Trump: convicted rapist, pedophile, misogynistic swine. Also failed businessman, pathological liar, corrupt to all hell. Sellout to Russia and the Nazis.
Harris: didn’t condemn Israel.
Fuck off ‘both sides’-ers
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👏 bravo
A vote for Trump is a vote to end America. It really is that simple. If there is one thing I hope future generations rally around and condemn is Trump voters. I hope they are shamed for eternity.
America won’t disappear because some elderly man is throwing tantrums every day.
If that’s all you think it is then you’ve been under a rock.
Clearly the world is burning down. Not much has changed besides things being a bit more expensive.
And, you know, the dissolving of rights, kidnapping immigrants, putting children in handcuffs, the openly fascist plan being played out that just hit the 50% goal of destroying our government and replacing it with fascist theocracy, but yeah, pretty much the same as always, right?
Basically.
You’re the type of guy that’s going to throw the biggest fit when things finally impact you lol
I wish Lemmy had a remind me bot so I could come back to this comment in 6 months. It takes time for Trade and Tourism to drop off, and more time for the effects of that to be noticed by the average citizen who is having the reality of the situation hidden from them by the propaganda machine of the oligarchs.
We started realizing it on Friday but then Mango Mussolini shot the messenger.
@remindme@mstdn.social 6 months
@grue Ok, I will remind you on Thursday Feb 5, 2026 at 10:14 PM UTC.
America won’t disappear in 6 months either even if you are right.
And the Earth won’t disappear if we do nothing about global warming. It will just become uninhabital for human life.
So sure, the land mass will still exist, but maybe raise the bar a little bit…
I mean, I know this isn’t the point, but humans won’t go extinct then either.
Right. There will be small desperate colonies trying to figure out how to survive underground/in space, but humans won’t be extinct.
Raise. The fucking. Bar. A little.
This resigned nihilism is why we’re here in this situation, wishing we could smack people like you through the screen somehow.
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Something will happen but honestly I have no idea what the “sides” will be.
A lot of what made the US a superpower has already disappeared. Its alliances with Europe and the Commonwealth. Its influence on global trade. Its influence on global institutions. Its soft power through things like USAID.
This this this this this this this this.
I have zero goddamn sympathy for any so-called “leftist” who didn’t vote for Kamala. You have condoned neo-facism to stroke your own ego. No two ways about it. At least now they get to enjoy the fruits of their labor. Tell me, how’s that self-righteousness taste?
Harris assured Trump voters that nothing would fundamentally change. The Democratic party is sitting on their thumbs while the fascists are taking over. Electoral politics don’t save us from fascism.
I mean our only choices are Facists and cowardly facist enablers. Both sides really do suck…
Truly. It’s like having to choose between a punch in the mouth or having your skin shredded off with a cheese grater.
Like, i don’t want either of those things. Someone please choose for me.
I guess punch in the mouth? It doesn’t matter. Ppl are so tired of getting punched in the mouth they gave the cheese grater a try and did a lot of dmg.
Yes, I agree with that, how have you been lately
Meh 🤷♂️ living till I’m dying. Thx for asking !!! Have a nice day
Nice, it’s definitely a great day, I hope you are too, maybe we can talk
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You can make the point about trump being a criminally weirdo pervert fake businessman without misrepresenting (and therefore failing to learn from) the 2024 election.
Harris kicked tent poles out of the Big Tent™. This includes immigration (low latino turnout). It seems unserious to say it was just the blind eye to Israel’s genocide that lost the election, i haven’t seen a piece of evidence that bore out the genocide as Kamala’s sole reason for losing the popular vote.
Its also the case that republicans spend literally billions more on media and it leads to them dominating online spaces with pure spam. Online posting is never a substitute for knocking on doors, a thing the Kamala campaign failed to do sufficiently.
DNC apologists always being like “well they were trying to recruit more bigots” and then act surprised when the bigots and their overwhelming piles of media cash chase voters out of the Big Tent
Why are you separating russia and israel? Both are fascist states.
Well to be fair, Trump wanted to cooperate with Israel on a beach resort in Gaza, whereas Harris was just afraid of saying Israel bad, because Israel buys a fucktonne of weapons from the US and a big part of the country is ridiculously pro-israel.
Kamala has no spine, she loves genocide.
What’s Trump done for you that you’re such a huge fan of his lmao
Trump didn’t stop genocide. In fact it’s markedly worse under him. This is more complex than one issue.
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Oh, you didn’t get the memo? Everyone has always opposed Israel now.
I guess outward fascism towards the 3rd world, and inward fascism towards the USA’s own population seem like different things to you.
Trump’s doing both, while Kamala sure as hell would have ensured the former.
We cannot live this contradiction in the USA anymore. Freedom and diversity for Americans means freedom and diversity for all humans. I’m so sick and tired of centrist liberals defending this corrupt USA that perpetuates the enslavement of the third world.
I guess outward fascism towards the 3rd world, and inward fascism towards the USA’s own population seem like different things to you.
Whatever bullshit you have to tell yourself to sleep at night.
There’s no such thing as “inward” or “outward” fascism. You’re just making shit up.
It’s just fascism, and your inaction has directly led to it. Well done.
Edit: here’s one lovely reply to this comment that was removed. Totally normal. And let’s be clear, I have not denied nor supported any genocide, I simply said that fascism is fascism and you don’t break it into “internal” and “external”, and this is what someone feels they need to say to me:
God I want to feel the hardness of your skull as I punch you repeatedly again and again, ignoring you painal scream as I fucking stab you over and over.
Genociders deserve death.
Here’s their profile: https://thelemmy.club/u/wowAnotherPos
Normal stuff. Comment is deleted, but still has 2 points.
This is because I’m angry at people who refused to vote for Kamala. That means I deserve to be violently stabbed to death apparently.
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Is it not liberals’ agenda to retain some semblance of civil rights, while at the same time upholding foreign policy?
Gay Nazis are still Nazis.
You’re dreaming of a state of affairs that doesn’t exist.
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds
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You’re right, liberalism doesn’t compare to fascism.
All it does is enable it though, which according to you shitlibs, is just as bad as the fascists themselves.
Why not adopt progressive politics that actually fight against the forces that incubate fascist states?
Why not adopt progressive politics that actually fight against the forces that incubate fascist states?
Who are you talking to? Do you think I need to be a liberal in order to be able to state the obvious that they’re different than fascists?
Trump’s doing both, while Kamala sure as hell would have ensured the former
Harris would’ve continued status quo, yes. But Trump wants to accelerate it. He wants all Palestinians out of Gaza so he can build a beach resort where their homes used to be. There is a non-zero chance of American boots on ground to help clear out any remaining Palestinians.
Good thing in the years leading up to October 7th, when Democrats were in office, we couldn’t force Israel to adopt a one-state solution.
Obama, Biden, Harris, they’re all complicit in the aggressive approach of Israel towards the apartheid and genocide they commit today.
And not just today. For the past 75+ years
Kamala will never beat Trump, shes crazy unpopular and neoliberalism is dead. You need an opposition to fascism, pretty simple.
No shit, but it wasn’t available to vote for in the election. We can’t vote with hopes and dreams because our system is fucked. All we can pick is the lesser of two evils.
And I’m telling you that lesser of two evils will never beat Trump or fascism, full stop. You want to win you need actual opposition. Like you mentioned Mamdani, theres a reason he won handily.
I agree with you. There needs to be a real option to get anywhere. We’ve been circling the drain too long. And the DNC is ensuring it stays that way by keeping out real challengers. It’s maddening.
Why wasn’t it available to vote for in the election?
Oh right, because the one-term, transitional candidate Joe Brandon wanted his second term, and then rightfully got fucked in the debate with Trump.
If Democrats understood Trump’s threat to Democracy truly, they would have had primaries in 2024. Instead we got establishment picks that robbed our civic participation
Yes we have to pick the lesser of two evils in that moment, but for all the other moments leading up to the general and primary, like right now, Democrats could have ran a better candidate.
But they didn’t. And they aren’t right now.
Hopes and dreams are perfectly valid right now to throw out the establishment and start campaigning for candidates that don’t take AIPAC money
I would love to see the DNC destroyed. They’ve been at the forefront of shoveling fascist lite candidates in front.
Hoping I get to vote for a Mamdani or similar in the future.
Well of course she wouldn’t, she’s a woman and America is crazy sexist.
Biden did, with nothing but neoliberalism and status quo. So there, Americans want neoliberalism, they just don’t want a woman in charge.
Americans want neoliberalism, they just don’t want a woman in charge.
neoliberals want neoliberalism and they pretend that harris lost because she’s a woman in order to shut out AOC.
Some 67% of Gen Z white men voted Trump thanks to the manosphere influencers but go off on how America isn’t growing increasingly sexist lol
Oh, it’s increasingly sexist all right. Democrats are now saying that women can’t win because they don’t want a particular woman to run.
She offered no policy to Americans except “Trump is worse.” She will never beat Trump or fascism. Americans want fascism , fascism lite doesnt beat fascism. You want to beat fascism you need opposition
Less than a third want fascism, and even then, some people that voted for Trump are getting their faces eaten by leopards.
We need progressive opposition politicians that can speak to what Americans want: affordability, equity, health care.
Harris advocated for limited government control of grocery and food prices, a cap on prescription drug costs, and expansion of the child tax credit.[17][18] On immigration, Harris supported increasing the number of Border Patrol agents and reforming the immigration system. On foreign policy, she supported continued military aid to Ukraine and Israel in their respective wars, but insisted that Israel should agree to a ceasefire and hostage deal and work towards a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Straight off Wikipedia because I’m not going to find better sources for a troll.
Not a fan of some of those (Immigration and continued support of Israel), but you can’t tell me that moderate government control over the fast-rising grocery prices or a cap on prescription drug costs is a bad thing? Also while the republican solution to a lack of children being born is to outlaw abortions and sex ed, she planned a large tax credit you’d get for having a newborn. How is that not a better solution to the birth crisis the conservatives are yelling about?
Hopefully he accelerates it so quickly that Americans will actually push back. And if they still aren’t convinced to arm themselves and take to the streets at least they may start to use all their sick time and vacation time.
Lol at Americans pushing back at a genocide happening in another country
Never going to happen. It’ll just be a more thorough and fast genocide with increased US government support. The primary difference is that now there’s going to be TWO genocides because latinos in the US are another target. But of course Trump isn’t any worse than Harris.
I meant the acceleration into facism that would impact people’s lives. I agree, Americans (in general) won’t do anything too uncomfortable to defend people somewhere else. If he starts rounding up and killing Latinos I think there’d be a but more of a fuss.
But will there?
At this rate it seems there’s two types of Latinos in the US. The progressive ones and the “Fuck you, got mine” ones that actively hate Latinos. Latinos for Trump is actively going to cheer as he rounds up and kills Latinos, as “we’re the good ones, he’s only killing the terrorists/illegals/etc”.
I’m so sick and tired of centrist liberals defending this corrupt USA that perpetuates the enslavement of the third world.
Luckily thanks to you and others like you they lost. Yay! Good job!
Now what?
Centrism will never bear fascism, you need actual opposition. Crazy how you all still dont realize this yet? How long will it take?
What do you mean, “you all”? I’m not American.
What does your reading comprehension level have to do with being American lmao
Mostly that “centrism” means a completely different thing in a working democracy with more than one and a half parties. It’s super common for Americans to view the whole world from the limited perspective of their screwed up politics, ignorant and unwilling to learn of how things are elsewhere.
Now what?
Now you get to ignorantly blame progressives for what was, ultimately, a Democrat policy failure. Bonus - doing so drives a wedge between Democrats! Yay! Good job!
Now how about you do something fucking constructive.
Luckily thanks to you and liberals like you, instead of fighting back against the GOP in the 2 times these last 20 years where Democrats have had SUPER MAJORITIES in Congress, you passed half measures while playing identity politics.
We could have had meaningful, material improvements to people’s lives, a good marker of de-escalation of violence, but instead the DNC, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and liberals clung to their monopoly on the only counter party to the fascists we have.
You all are still coping that you lost the 2024 election, and you’re rutterless as to why
I have a clue: see what makes Zohran Mamdani so popular in New York. It has to do with rejecting the Democratic establishment and all the billionaire donors that back it
The irritating thing here is that so many people think we had other options available to vote for. I TRIED to vote for Bernie, DNC made sure that didn’t happen, I WANT to vote for someone that doesn’t support genocide, I WANT a candidate that says fuck Democrats, fuck Republicans, we are heading to the left full steam ahead. But that was never on the fucking ballot. And even if they were, we need all the sitting representatives and senators to be ousted too or they will have zero support institutionally and still get nothing done despite their position.
I don’t even live in the USA, fuck off with this bullshit.
Stay out of our fucking politics then!!
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Yeah supporting genocide makes you unpopular crazy! surprise surprise fascism lite wont beat fascism. Kamala Harris will never beat Trump sorry
Wow. You really thought no accomplishments but arming a genocide was a winning message, huh?
Perfect is the enemy of better than the worst option
Don’t bother. This guy doesn’t live in your reality.
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Your idea of perfection couldn’t run. After all, he’s the Israeli prime minister.
Fuck Bibi too, but “nothing will change” is a whole fucking lot better than concentration camps in Florida and El Salvador.
And it’s why I voted for harris. But I also understand that the prospect of “the best you can get” being an endless continuation of an untenable status quo that was trending worse even under a democratic president is why people stayed home.
Beginning to question the inherent wisdom of “Normal transition of power” when Biden handed the keys of the kingdom to a guy who openly planned to lock all the doors and shoot the next guy elected to walk through them.
But hey, I guess it would have been against the rules not to meekly empower a fascist dictatorship.
Probably what will happen is anyone who might challenge them will suddenly be arrested on Trumped-Up charges.
I hope you are being cheeky by saying ‘beginning to’, it was immensely obvious this was the plan going back to, at bare minimum, about a year before the election, when Trump just kept saying he was gonna serve 3 terms, his supporters wouldn’t have to vote again, etc.
I disagree with Biden’s handling of the transition, but it’s definitely internally consistent with his beliefs. He really, really wanted the global rule of law to work.
I would not be surprised if part of the intention here was to maintain legitimacy during the initial transfer, so that when the monsters refuse to do the same, it will lend legitimacy to a global response to assist the people in reclaiming their democracy.
Now, you could also call that ‘passing the buck’ and… Well, yes. He did seem to do too much of that, imo. Or not enough, depending on how you look at it.
He really, really wanted the global rule of law to work.
Hence backing Al Qaeda in Syria, fleecing Afghanistan of it’s currency reserves to kick off a famine, propping up a military dictatorship in The Philippines, all while continuing a 70 year old illegal blockade of Cuba? Never even mind the Holocaust in Gaza.
Come on, dude. The US has always been playing Calvinball with Rule of Law. If Biden made noises about it, that’s just him delivering the company line one last time to the liberal rubes.
when the monsters refuse to do the same, it will lend legitimacy to a global response to assist the people in reclaiming their democracy.
That’s pure cope.
Biden bent over backwards for the Silicon Valley mega-donors practically from day one, and they took full advantage until he was used up and disposed of.
He wasn’t secretly plotting a resistance movement, he was carving up the country in advance so that Trump could sell it off easier.
To clarify, I am not a Biden supporter by any means. In fact, I place a lot of the blame for the fucked state of the world right now squarely on his shoulders. It would not be a stretch to say that I harbor a deep resentment for the man’s work.
However, I do think there’s a lot to learn from his career. Because as far as I can tell, the man genuinely seemed to be trying to improve the world for the average person. Thus, he clearly fucked up catastrophically, and there’s a lot to learn from how and why.
The US disregard of the Rule of Law historically seemed to be one of his personal bugbears. At least from what I’ve seen of his accounts and those around them. I won’t judge you if you want to discard him as a bumbling hypocrite, but we can learn the most from failure.
He really, really wanted the global rule of law to work.
No, Biden did not. He actively broke it by financing Israel’s genocide against international and domestic law.
Sorry US law, that’s where the US can do whatever it wants in the rest of the world but at home there is a rule book (allegedly)
I do find it strange that the people down voting are more upset about someone pointing out how Biden broke International and Domestic (Leahy) Law to finance a genocide than the actual genocide itself
You’re right, that was awful and idealogically-rooted behavior justified in the name of liberal statecraft.
US support of Israel is a huge problem, and needs to stop. I am with you, and he should be held accountable for the part he played in that.
I love these comments that always place the blame on Biden, instead of you know, the actual fucking fascists. JFC.
For the record, the “actual fucking fascists” didn’t materialize during this last election, or the one before it, or the one before it… etc. I remember when the dems campaigned on “no human is illegal” in 2016 but by time of this last cycle, they were capitulating on immigration and the border to attract the elusive moderate republican to vote democrat… a strategy that failed our democracy in the end.
I think it is because you can’t reason with these idiot fascists, but we could have reasoned with Biden.
So what. You wanted a dictatorship to stop a dictatorship. Once the normal transition of power is not followed its game over for our democracy.
Once the normal transition of power is not followed its game over for our democracy.
Once people who’ve sworn to end democracy are given the power to end democracy, then it’s game over for democracy.
Preventing a corrupt criminal who’s a known agent of a hostile foreign powers from becoming president is a healthy thing to do.
If the electorate in a democracy want to end democracy, then it’s game over. You can’t save that.
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As would be preventing officials voted into office in a democracy but sooner. There is still a chance as of now as he has not stopped elections yet.
nah, it’s over. It was gg for elections in November, and so many people like you didn’t realize this. It’s to late to prevent this. All we can do now is rebuild.
We realize and so do you since you talk of rebuilding.
Congratulations, you just discovered the paradox of tolerance.
And, yeah, essentially, in order to survive, a democratic society cannot allow those who seek to destroy it to participate in the democratic process.
Nope. I have been aware of the paradox of tolerance for awhile and its a little shoehorning to put this situation into it. Your talking about a case of allowing an elected official to take office not tolerating speech.
An elected official who repeatedly stated and demonstrated his intention of preventing any future elections and destroying democracy.
An elected official, therefore, who should never have been allowed to run for office in the first place (this isn’t the only reason he shouldn’t have been allowed, of course, in a sane country he’d also been unelectable due to his criminal record, lack of any semblance of mental health, and intellectual insufficiency, but it’s the most important).
Ill agree he should not have been able to run but that was a failure of congress or in other words other people elected under the democracy to office. Not allowing him to run would have been great but not allowing him to take office when elected would be disastrous.
not allowing him to take office when elected would be disastrous
It would have been many orders of magnitude less disastrous than the alternative.
Sure, cutting off your cancerous hand would’ve been traumatic. But survivable.
Now, however, said hand is so far up your arse that it’s ripped apart your colon in several places and you’re bleeding to death while experiencing horrible agony, and spraying all your neighbours with blood and feces.
You could have recovered from getting rid of Trump, but there’s no coming back from what you’ve allowed him to do to your country, and the world.
No. No it would not have. Your talking about doing something trump has not done yet. It would accelerate the problems by putting us at worse case in january of 2025 rather than in late 2026.
You wanted a dictatorship to stop a dictatorship.
Given the current state of affairs, I’m not clear how a Permanent Biden-o-cracy was supposed to be worse.
Once the normal transition of power is not followed its game over for our democracy.
Well, thank god we don’t officially lose our Democracy for another eighteen months.
its worse because it would be 18 months sooner. Its like climate change. It won’t help if we were at 5 degrees now instead of 1.5. That would not fix it.
Its like climate change.
Weird you would mention that in the context of a presidency that’s effectively set himself to the task of nationally Rolling Coal.
its hard to mention anything he is not making worse.
I wanted the traitor coward Merrick Garland to do his motherfucking job and prosecute that POS and throw him in federal prison while making him completely unable to appear on any ballot.
Thanks for asking.
Garland did what he was hired to do. He slow walked the investigations so biden could run against trump again because biden knew he couldn’t beat anyone better.
That’s right, if it’s allowed to happen, it’s pretty hard to come back from that
You wanted a dictatorship to stop a dictatorship.
[citation needed]
biden was happy as long as netanyahu was happy.
“How dare you break the laws - we should have broken the laws to stop you from breaking the laws.”
This, but unironically.
What a stupid argument. Like Biden refusing to cede power to an elected opponent wouldn’t be one of the largest abuses of power in US history.
It would.
It would also be several orders of magnitude less harmful than everything Trump’s done.
OMG no 🤣. It would have sent the nation into chaos!
Which would have been several orders of magnitude less harmful than everything Trump has done (which includes sending the nation into chaos anyway).
blue maga is ridiculous. 🙄
All Biden needed to do was have Trump assassinated - as an official presidential action, it would have been perfectly legal according to Trump’s precedent.
Follow that up with a “Y’all see why this is maybe not the greatest idea to give the ol’ prez this much power? Repeal it, then I’ma fuck off to some beach somewhere.”
Boom. Democracy saved, all without breaking the law.
Not sure I get it, but user name do indeed check out.
Probably the pertinent bit: “Sulla revived the office of dictator, which had been dormant since the Second Punic War, over a century before. He used his powers to purge his opponents (“Sulla’s proscription”), and reform Roman constitutional laws, to restore the primacy of the Senate and limit the power of the tribunes of the plebs. Resigning his dictatorship in 79 BC, Sulla retired to private life and died the following year. Later political leaders such as Julius Caesar followed the precedent set by Sulla with his military coup to attain political power through force.”
Dude made himself dictator, reformed laws, purged his political rivals then gave it all up to go live in his villa once he felt he’d achieved his goals of putting the republic back on the rails. Julius Caesar later remarked that the one mistake Sulla made was that he gave up the power he had seized.
Oh gotcha. Guess I skimmed right passed that bit. But yeah, pretty much that exactly, except the whole dictator can of worms is already open.
How would it have been breaking the law? According to the Supreme Court long before the election, any act a President does while in office is legal.
Just because something is legal doesn’t make it right, and just because it’s illegal doesn’t mean that it’s the right thing to do. It’s illegal to donate or hand out food from your garden to the homeless - as pertains to the law stating that it’s illegal to provide a better service than the government.
Uh huh.
It’s a civil war.
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That’s what they’ve been counting on. From over a year ago…
Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts said that the country is in the midst of a “second American Revolution” that will be bloodless “if the left allows it to be.”
I wish, but I don’t have faith that enough liberal interests will give a shit. They’ve done little to stand against fascism and have sided with corporate interests every time.
Civil wars aren’t typically fought by politicians. It’s up to regular people.
Regular people who have been pacified by a lifetime of “violence isn’t the answer” and “if you fight back, you’re just as bad.” I hope we find the will to resist, but I worry we’re too far gone.
So buy a gun. I did.
It’s like voting; obviously all I can control is my own actions, so I’ll do what I can, but if too many people stay home our chances drop significantly.
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Protect you and yours until you find your John Connor.
It’ll take time for good people to lose the “anti-violence” dogma, but it’ll happen; if only because it because it becomes an unavoidable fact of life.
All it takes is 3%. We have the people.
The question really is what % of the army will support Trump. They already made sure that the top brass is full of Trump loyalists.
This is what Alligator Auschwitz is really for.
America, your opportunity to stop this is narrowing and walking around with signs once a month on a weekend isn’t gonna do it.
Every week, more people show up. I’m involved in local politics besides.
You’re slamming people for being involved. They are doing something being out there.
Forming connections at low stakes events like protests is exactly what people need to do. That lot talks like anyone who doesn’t buy an AK and a red beret first thing is just wasting time.
Those people have been watching too many Hollywood movies. The next step after a protest march isn’t going in guns blazing. It’s holding an actual protest where you shut things down. Look at how the French do it. Organize. Resist. Disobey. Disrupt.
But work
But general strike
Dont forget your protest permits!
I’m not slamming people for being involved. I’m slamming them for being ineffectual. A sign isn’t going to stop a determined fascist.
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That was a very weird article…
To the point I googled the source and apparently it’s a 90 year old Maxist-Leninist newspaper. Which kind of explains the writing style and lack of sources.
They do have “left” lean, but it always feels off because those people also are super into authoritarianism. So it’s less about presenting enough for someone to understand and form an opinion, and more like telling their readers an opinion along with a few facts that were found after the fact to be used to defend it.
To be clear; Trump’s 1500% going to try and steal the election, but everyone already knows that. There is zero new information on the article and I’m pretty sure everyone that didn’t vote for trump has came to the same conclusion…
Marxist/Leninists writing just always gives me something like the uncanny valley feeling. I don’t care how it’s dressed up, or if the person speaking/writing agrees with my existing opinion, I can’t fucking stand them. I guess it’s “the ick”
Better sources have been covering all of this for months already.
Good news, you’ll never have to feel the ick of an equitable economy or being part of a society that prioritizes the wellbeing of its citizenry over GDP here in the west.
Phew amirite? Enjoy capitalist paradise! Participation is voluntary*
*voluntary participation subject to dying in the gutter of exposure and capital defense force brutality if poor citizen fails to volunteer for capitalist exploitation. The owner class reserves all rights to kill you anyway if you threaten quarterly earnings estimates such as drawing on Healthcare benefits you paid into when you need to use them.
Nah. I’m an actual communist
My policy positions make Vladimir Lenin look like Hillary Clinton.
My problem with Marxist-Leninists, is the authoritarianism, which is the worst part about trump too.
Does it make sense now?
I think authoritarianism is bad, and even if an authoritarian agrees with me on every aspect of policy, I’ll never be on their side.
It’s a difference at a fundamental level.
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As simple as possible, they topped out at what people need to survive, a giant population of people getting just enough to live and work, to support a ruling class of politicians who were essentially oligarchs.
I think everyone should have enough to be comfortable because without that life is still miserable for 99.99% of the population, it’s switching out one ruling class for another.
That’s not a win, it’s not changing the game. It’s shuffling the cards and playing the same game we know isn’t good.
Anything like anarcho-syndicalism?
Not even sure what that is, but anyone wanti g anarchism likely doesn’t know what that means.
Like, if there’s anarcho-luddittes out there who thinks we should completely destroy society and go back to living in the forest in tribes of ~150 people…
I wouldnt agree with them that it’s the best path, but I wouldn’t consider them hypocritical because at least they understand where anarchism would lead and are being honest about it
For everything else with “anarcho” tacked on the front, I feel it’s safe to say I’d disagree with them without looking into what they’re about.
I did go ahead and Google that before hitting reply, just to be safe since I honestly hadn’t heard that term before.
And that’s just putting trade unions in charge, which would end up the same as any other ruling class.
I’m saying there shouldn’t be a ruling class at all.
Claims to be a communist, but has no clue about anarchists. Many of whom are actual communist/Marxist. Sure buddy, you’re a super mega communist.
Anarcho-syndicalism advocates for a society without hierarchical structures, achieved through the power of worker-led trade unions BTW.
Oh yes that old capitalist Chestnut smearing the ludites. Very communist of you. Do you know who the Luddites were? How based they were? Do you understand how badly we actually need luddites right now?
You would really do yourself a service, not by reading dense tomes of theory. But by reading a few freaking basic paragraphs of description on a Wikipedia page.
Thank you for taking up this discussion. I am not able to make long posts at this time. I appreciate you.
Anarcho-syndicalism advocates for a society without hierarchical structures
No, it replaces what’s currently at the top with a trade union…
Something where people vote for their leaders. It would be the same as we have now almost immediately.
Are you even in a union? Do you have any idea how they work or how often corrupt assholes get leadership positions for the sole purpose of personally enriching themselves?
Like, I know I just said that I’m aware I underestimate others but…
C’mon man, you legitimately don’t understand how that would result in a system identical to any other party based political system?
You don’t understand how fast they’d throw their origins out the window?
No, it replaces what’s currently at the top with a trade union.
Something where people vote for their leaders. It would be the same as we have now almost immediately.
Even if it did it would literally be better than what we have now. But no that’s incorrect. It’s literally about doing away with what is considered the top. And replacing it with local answerable flat representation. Using the power of labor and the Unions to achieve that for Syndicalists. Or by other means for the other subset of anarchists, direct action etc.
Are you even in a union?
SEIU, mother was with the teamsters and my father with the pipelines.
Do you have any idea how they work or how often corrupt assholes get leadership positions for the sole purpose of personally enriching themselves?
Yes, and? So are you advocating to abolish unions just like the capitalists? Not even the nutty Leninist do that. They just rig things to get their puppets in place. Corruption can happen anywhere, with anyone. Corruption isn’t an inherent feature of unions.
Like, I know I just said that I’m aware I underestimate others but…
C’mon man, you legitimately don’t understand how that would result in a system identical to any other party based political system?
You don’t understand how fast they’d throw their origins out the window?
You don’t underestimate others. You far overestimate yourself. The whole point of anarchism. From the most extreme to the most milquetoast. Is literally doing away with those unanswerable hierarchy protected leaders. Flat, local, minimal governance of the consenting. Nothing more, nothing less.
It’s got nothing to do with your other straw man of destroying society. Nothing at all. It’s about not having a fascistic national federal government forcing their whims down your throat through a monopoly on violence. It’s about some shit head governor who’s never been to your town and doesn’t give a shit about your town not being able to do the same to your town. It’s about those who actually use the means of production having a say on them. It’s about you and your neighbors deciding the rules you live by. And not someone that you have no say in at the state or federal level.
If you actually were a communist, you’d understand this. Especially if you were anti-authoritarian. Most anti-authoritarian communist realistically are going to tend to align anarcho communist. The sad thing is though. I think you are actually capable of understanding this. But contrary to the username you’ve chosen you actually just don’t give a shit.
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The article says the constitution say a president can’t change voting rules, but this president has the house, the senate and the judges.
Which he probably only has control of because of voter fraud
True, but now who’s going to do anything about it?
States control voting so he’s going to have a fight in at least some of them.
Yeah but how many does it actually take?
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Revealed? Did no one read Project 2025m
Nobody reads anything longer than a paragraph, nobody watches anything longer than a youtube short linked on facebook.
We are here because we allowed comfort and convenience to rot all our collective brains. We are all accountable, we all had a role to play, even if tiny. We could have rallied together, we could have pushed community action and worked harder to preserve progressive ideology. We could have stopped giving so much freedom to the people trying to take away all our freedom. We could have stopped buying shiny new phones and cars and demanded products that last and union protections for our workers.
But no, we thought it was funny when 4channers started screaming about how evil feminists were and laughed it off instead of having their nests burnt down and we instead started our decades-long obsession scrolling for dopamine instead of involving ourselves with the people who run our communities.
If we had claimed the flag, if we had been the ones screaming about our rights to own guns and how we wanted to make america great, if we had been the ones getting arrested for plowing our cars into groups of nazis, we would be the ones with the muscle right now setting social policy. But just saying that is probably setting off some of ya’ll and that’s what the problem is.
I promise you, the other side isn’t balking at rhetoric like that and are actively encouraging it, and have won every round because of it.
You never heard of YouTube summaries or are you too smart for that?
Idc what you have to say with that shitty ‘im smarter than everyone else’ attitude. You’re not.
Boasting about using youtube summaries is not the flex you think it is.
I would let you know at this point you’re blocked, but I have a strong feeling you stopped reading after the first paragraph and said “I ain’t readin all that.”
Honestly, it felt like reading Alice in wonderland on crack. By the time I got to the end it was all so fucking crazy I couldn’t remember most of what was in it
Anyone who is surprised hasn’t been paying attention.
I’m surprised it took them a few months to realise, it was obvious since before the election
I believe this is right, I am never surprised by this, for Trump anything is possible
JuSt VoTe NeXt TiMe!!!
And every time I tell people we won’t get a vote they laugh at me. Holy fuck, people just don’t get how severe and horrible this administration is. We can’t remove them for abuse of law, we can barely counter their worst abuses just to have them win in the end, and we’re about to have them as dictators for life with no voting.
I honestly think the only solution is to leave this damned country. But guess what, unless you have a decent amount of money, that’s out, too.
We’re fucked
The problem is so much worse than voting. The last two election cycles showed the highest turnout of voters and young voters in recorded American history.
The problem was not that nobody voted, the problem was the voters had no idea what was going on or who to vote for because all our collective brains have scrolled right out our ears and people have atomized perspectives and don’t interact with each other anymore, allowing our nation to curdle, to fester into a million little sub-groups where you face no challenges, no backlash, no accountability and your every delusion will have a fanbase.
We did all this while POURING money into the industrial complexes that only seek to sell you marginally better products that fall apart of become obsolete within a few years, powering the corporations that own our politicians.
The average median voter has no idea what’s real or not, has no interest in policy, has no idea how policy even works or what our branches of government are, and has been scrolling for so long that they don’t know how to be alone with their own thoughts. That’s why Trump and his ilk are shredding the country apart right now. We didn’t fight the idiots hard enough because we weren’t social and involved enough to make them feel shame. We could have used shame as our mightiest weapon because they are radically insecure and scared of being shamed, but apparently our side was equally scared, so the dumb billionaires with too much wealth to even feel shame won out in the end.
Holy fuck, people just don’t get how severe and horrible this administration is.
People used to say that Steve Jobs had a reality distortion field, but I think Trump is a thousand times worse.
It’s so bad and the standards are so different between him and just about anybody else, sometimes the 0.01% chance that he’s the world’s best actor rather than an idiot and/or Russian asset scares me even more.
Your country has more guns than people. Do something about it.
It has more guns than people because everyone that would shoot and kill for Trump has 13 guns.
Yes, I don’t think Trump will lead America to a better life, he will only lead the rich to a richer position, so we need to seize the opportunity to make ourselves rich
Lol, anyone in a position to seize the opportunity to enrich themselves is already extremely privileged. Most of us live paycheck to paycheck and many have to supplement those paychecks with credit. We aren’t seizing shit.
Yes, but now the cryptocurrency market promoted by Trump is indeed a good option as well
You can buy guns on credit, you can also go massively in debt and keep your guns, eventually they’ll no longer be able to take you to court, this is definitely not life advice though.
True, then I could have guns and no credit. I could be one of those people who tries to barter my guns for various goods on Craigslist.
trump is getting more and more desperate as the days go on, when epstein files arnt released, and mounting pressure and more evidence showing up about his pedophelia, the tariffs arnt really distracting as it use to be, Also its not like elections were free or fair to begin with, significant tampering has been done by the gop on local,state and presidential for a while.
Trump figured out that there is nothing he cannot do. A little boo hop from the public and everybody moves on. He has proved that he is above the law and he damn well knows it. The 2nd greatest cult in history gives so much power to its leader and he knows it. Only Congress has power collectively to stop him and they already checked out of all morality and righteous authority in USA government a long time ago.
Guys. Come to terms with this. Just as the world came to terms with it 80 years ago with Germany. We are heading down that tunnel there is only one outcome of this. It gets much much worse before the actual tipping point happens.
I don’t want to live in the world after that event. It will take decades to rebuild, if not centuries for the nuclear toxicity to return to safe levels.
MAGAts are traitors so I would expect nothing less.
No shock there. He told his supporters they’d never have to vote again.
Buy guns. Buy ammo. Help others acquire guns and ammo.
Train. Help others train.
Form networks.
When voting with your voice doesn’t work, and voting with your money doesn’t work, all that left to vote with, is lead.
So when that doesn’t work, then what?
If lead isn’t working, you haven’t used enough of it. Can’t have a problem if the problem-makers are all dead to a man. Or if necessary, to a child.
What if the problem makers are holed up in a bunker thousands of miles away remotely sending drones to kill you? How much lead does that take?
I suppose in that case you lay siege and starve them out. Cut off all materials in our out. Supplies run out, and so do million dollar weapons, eventually. Ideally it never gets to that point but what other recourse do you have to stop the march of dystopia?
You’re going to lay siege from thousands of miles away while being killed by autonomous death robots?
Okay, good luck.
Let’s say 500 of your closest neighbors and friends all buy AR-15s with the best optics money can buy and all the green tips you can eat. And you all secretly spend 60 hours a week drilling in modern combat.
What are you going to do against a tank? Or a jet? Or just artillery fire? And “hit and run” tactics don’t work when there are cameras on every street corner and it is a trivial problem to track people back to their suburbs.
If The Right To Bear Arms were actually a threat to those in power then you can be damned sure it would have been repealed faster than a kindergartener can cry for their parents.
Resistance is important and I recommend you go to protests and actually talk with the organizers. No, not the ones who are thinking up catchy slogans or what cool costumes everyone can wear. The old hats. The ones who are actually pulling people however many steps back from the curb they need to be or who are looking for idiots with guns who will get everyone killed. Make some friends and go from there.
But all you are doing with “buy guns and train” is the same bullshit that republicans have been getting off on for decades. White people get to take hostages and occupy buildings. But in the eyes of the fascists? We’re all n*****s.
What are you going to do against a tank? Or a jet? Or just artillery fire? And “hit and run” tactics don’t work when there are cameras on every street corner and it is a trivial problem to track people back to their suburbs.
I agree with everything except this. Those cameras are getting smashed day one. Jets and artillery are very unlikely to happen in our scenario here. APCs and AFVs? Oh absolutely, and we don’t even need to have the military for that, even your podunk PD has armored vehicles now. But they’re not as durable as a tank. Wheeled ones are more susceptible to mobility kills. Building dragon’s teeth and porcupines isn’t hard. And there are plenty of IED and urban warfare guides available, even from the US military…
- You very much underestimate how many cameras are out there or how reachable they are
- If you start building dragons teeth in bumfuck Wisconsin you are going to get mortared.
- If you start building dragons teeth in DC you are getting droned.
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What are you going to do against a tank? Or a jet? Or just artillery fire?
I’m going to say the same thing I say to everyone that brings this up thinking they’ve hit on some infallible logic.
Small arms are all you need to eliminate people at the top of command structures, thus collapsing those command structures. A sniper named Simo Häyhä had over 500 confirmed kills during WW2. His job was basically to find and kill officers. He survived the war. You can also look at the Vietnam War. The U.S. was technologically superior to the Vietnamese. We still lost and went home without our mission accomplished. Same thing in the Middle East. Never actually accomplished our goals. Went home. Because it’s really hard to deal with enemies using guerilla tactics with typical firearms.
You don’t seem to understand that protests, while important, don’t make fascists stop being fascists. Force has always been required to put down fascist movements. If this goes far enough there will come a time when protests don’t matter, at all. When that time comes are you gonna let a fascist put a bullet through the back of your skull or are you gonna pick up a firearm and do something? Can’t do that if you don’t have firearms. Can’t do that if you haven’t trained. Can’t do that alone.
If this escalates far enough and people don’t do as I suggested, there will be no resistance beyond protests, which won’t be enough.
I literally just pointed out the “grab a gun and scream wildcats” fallacy below. Again, what is going to happen? The republicans will have experienced so many losses that they, what, pull out of the US and leave it to The Insurgents?
When that time comes are you gonna let a fascist put a bullet through the back of your skull or are you gonna pick up a firearm and do something?
Again, what are your rifles and even homemade molotovs going to do against tanks and drones and artillery? Sure, you’ll kill a few soldiers on the ground. They will then pull back and bomb the fuck out of you. Or they’ll just hop in the APC a shocking number of police stations have and run you down while watching tiktok on their phones
As for “just snipe officials”: Wow. It really is THAT simple.
By the way, have you considered heading over to Gaza and teaching the Palestinians how to resist? They got guns and they got will. So really, the only problem is they aren’t sniping the right people and killing enough soldiers per day for Israel to pull out, right? I mean, it isn’t like there is a difference between a “peace keeping” force and occupiers who want to eradicate all resistance, right?
Then give up and die. That is your choice. I don’t really care. You aren’t useful in the scenario we’re talking about so I’m not too concerned about what happens to you. You’re dead weight.
If you are at all surprised by this I got some beach front property in Montana to sell you.
Give it a few decades and you might actually have that.
I mean, Montana has lakes and lakes have beaches…
That’s why I’ve started calling the country the Fascist States of America.
The Ussa
AmeriKa, replace the “c” with a capital “K”
Ive been trying for a chinamerica kind of thing. It hits a little harder to magats. And its really easy to draw the comparisons now.
Traditionally, it should be the Democratic People’s Republic of America.
Have you found this approach to be effective in any way at anything at all?
it’s important to call it what it is.
diagnosing a disease isn’t the cure. but an important step up take to cure it
