Rightio.
Serious question.
I have never bombed any children. Am I antisemitic?
I have never bombed any children
Reported for antisemitism.
You joke but someone did actually do that. Report was dismisses though
And as a Jewish person, I can vouch for this not being antisemitic. Jew does not equal Israeli or vice-versa. This is an Israeli genocide.
Maybe safer to say Zionists
State of Israel was literally founded ( and Palestinian land taken/stolen) by Zionists.
I love the internet sometimes.
Do you ever intend to?
I was planning on deliberately starving some Palestinian children to death or possibly cutting power to a NICU in a Palestinian hospital.
Does that count?
Congrats, you are now one of the good guys
I’m glad to join the Children of the Light.
“It’s a complex situation, I guess we’ll never get to the bottom of this…”
Heaven awaits!
It’s the thought that counts
That answer depends on how likely I am to be put on a list…
I think that answer puts you on a list
…well, shit.
It certainly is someones’ shit-list.
Unserious answer:
If you haven’t murdered and maimed entire families you are literally Hitler.
Imagine seeing a sign demanding ending a genocide and calling it antisemitic.
It’s only genocide when Jews are being killed. /s
Imagine Jewish people 80 years ago seeing this.
I’m a Jewish person today. That sign is not antisemitic, it’s accurate.
They didn’t even condemn Hamas that’s a hate crime.
Antisemitism to Palestinian support is like misandry to feminism. Yeah, some people might be guilty of it (and those who are, misunderstand the latter ideologies), but it’s way overrepresented in opposing media, who is often guilty of such issues itself.
Aren’t Palestinians a semitic people?
Yes but anti-semitism has been co-opted to apply only to Jews (erasure of millions of other semitic people, that is, people who speak a semitic language other than Hebrew) just like the Holocaust has come to mean only the Jewish victims of Nazi genocide, which is erasure of the 5 million other victims in the various groups that were killed by Nazis.
That’s an invalid (strikethrough: dictionary) etymology argument, and you know it. To clarify, when I said “antisemitism” I meant “a discriminatory attitude towards Jews” or something along those lines.
Edit: this is an etymology argument, not a dictionary one; most dictionaries probably agree with me. I don’t know how or why the word
antisemitismcame to be used to refer to Jews specifically, but surely it’s been this way for most of its history.
Either way, the most authoritative meaning of a word is that which was intended by the one who uttered it.Nice comeback and so civil as well. I wish I could do that.
But you didn’t utter it, you typed it.
/s
Zionism is antisemitic
Calling opposition to genocide antisemitic is one of the most anti-semitic things one could do - it paints genocide as inherent to Judaism - a ludicrous position that is about the best reason one could find to justify exterminating the Jews.
if it’s not against jews, it’s just sparkling crimes against humanity
Did it come from the genocide region?
I think is way more antisemitic to try to relate the jewish people with that genocide
I don’t think anyone relates the Jewish people to that genocide, they relate the state of Israel to that genocide, because it does.
My understanding is that the person who originally called criticism of the Israel gov ‘antisemitism’ is the one equating Jewish people with the state of Israel
That’s the point they are making actually, that Jewish people that call for antisemitism in those cases like the Australian Jewish organization and tons of Israel supporters, by saying that being against genocide is antisemitic, they are saying that genocide is semitic, which is a very dangerous statement.
In my opinion, those that make such ludicrous statement are the antisemitic ones, for calling the Jewish religious group genocidal.
Clearly the Australian Jewish Association is relating Jewish people to genocide, otherwise they would not have called that statement by a shopkeeper in New Zeeland anti-semitic but would instead have said it to be anti-Israel.
They’re directly saying that being against this Genocide is being against Jews, which is most definitelly “relating Jewish people to that Genocide”
It’s anti-semitic to ask you to stop killing children who lived their whole lives unable to leave their borders and were not even born when Hamas was “elected” in their reigon?
Is it anti-semitism to advocate to stop a “war” which you waged against a besieged province inside your country which you are controlling their water, electricity, food, fuel, and all natural resources, and starving amd killing and crippling for all life children and women who are over %70 of the victims?
Ah yes, murder, famously opposed by anti-semites
Is this bait? It sure feels like bait.
Judaism is when you kill children, sweetie.
I mean, that’s pretty much what the Australian Jewish Association is implying here, isn’t it?
Now, I realize Israel and it’s people have had a long and storied history of being persecuted by others, however, there’s a limit to how far you can stretch that sort of “woe is us” pity when the modern history of the country most representative of modern Judaism – at least, that’s how I kind of thought of it, a sort of “Jewish Vatican/Mecca”, correct me if I’m wrong as I’m not Jewish – will be recorded as not only actively engaged in committing such terrible acts (no matter the enemy), but is proud of it. I could see them trying to deny or “deny” it, you know, pay these IDF atrocities lip-service and give commanders a light finger-wag, that sort of thing. It’s the Israeli government after all, anyone who thinks they don’t have a massive intelligence apparatus shaping opinions at home and abroad is a fool – but for so many to be as proud of it as they are, god. I should be over this by now, but it’s just… upsetting. Make no mistake, the acts they commit today will be written about in the history textbooks, and they will be used to justify further future antisemitism – anyone who doesn’t fear another Adolf Hitler hasn’t been paying attention to the fucking news. This cycle of hate shouldn’t continue, and yet I see no end in sight.
Israel is not representative of modern Judiasm. It’s representative of modern settler colonialism. There are a lot of Jews who have opposed the existence of Israel since the idea of Zionism came up. Don’t conflate Judiasm with colonialism in it’s name.
The problem is that the Israeli government itself deliberately conflates itself/Zionism with Judiasm as a whole specifically so they can screech “antisemitism!!!” at every single criticism they receive regardless of whether or not is valid.
This is not only bullshit, but also actively undermines progress against actual antisemitism elsewhere by poisoning the signal-to-noise ratio by perpetually being the Boy Who Cried Wolf.
For anyone non-Jewish looking for a scrap of perspective on the matter, remember after 9/11 when every response from every conservative about every overtly shady thing they did was to parrot, “Why do you hate America???” It’s pretty much the same idea.
Exactly.
That’s antisemitic talk.
Israel is not representative of modern Judiasm
well, Saudi arabia/afganistan is not representative of modern islam, but here we are. Do you think Muslim majority, largely secular countries like being compared to theocratical shitholes? no.
if you’re just joining us, the thread is about how assholes like to make it seem that criticism of israel is antisemitism, whch is what archonet is talking about.
Great if you believe that, but how many other people do? How do you think it will change things in the eyes of all the far-right parties on the rise today?
They won’t care.
The far-right simultaneously aligns with Israel and uses it to fuel their antisemitism. They don’t care about facts or the truth because their only focus is power. That’s why it’s so critical to always call out the fact that Israel does not represent Jews.
It is critical to call out the contradictions of Israel so that people who do care about facts are not as easily fooled by the far-right.
Yes it does, religion is the driver of this. Don’t give the religion a pass, it considers that whole area part of the original lands belonging to Jews, and won’t stop until the Jewish kingdom is restored.
Don’t try and make this secular is not.
That’s Zionism, not Judiasm. They are not the same things.
There’s literally Yiddish songs making fun of Zionism as an idea. Most early Zionists were secular and were directly opposed by religious Jews.
Ffs, there are a ton of interviews with rabbis calling for a cease fire or even an end to Israel. Jewish Voice for Peace has been consistently vocal in their opposition to Israeli apartheid.
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Yiddish songs making fun of Zionism as an idea
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Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
Yiddish songs making fun of Zionism as an idea
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
Australian Jewish Association is a fucked up group of fucked up people. Opposing things they say is anti-idiocy.
Is AJA a credible group? Or just some person trying to sound official?
No worse than the ADL for sure.
There are Jewish Muslims that live in Palestine. Would it not be antisemitic of Israel to a attack an area that houses Jews of any sect and faith?
Do you mean Jewish arabs? or Semitic Muslims maybe. Technically Semitic is a language group which includes arabic but like indo-european it can also refer to the people who originally used the dialect… bigotry fails at logic.
Judaism is a religion, not a race. Plenty of people of the race commonly associated with Judsism who aren’t Jews. Like your average Palestinian.
Palestinians are semites. Judaism isn’t a race, it’s a religion.
Jewish Muslims lol?
So I can be a Christian, Jewish , Muslim and a Buddhist all at one time ?
Yikes. I’ll stick to Atheism.
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