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The names don’t have obvious meaning in English but they did in their original languages. Simon is a Hebrew name from the torah and means “he who hears”. Peter comes from Petros, the Greek translation of Cephas, the original Aramaic name Jesus gave him and means “rock”. So Jesus gave a Jewish guy with a Hebrew name an Aramaic (nick)name because Jesus saw him as the rock (foundation) of his church.
Now everything make sense. In spanish, “Peter” is “Pedro”, that sounds like “Piedra”, that means “Rock”
omg, in french Peter is translated to Pierre which also means “rock”! i always assumed that was a coincidence
See also ‘petrify’ (make into rock) and ‘petroleum’ (rock fat)
The female for “Pedro” is “Petra”, what make it more obvious, and also “Petronila” is a woman name, that comes from “Petroleum”
I’d be fucking mad if my parents named me after petroleum
“The name’s Diesel now”
Late XX century in Mexico, were pretty common name your child based in their born date. So, there are so much woman called “Petronila” because were born in March 18th
I take it back, that’s a cool tradition
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Yeah, his name was Simeon bar Jonah, Simon, son of Jonah, or by modern style, Simon Johnson. Then Jesus pops up and starts calling him the Rock… Simon the Rock Johnson. (also fun gravy, Dwayne means fishhook)
I thought Dwayne meant pipe?
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Matthew 16:18
BTW I know this one because of Angels & Demons.
You can see them too?
i was once taught by a guy named Pete Rock and he was the first to tell you that his name means Rock Rock lol
Similarly Platos name means broad, which was because he was a wrestler and kept up his physique. It also spawned a joke I’m fond of.
Diogenes wanders into Platos academy and says “Broadly speaking-” To which Plato responds “Yes I was now shut up”
also couldn’t the term mean “jacked” basically? like Plato= Daddy Swole essentially
Fuck you for this acursed comment.
Is this the time Plato threw Diogenes off the top of Hell In A Cell and through the announcer’s table?
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I am amazed that the name “Pierre” (also french for stone) litterally comes from the greek for “rock”
Rome and it’s consequences
Very common cult tactic to this day
Also a friend tactic. It’s just a nickname
We have a Posh Mike at work.
I don’t even think he’s called Mike.
I have friends of which I could not tell you their legal name at Gunpoint
Your name is Gunpoint now.
friends of witch
is this witch… you?
Thanks, it is corrected
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That’s one way to keep it a secret.
Learn from the best.
Cult 101
Pretty much this. Cults isolate you as their first step. Anything that can be used to make you feel beholden to them, or “fresh/new”. They make you think your parents are the enemy, and convince you that your real “family” is inside the cult.
Had a friend in college who wiped out repeatedly - stumbling down stairs, walking into trees while talking, stepping on his own feet - all through freshman year.
Everyone started calling him “Trip”.
Which, I guess, implied he’d joined a Cult?
One guy gets a nickname? No problem. You have a guy claiming to be a holy man assigning people names? Then you got a cult
I don’t actually believe Jesus ever claimed to be holy or did half the shit he is claimed to have done. I think he was an activist and kind person and the story got twisted over time.
Only the true messiah would deny being the messiah.
He was a doomsday prophet.
He claimed God was about to show up and judge everyone for their sins and then start a new world order. But then he got killed by the state and one or two of his followers had hallucinations of him a few days later (more common than you think). They essentially then rationalized WTF him coming back from the dead meant, and that morphed into Jesus being God. The first few decades after his death was a whirlwind of arguing about the “true” nature of Jesus and standardization within the baby church. Over the next few centuries there were more arguments that were less fundamental than turning Jesus into a God, though being a religion, the arguments were insane and fierce. Cue to today and we have a bunch of sub-versions of Christianity and even a whole spin-off religion.
Several thousand over different days and locations, not “one or two”. If it were one or two then this thing would never have taken off. People back then weren’t as dumb as we like to believe.
So it’s fairly likely it really was only a couple, but they were already devout and already had teammates to go and start this new church, which explains their success and gumption in starting a new church. Within a few years the descriptions of Jesus post-crucification become more and more elaborate and more and more robust against doubt. Essentially, as the disciples encountered resistance to their word, their stories became harder and harder to refute. Afterall, what’s a little embellishment when you’re trying to save people’s souls? In the earliest gospels we have, Jesus is only seen by a few people and he ascends almost immediately. It’s not until the later gospels that we get Doubting Thomas and Jesus walking around for 40 days before ascending.
You have a guy claiming to be a holy man assigning people names?
“Simon, you’re the most reliable person I know. You’re my rock. I’m going to refer to you as My Rock, because you are my most loyal and stalwart friend.”
Huge red flag. Avoid this person at all costs. You are in a
profoundly deep, possibly romantic relationshipCult.Is the guy naming him also claiming to be the messiah? That seems to be the part of the quotation you’re missing out on
Is the guy naming him also claiming to be the messiah?
All while performing bonafide miracles, sure. The pet name for a loved one isn’t the problem.
If, two thousand years from now, the High Priestess of the Church of Getting Your Vaccines So You Don’t Spread Illness was referred to as “Saint Cuddlebug” I’d consider that kinda sweet, not cultish.
I’m not abjectly religious but I don’t believe Jesus ever called himself the Messiah.
No, but this is pretty culty… Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Generally he referred to himself as the son of man, but there were instances of other references: “before Abraham was, I am” might not make a lot of sense to us but the Jews understood this to be a direct claim to divinity, and calling God his Father riled them up too because in their understanding that made him equal with God.
LOGICAL FALLACY - AFFIRMING THE CONSEQUENT.
If X, then Y does not imply if Y, then X.
LOGICAL FALLACY
Calling someone a pet name is not a matter of logic.
Of course not. It is your interpretation that having a nickname implies cult membership that is the logical fallacy.
The argument is:
- If CULT, then NICKNAME
- i.e. If X, then Y
Your interpretation seems to be:
- If NICKNAME, then CULT
- i.e. If Y, then X
Which is the logical fallacy of affirming the consequent.
It is your interpretation that having a nickname implies cult membership
That’s OP’s claim. My interpretation is that he gave Simon the nickname out of affection not domination
That’s OP’s claim.
No it’s not.
OP’s claim is that cults give nicknames. Not that all entities that give nicknames are cults.
But your second statement makes me realize that you likely have an inherent bias that is preventing you from seeing the logic involved.
OP’s claim is that cults give nicknames.
Post-Hoc Ergo Proper Hoc Fallacy. “Cults give nicknames, therefore if you give someone a nickname you’re a cult” doesn’t logically follow.
you likely have an inherent bias
Casual Fallacy. The existence of individual bias does nothing to affirm or reject a claim
If we were weighting on bias, your extreme reaction to a casual anecdote would disqualify your observations immediately.
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Paul’s is the funniest because he only got one letter changed from “Saul,” even though he had used to be the biggest menace. He was a Christian hunter. Not like a professional one, more like McCarthyism but against Christians.
Saul was a perfect example of sin, and Jesus said, “Let’s switch that 'S with a P, and he’s all good. '”
(Please don’t hurt me, I’m joking)
Edit: Wait, my bad. Jesus changed his Roman name, “Paul” to “Saul,” (which was Paul’s, Jewish name), and after Jesus died, when Paul moved to Rome, he went by “Paul” again. That’s also right before he was imprisoned and executed and where he’d write parts of the N.T.
I had to double-check everything, lol. That felt like the mendala effect. It turned out he also spent some time in the Bahamas dreaming about some guy named Yosef.
Saul (Sha’ul) is a Jewish/Hebrew name. Paulos is a Greek name. Even until now, bilingual people who are of a minority culture (compared to where they’re living) often have two names, one in their their native (family) language and one in the local majority language, one official, the other unofficial.
This was not limited to Paul, even in that immediate timeline. Levi (Jewish name) was also called Levi (Greek name). There’s no reason to believe Paul “changed” his name sheet his conversion. He continued to go by Saul after he became a Christian. He went by his Jewish name among Jewish people, then his Greek name when he travelled across Rome and interacted with Greek-speakers.
Nah, it’s greek
Also every Hollywood agent with Jewish clients from 1900 until present day.
you tend to do that when you and your buddies are up to street crime
What’s the charge? Eating a meal? A succulent meal of loaves and fishes?
taking multiple roman soldiers’ equipment a mile down the road, destruction of money lender property, theft of grain
Not to mention destroying the local bread, fish, and wine economy.
The destruction of the money lenders property and the theft of grain were justified imo
as well as fucking with roman military logistics. i support all three of the things i listed
It worked on Muhammad Ali too
I’m imagining a Reservoir Dogs scene playing out about the names.
Someone on another mission trip is Acolyte Paul! I assign the names, otherwise we’d have a bunch of Jews dead from an argument over who gets to be Acolyte John. So, you are Acolyte Pink!
Yubaba vibes
A: “Good job Tex.”
B: “My name is Sam sir, I’m from Wisconsin.”
A: “Nah, you’re Tex now.”
(This is my vague memory of a gag in an Atomic Robo comic)
“From now, Willard, your name is Clark.”
I actually sometimes do that to people too :P
