than without you.
You all have proven I disputably that you cannot be trusted or relied on to do your part.
Put your ego aside for once. Nobody should be allying with you until you do that. Until then, you bring them more danger than help.
This is what dividing the left looks like. Thanks for the example, I hope you reconsider your stance and be more inclusive moving forward.
They’re a die-hard Democrat posing as a leftist her as a rhetorical tool.
I skimmed through several of their extraordinarily long diatribes and I didn’t catch any criticism of the Democratic party, much less Kamala. They reserve all of their anger for other users and voters they deemed insufficiently loyal.
My friend - I didn’t reply to defend myself from your arguments, or to demand anything from you. I replied because I’ve known people who express this level of anger and hate, and I’ve seen this kind of thinking lead them to extremely dark places. And that includes myself.
This is not concern trolling, I’m not trying to win or get a rise out of you here, and I’m trying my best not to sound condescending (admittedly without much success) - Please take better care of yourself. Please don’t push away the vast majority of people who do not share your rage. And please, for the love of all that is holy, touch some grass before you give yourself an aneurysm.
I told myself earlier that I’d stop replying, but I felt the need to give this one last try with more direct communication. I’m going to commit this time, if only for the sake of your blood pressure. Wishing you well, genuinely.
But then how will they learn?! /s
Virtue Signalling leftists when boycotting voting for Hillary didn’t turn the Dems left so why the fuck would boycotting Kamala do it?
Hillary explicitly told the left that she didn’t need their votes… I guess, in hindsight, she was wrong.
Irrelevant to what I said. Reread it.
As leftists, we need to act in the best interests of the working class. If that means electing an arrogant cunt over a demented fascist, that means electing an arrogant cunt over a demented fascist.
The left refusing to vote for Hillary in 2016 didn’t move the party left. We didn’t get Bernie, we got Biden.
Why? Because a fascist presidency didn’t make people think “hey, we need a real progressive for real change”, it made people scared and panic vote for who they perceived was the “safest” vote, which was Biden.
History will repeat itself (assuming we even have a fair enough election in 2028, let alone 2026).
americans are stupid, a side-effect of decades of neglecting their primary and secondary education systems, they will only learn through direct personal pain…and now that pain is coming.
the best move to support/protect those effected, and to make sure they know whose helping them and whose out to get them
Every year the DNC says “we got less votes this year! Must be the centrists voting for republicans, we gotta be more moderate!” and then somehow those folks turn around and say “the democrats are too moderate, if enough of us don’t vote, the DNC will see they are losing support and realize they need to come back left!”
When they win, they take it as a mandate to move to the right. When they lose, they assume it’s because they weren’t far enough to the right.
Virtue Signalling leftists
You sound like a republican here. For good reason.
I voted for harris. This will not matter to any centrist, since I spoke out against their only policy.
The anti-genocide left was too insignificant to listen to, according to the pro-genocide center. Now they’re solely to blame for her loss, according to the pro-genocide center.
It can’t be both. Either they’re too insignificant to listen to, in which case they’re too insignificant to blame, or they’re to blame, in which case they’re kingmakers and you should have listened to them.
Best thing we can do is to stop blaming and focus on solutions. Holy fuck this is frustrating and tedious.
If centrists were interested in solutions, they wouldn’t be blaming the wing of the party that wants them.
The anti-genocide left isn’t to blame for the loss.
The faux anti-genocide left who refused to vote for the best option for the people of Palestine on a very shitty election (Kamala) helped Trump with their inaction.
Trump, who by the way, has supported the genocide being hyper exacerbated compared to that of Biden and Kamala.
The Palestinians are objectively worse off now than they were under Biden, and most likely would have been under Kamala.
The anti-genocide left isn’t to blame for the loss.
Then stop blaming them.
the best option
The second worst option. Genocide supporters aren’t the best anything. Except to other genocide supporters.
The Palestinians are objectively worse off now than they were under Biden, and most likely would have been under Kamala.
Why do you keep trying to convince me to vote how I voted in an election that already happened? Oh right, you never gave a shit who won, you just want unquestioning support for the genocide supporter you want over the genocide supporter you were willing to accept as long as no one had the opportunity to vote for a candidate who doesn’t support genocide.
Trump, who by the way, has supported the genocide being hyper exacerbated
Dead is dead. There is no exacerbated. Harris clutching her pearls instead of planning a resort would make absolutely zero difference.
Both sides are not the same. Kamala would clearly have been less authoritarian and evil. Unfortunately the Democrats are currently so shit that voting them in, even repeatedly, won’t fix this mess. That’s because the current authoritarian form of the GOP would continue to sit at the sidelines, gathering support via populism for another term or terms, until it gets voted in, because the Democrats appease them at every turn and allow themselves to be dragged to the right on any and every issue the GOP chooses. This doesn’t work and the GOP end up winning. There were four years in between Trump 1 and Trump 2 and they did nothing to tell a story which counters the fascist othering of LGBT, brown and immigrant people (which will expand to “the left” , then anyone who disagrees with anything they say, and then finally members of their own club, as fascism always does). The GOP have changed the game, and the Dems are still playing by the old rules. Until someone like Bernie or AOC gets control, the actual quickest way out of the current tragedy is to let fascism eat itself, a process that may cost literally millions of lives. But sadly, voting in a Democrat gov is no longer a way to avoid this.
You guys still cant accept that your candidate just sucked? No? Still blaming leftists and minorities?
Anyone who didn’t vote against trump deserves the blame
What good does the blame do? People are ants compared to those that run in a democracy seeking election to represent the people in our current system.
I’d like to request that you do your best to find it in you to soften your heart towards others who, in any other context outside of this past election, would likely be seen as allies to all of humanity for their commonly expressed sentiment and principles.
You see them through a negative lens right now and your feelings and perspective are both valid, but division is counterintuitive to movement building and community. Dishing out blame like it’s candy only hardens your heart more and has the potential of hardening the hearts of others.
Actual leftists voted for the best viable option for marginalized groups, which was Kamala.
Pathetic virtue signalling asswhipes who don’t actually give a damn about marginalized groups didn’t vote or voted for a non-viable third party. An action that objectively helped the fascists win given how the Electoral College and Gerrymandering typically works.
You aren’t a leftist, you helped the fascists. Congrats, you fucked over everyone the left is supposed to care about.
So anyone who doesn’t agree with what you’re saying is virtue signaling, and anyone not behaving in accordance to your proclamations, is a fascist?
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Kamala sucked bro. She started out with a promise of change, which saw her soar to knew heights as her campaign reached $1bn+ funding from a large proportion of individual donors.
But then around the DNC, she became Biden 2.0. And that turned people off because Americans had just kicked his ass off the campaign.
Politicians don’t automatically get to have our vote. They earn it through campaigning. The mentality of “Vote Blue No Matter Who” has unironically led to the Democrats racheting towards the Right. It happened in 2016, and it happened in 2024.
Voting AGAINST something, which Kamala made a majority of her campaign about, appears to not be as good of a rallying cry as voting FOR something.
I voted for Kamala btw. But I criticized her from start to finish in hopes to extract more concessions that she ended up allowing.
It was never about trans. No one engaged in this line of thinking ever gave a fuck about individuals.
To think a political party is an ally… Yeah, I got a bridge to sell you.
They don’t care because this doesn’t affect them. That’s why they didn’t vote, they always want other people to make their decisions for them.
Only when you have felt oppression and seen it with your own eyes do you understand the impact.
I can’t wait until the right feels ACTUAL oppression and not just the made up shit they come up with for pity.
You are 100% right, and 100% useless. I’ll bet you were one of those morons who thought they were helping Harris win by scolding voters who were angry about genocide. Brilliant politics there, berate voters until you get your way.
You are 100% right, and 100% useless.
Fuck this bullshit, why do they get a free pass? They caused this, they need to take accountability for what they did.
The voters “angry about genocide” ABSOLUTELY deserve to be criticized for their unbelievably stupid or selfish decision. Those people fall into two camps 1.) extremely stupid and short-sighted or 2.) Inauthentic self-centered assholes who care more about how cool and rebellious they appear than they do about Palestinians.
You expect us to believe you care about Palestinians when you helped bring Trump to power? You intentionally made things worse for Palestinians just to make a political point. That’s fucking despicable.
Fuck this bullshit, why do they get a free pass?
OK, got it. No free pass. What are talking about here, on a scale from harsh finger wag to mass executions?
You expect us to believe you care about Palestinians when you helped bring Trump to power?
The only vote I ever made that assisted Trump was a vote for Biden in 2020. I voted Harris, and you are clearly not trying to follow what I’m saying. Quit wasting my time.
You intentionally made things worse for Palestinians just to make a political point.
Such irony. This is exactly my criticism of your misguided efforts to help Democrats by berating voters. Your arguments and especially your attitude aren’t sending the message you think they are.
The Democratic party didn’t fail us,
weyou failed it.Edit: better?
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I’m not a political party, or in charge of anything.
Maybe you should direct your anger somewhere useful, like at those who were in power, or those who are seeking it.
Or not, you do you buddy.
It’s time to get over it and look to the future. She lost. Talking shit isn’t helping anybody but you.
Actually I think it’s vitally important that voters learn from this. Or you’ll all be doomed to repeat this mistake again in the future, if you get the chance that is.
It’s important that the party learns from this.
Consider reading about representative democracy.
In a representative democracy, people don’t primarily vote to vote against the candidate they don’t like, they primarily vote for the candidate that represents them. Let’s get candidates to represent voters and potential voters and relearn that lesson as a society.
But who are these posts talking to? People who were lost in the wilderness for the past 9 months, and just got online for the first time this year? It’s just a rage circle-jerk at this point.
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btw I did vote for her…
Literally all of those people are russian/chinese agitators and you got agitated.
Lesson: make an effort to not get agitated. Learn to meditate or something. You can still have convictions and even get angry, but get angry when needed, not when somebody deliberately makes you angry.
Lemmy is not really big enough yet to attract Russian trolls.
centrists claim that anyone to the left of netanyahu is a russian troll.
Perhaps this is a conspiracy theory, but it looks to me like Lemmy was built by Russian and/or Chinese trolls specifically to agitate people against the West. They haven’t been attracted to be here, they have been here from the start.
it was created by @dessalines@lemmy.ml maybe they’re a Russian troll? I don’t think they are, but you could ask them :)
I feel like this has to be a joke. There’s a reason Lemmy has a bad wrap for being infested with Tankies, and it starts with Dessalines.
oh they’re totally a tankie, I just don’t think they were employed by the Russian government.
but you could ask them
And he would answer truthfully, you think?
Your conspiracy isn’t true, mine is!
Careful. This might be why mossad offed him.
This is the correct tactic. Those assholes never fact check anyway. What i mean is that it doesn’t matter if the quote is real or not.
He said something like this. I couldn’t find the original article of what he said, but here is Kirk’s back-pedaling
“We are messengers here. We are relaying what we are hearing from your most loyal ultra-MAGA supporters all the time,” Kirk said. “It’s not that people are saying, you know, they want to learn about Epstein because they have any suspicion of President Trump … No one thinks you’re involved in any way in that stuff whatsoever.”
The president’s backers in the MAGA sphere were joined in their dissatisfaction by half a dozen House Republicans, who are trying to force a floor vote calling on the DOJ to release any remaining Epstein-related documents it has in its possession in their entirety.
https://www.newsweek.com/jeffrey-epstein-files-update-charlie-kirk-trump-message-2099999
I can’t really even detransition. I’ve lived my entire adult life as a man.
I’m so terrified. What does this look like? Jail, inpatient institutionalization? Will they take away my testosterone?
My brain is on fire. I don’t know where to reach out for help.
prepare for surveillance of any social groups you belong to, harassment at security checkpoints, detainment if you say anything they can take out of context as evidence of some crime or threat, and random acts of violence. have armed security at any event where large numbers of trans people attend. improve your opsec - switch to Signal, get an iPhone or GrapheneOS, migrate from Discord/Google/Instagram. start carrying a taser and take self-defense classes. put together a bug-out bag. stock up on HRT if you can. don’t break any laws, no matter how minor. if you are arrested or detained: comply with orders (under protest), don’t tell them your phone PIN, say nothing except “I exercise my right to remain silent and I want an attorney.”
it remains to be seen how bad this gets. if they start rounding people up in masse, we’ll all need to flee and request asylum.
good luck.
get an iPhone
Fuck that noise, Apple is already firmly in the pocket of the orange fascist. They are no longer safe and are now a threat to privacy and safety. I would bet my entire existence they are already handing over data on anyone not straight white Christofascist.
iPhones are highly regarded for security precisely because you don’t have to trust that Apple won’t hand over your data - it’s encrypted, if you set it up that way. enable Lockdown Mode, don’t use any services that aren’t E2EE. they can still try to GrayKey your phone, but it’s not Apple’s doing - GrayKey uses exploit chains which Apple legitimately does well to mitigate.
GrapheneOS is better for security than iPhones, but less noob-friendly. there are guides, though.
It’s already been proven that not only can Apple decrypt some of your data, they are more than willing to hand it over. They are a willing tool in the government’s quest to oppress society.
nope, neither of your sources says they can decrypt your content. in particular, from your first:
Data transmitted to Google and Apple includes metadata “detailing which app received a notification and when, as well as the phone and associated Apple or Google account to which that notification was intended to be delivered,” Wyden wrote. Sometimes data shared may include “unencrypted content, which could range from backend directives for the app to the actual text displayed to a user in an app notification,” Wyden warned.
as for your second, that’s for unencrypted iCloud backups. you have to turn Advanced Data Protection on: https://www.macworld.com/article/2606947/icloud-encryption-how-secure-is-your-data.html
note that iCloud Calendar, Contacts and Mail can’t be e2e encrypted, for fundamental reasons (notifications, discovery, SMTP.) but you don’t have to use those.
I know you mean the best, but an iPhone isn’t any better privacy-wise than an Android is. Regardless of their public stance, these giant monoliths have proven time and time again there’s no respect for an individual’s privacy. If they get caught lying/breaking the law, the fine is merely the cost of doing business.
It would be better to focus on universal ways someone could keep themselves safe. Drop WhatsApp/SMS for Signal, drop Chromium based browsers, use uBlock, a VPN, etc. Arguing over phones is just infighting and not worth the energy.
I disagree on dropping Chromium-based browsers. drop Chrome/Edge/etc. certainly, but Firefox is kept alive by a skeleton crew at this point, and almost certainly has more vulnerabilities than Chromium browsers. the sandboxing and process isolation, the defense in depth, it just isn’t there.
I use Vanadium, which has all telemetry disabled, JIT off by default, and blocks ads.
I will never understand why anyone trusts a corporation who has proven time and again to spy on their own users and report back to the government, even before Trump was on the scene. I guess Cypher was right, ignorance is bliss.
I don’t trust corporations. I trust math, and code, and systems design. I trust AES-256, even though the NSA picked it, because 20 years of cryptography research has revealed nothing close to a break. I trust SELinux, even though NSA invented it, because hundreds of kernel devs from around the world have audited it and touch that code regularly. I trust even proprietary systems which have been extensively independently audited and reverse engineered by security researchers, though I do trust them less.
They have root access on your phone and it doesn’t function without constantly connecting to apple severs for every little thing. If Apple wants access to your data, they’re gonna get access.
Apple has already said they can scan your device, using on-device hardware and software, for CSAM and report that to the FBI. Yes, CSAM is bad and shouldn’t exist, but today it’s just CSAM that’s illegal and reported, tomorrow it will be the fact that one is LGBTQ+ or anti-fascist. They said they decided not to do it, but can you really trust them?
No amount of E2E encryption will protect you from an on-device spy that can scan and upload what is sitting on your phone every time you unlock it and therefore decrypt it. Your data has to be decrypted for you to interact with it, E2E only protects you when your device is in your adversary’s hands.
From your other posts you seem to be knowledgeable about security and privacy, how is it that you are turning a blind eye to this well known “feature” of Apple devices and just trusting their word that it isn’t enabled? Why are you so bent on propping up Apple as a secure platform when it’s so glaringly obvious they can’t be trusted with your data?
Apple devices and just trusting their word that it isn’t enabled? Why are you so bent on propping up Apple as a secure platform when it’s so glaringly obvious they can’t be trusted with your data?
because, while I use GrapheneOS, it’s a little hard to set up and lacks some creature comforts. Android devices outside of GOS/CalyxOS/Lineage are probably even less secure than iPhones.
but perhaps it’s better for me to encourage everyone to bite the bullet and switch to Pixels running GOS. it really isn’t that hard.
Iphone? More secure?
Secure from fraudsters stealing your money? Probably.
Secure from the government? LOL nope.
I’d trust an iPhone more than a random Samsung full of carrier bloatware, but I trust my Pixel running GrapheneOS more than either.
I have the USB-C port disabled for anything but charging, a duress pin, and reboots after 8 hours without a login. I’m honestly not sure if GrayKey could unlock it. I have memory tagging and a bunch of other hardening enabled, running only open-source apps I’ve verified the signatures of, running with minimal permissions. It would be hard to hack.
Yes, of course the NSA could almost certainly break it, but it would probably cost them time, money and vulns. If everyone uses GOS it will make their job very, very annoying :)
Trans allies are going to need to start setting up an underground railroad.
They can already detect the number of people in a house with wifi, the underground railroad as we knew it is dead. Technological horrors beyond our comprehension have ensured that.
Arm yourself. 2nd amendment is all we got left.
I lost my 2A rights because I put up signs at a troubled teen facility, and that apparently counted as “stalking” the CEO.
There are ways to get a gun without a background check. Look into it.
looks like you need to find a gun show
¡¡FLEA MARKETS!!
And what state do you live in?
Sooner or later they will decide only straight white cis people are allowed to own guns.
Yup. This is why so many of us do not want a registry.
from social media posts it seems like maga vigilantes are already doxxing people they perceive as lgbt or even just slightly left of themselves that show up at any of their gun related establishments
Hey, just jumping in here because this does sound familiar. My nana was a Jew in Poland, born in 1923. She saw the writing on the wall and left for Ukraine and the next 5 years on a farm over there. She came back afterwards and found nothing left for her, and that’s how I’m now Australian - she went to Israel after the war, didn’t much like it and kept moving
Anyway, my point is get out while you still can. My nana was youngest of 7, and she lost 4 siblings. Don’t know what’s going to happen to you there. You can either stay and fight (one of her brothers was a officer in the red army) or just not deal with the bullshit and move on somewhere that you’ll be more accepted.
I’m sorry this is so crap but it feels familiar and I’m worried for you.
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Try seeking asylum. Get out while you can.
Is it too early to start claiming asylum in Canada?
Are you in an organization or a group that advocates violence against the government or your fellow Americans? If not, then probably nothing will change for you. If yes, leave that group. I’m supposing you’re already living in a blue state.
That site is trying to agitate you. Perhaps stay off of it. Just to be clear, I’m not saying they’re incorrect, just saying that it’s not improving your mental state.
A bunch of shit Nazis, obsessed with other people’s genitals.
They always were
This is a sad day. We all know this sprung from Charlie Kirk. A podcaster that got killed by a straight white male.
So, it makes perfect sense to target trans people. Fuck these bastards.
This was already in motion before the assassination. Kirk was literally in the process of claiming trans people are dangerous killers when he was murdered. The regime is just taking advantage of the assassination to accelerate a plan they were working on.
I said this before tonight but Kirk was a piece of shit, but he wasn’t just a podcaster. He was hugely influential in getting younger folks to lean heavily right. Like… this might be the biggest political assassination in our lifetimes. I heavily recommend the latest episode of the TrueAnon podcast if you don’t believe me. They cover the extent of his his evil reach much better than I can.
Exactly how would this work? They just going start arresting trans people for existing? Are we really going sit by while they just start rounding up citizens who have committed zero crimes?
This shit needs to be shut down before it starts.
ICE has already arrested citizens who have committed zero crimes. We are past the start.
Most of america has already been sitting by while non criminals are being rounded up.
They just going start arresting trans people for existing?
Well… Yeah. Remember how Trump wanted to be able to revoke citizenship?
Exactly how would this work? They just going start arresting trans people for existing?
These are Nazis. Yes.
I have never seen one media person ask a blue state representative: “how far would you let things go, specifically, before you would use state law enforcement to directly resist federal agents to protect your own citizens? How bad would things have to get before you were willing to start shooting people?”
Exactly how would this work? They just going start arresting trans people for existing?
There’s a dial under the hat of every ICE agent. They’ll just turn it from “Latino” to “Trans”.
They will be put in camps, deported and executed. Yes, America will sit idly while this happends.
Are we really going sit by while they just start rounding up citizens who have committed zero crimes?
Americans already are. This is happening right now, lots of people were legal green card holders and in many cases citizens.
Are we really going sit by while they just start rounding up citizens who have committed zero crimes?
They were for citizens who were kidnapped by ICE. And democrats won’t get out of bed to help anyone not named netanyahu.
whelp guess i gotta pull FBI aggro as a harmless cis white dude
i’m the president of anitfa over here
I’m also the antifa president
I am Spartacus
“I’m Brain, and so is my wife!”
I broke the dam!
Well if you start treating them like terrorists, some might choose that path. It is a very possible self-fulfilling prophecy. Especially when you threaten their lives like that.
That’s most likely the intention behind this. The right would be elated about news of actual trans terrorists.
Yeah, it’s a pretty classic move. Persecute a group of people until inevitably some of them fight back, then point at that to show “see, they’re violent, so we have to crush them out of existence with as much cruelty as possible!”
Been watching this playbook in real-time in Palestine my entire life.
And they’d still be a republican
Trans people do not seem like a threat.
neither were/are gay/bi people. Still got thrown in prison for the last few hundred years for daring to love.
our existence is a threat to traditional gender roles and family structure. the real thing they fear is “social contagion” - that trans kids will see us living happy lives, and realize they can transition too. they’re afraid of gay people for similar reasons, but physical transition is a whole new level - they have a visceral reaction against it, like their innocent child has been irrevocably, physically corrupted.
they realized that using their existing levers of power (cutting off funding, changing curriculum, ID laws etc.) won’t do shit: we can DIY hormones, socialize on the internet and look out for each other. so now they become increasingly authoritarian, hence designating us as “domestic extremists” and calling for our forced institutionalization.
the Heritage foundation is handling us like the SCP foundation handles a Keter-class anomaly.
our existence is a threat to traditional gender roles and family structure.
No, those are the euphemisms the fascists use. The word you’re really looking for is “patriarchy”.
Don’t let the enemy control the conversation.
Not to anything that doesnt deserve to burn, no.
But…
And yet this will not be the first time we suffer for the sins of cis people
Hey, just like the NAZIs.
JD Vance is a domestic threat.
The entire gop. Insert “we are all domestic terrorists . Gif”
This?
Bingpot
Were you too lazy or too scared to post it?
I didn’t have the image, I wrote the words though
Careful that’s on the list of things you can’t say about Republicans anymore
“You don’t call us fascist, it is WE who will call YOU fascist, even if that makes zero sense! But you properly calling us out for years really hurt our feelings and it’s totally UNLEGAL now!” -conservatives
(or like Otto said: “You’re the vulgarian, YOU FUCK! Now apologize!”
“The land of the free and the home of the brave” my a$$, dear us citizens
Land of the thief, home of the slave
“A right wing podcaster got killed by a fan of another right wing podcaster, which is why we’re declaring that trans people are terrorists.”
Iraq war logic, Nazi edition.
Surely now democrats will stand up for trans people.
They’d have to stand up for themselves first.
Oh they do that plenty. Against the left.
You need a spine to stand
democrats are useless fucks. they are so fucking impotent and complacent it makes me want to puke.
democrats are useless fucks.
Unless your name is netanyahu. Then they’ll ignore the Leahy law to make sure you get everything you need to genocide Palestinians for them.
In all other things, you can count on them to make up some procedural bullshit to stand in their own way.
Best they’ll do is offer to paint a 🌈 on the side of a UAV.
We did it, Reddit!
Kamala will keep saying “I’ll follow the law” on trans people, as she enforces the law sending us all to camps.
It won’t let me edit, so I’ll reply instead:
“EDIT”: Nope. They’re blaming people who spoke out against genocide, regardless of how they voted. Like always. We were all there for the 2024 election. Everyone saw the constant barrage of vicious attacks from the right against trans people. The silence from democrats was more deafening than Krakatoa. And now democratic think tanks are starting to talk about dropping even the fake solidarity with trans people.
With stern letters.
sure, just gotta wait for the committee to roll out where all the Dems can sit on it and spew awesome quotes for the media and then do…jack all.
OR they’ll utilize the system that the GOP have pretty but shown to completely ignore.
OR Americans maybe can FINALLY stand up and protect their fellow Americans that are now under attack and are at valid risk of being executed en masse.
lol who am I kidding, we know NONE of this is going to happen.
