It’s really bad. Like… people might need to be fired.
Justin:
Not a good game. Mostly the second half was the worst until the final drive. Very inconsistent. Made some amazing throws and missed some others. Started turning down routes later in the game. Took at least one unnecessary hit. Kept sinking back at the end of his drop in the second half. He flashed as usual but it’s not good enough rn. JT thinks he can be the guy but doesn’t know if it will ever happen with this situation he’s in. Might have to be with another staff or somewhere else. He likes him but he doesn’t see any anticipation at all. He’s unsure if it’s something with the coaches, Justin, or both. One thing for sure, we can’t have this. Need to be better or else you’re not gonna last in the league.
The first fumble was bad. He decided to just take off because he wasn’t trusting his protection. Didn’t give the RB a chance and the defender made a play. He missed Mooney that was coming open up top.
Second fumble was bad, but Kmet also missed the block.
On a positive note, it did seem like Fields’ footwork was decent and faster for a moment. His release was faster at times too.
Gameplan:
Bros, it’s bad. The first play was terrible from a personnel choice stand point. Why Kmet? We know he’s decent but he’s not a WR type.
Overall there were way too many screens. On a ton of plays there were either people not getting open, or routes were taking way too long to develop. Questionable and laughable play calling all day. It was pretty ridiculous. Also the whole offensive cast seemed to be getting pissed or not putting in effort on plays. Too many mistakes being made and missed blocks. The attention to detail was just not there. Getsy might actually need to walk the plank after this.
Also JT is questioning why they aren’t building the offense around the ability of Justin’s Fields running.
Oline:
I thought they played fine, but this was a terrible performance. Missed blocks in the running game were killing us. We could only run one type of play effectively. I thought we were good at run blocking but I was wrong. This problem has been apparent all season. And we are one of the highest rushing teams in the league!!!
Pass protection was a joke as well. Consistently inconsistent (the theme of Justin too). Lucas Patrick cannot be real. He was blowing blocks all night. Immediate pressure up the middle and ruining plays. Whether it was run or pass plays. We need a center immediately and better coaching or else whoever is QB next year is getting killed.
The rest of the line was having issues all night too. Free rushers being let in all night. Giving up pressure instantly. I kinda understand why there were a ton of screens now. We can’t pass block effectively consistently. Justin was back to running for his life yet again. He looked like he was seeing ghosts toward of the game.
So yeah. The offense is a joke right now. The film out there is showing a ton of problems with this cast. JT doesn’t think they’ll run it back with these coaches. And understandably so.
I think missing Foreman played a larger role then we thought. Obviously Herbet isn’t 100% since he would come in for 1 run then disappear the rest of the series. Johnson, a 3rd string rookie, played what felt like the entire game. Foreman has been the main back since Herbet went down 6 weeks ago so not having him was a big change.
With that said, I think the playcalling and Justin need to vastly improve. It felt like whenever he did drop back there was time and he normally had someone who was open and Fields resorted to scrambling over looking at his 3rd/4th option. That created a lot of missed opportunities and the terrible fumble.
Missing a journeymen running back had nothing to do with this game plan.
So the same problems we’ve been having all year.
Fields has almost never thrown with anticipation and it’s one of the main reasons why his ceiling in the NFL is relatively low.
JT isn’t the end all be all for criticism, as he’s very low on Kmet, but I think he’s the most unbiased and his angle is perfect for not just criticism, but if the coaches watched any of his breakdowns, they’d likely be able to make some changes immediately that could, in theory, mitigate some of the horrid play calls and OL play.
This lack of improvement is what has been driving me nuts all year.
I watch these all 22 breakdowns most weeks and see what adjustments can be made and a lot of teachable moments to say the least. I think to myself, a professional will be able to make those improvements and be better next week.
Next week comes and it’s some other mistake or some other player making the same mistake from prior weeks.
At this point, I think it’s coaching or lack thereof, on offense.
I would be interested in breakdowns of the defensive units.
Maybe Fields should watch too…
Here’s the thing: I agree Getsy needs to go.
However,
MN is one of the highest blitzing teams in the league, they’re aggressive, big play hunters. They have a lot of breakdowns, especially when it comes to finishing tackles (hmmm heard that story somewhere)
Getting the ball out quick where in most cases DJ is left 1v1 with corners is a SMART plan. Screens make sense against this specific team.
However we very rarely ever allowed the defense to play honest and fear the deep ball. We saw it last week with DJ against Detroit.
It really allowed the defense to stack, press, and send heat.
Getsy needs to find a way to get the ball out with more slants, shallow crosses, picks, etc. we also need to show defenses that DJ can do more than just catch the ball within the sticks.
Justin is a pure rhythm guy. Short passes get him going, and eventually, he gets the confidence to make big plays and keep defenses honest himself.
His OC needs to trust him to make the plays with his arm. Challenger defenses more early. Hell, it’s not gonna work everytime, but it will keep a defense in check.
What’s crazy is with all these quick screen passes, and against a high blitz team, Fields time to throw average was still one of the longest on the year at 3.37 seconds (Lions was slightly slower at 3.42). He now owns the longest time to throw average in the entire league at 3.13 seconds.
Which is precisely why this team HAS to move on. He is not a good QB in any way outside of his athleticism and arm strength. He has none of the rest
And people think that this fact has no impact on Getsy’s playcalling. “Call what Justin does well!” And in the same breath asking why he doesn’t call the exact stuff Justin never throws.
I am no Getsy apologist. But the problem is the two of them together. The only viable options are they BOTH go or Justin has to show that he is going to throw what an NFL offense requires to justify getting him a new OC here.
I mean yea that’s a good game plan if it’s not the main plan.
Don’t give him that credit. He runs this same goddamn plan every game. It was specific to this team. I don’t think Getsy has the football iq to attack a advantage.
It’s good you called out what th me Vikings D usually does and also what they were doing to adjust to the Bears. They basically were showing blitz every play and then dropping 2-4 deep giving away the middle. They were baiting Fields to think himself into turnover chances.
Most teams really struggle to run against the constant blitz packages. We are only 1 of 3 teams, and we did it twice, to run for 100+ yards against them. So those 6 man box packages are confusing for the line. Then we run motion to help JF1 identify the package. This moves receivers to different routes that take longer.
I still think the core issue with offensive production is JF1 decision making and pocket presence. Adjustments are then made to help him, but this takes the game plan into very predictable reads for the D.
Well said. There were so many openings in the zone early, even Aikman was mentioning it. (He changed his tune later when all he did was mention how JF is much better this year). It looked like a confidence/overthinking thing early for fields, which wasn’t helped by the poor blocking, poor running plays, and short/screen calls.
I agree with a lot of what you said except for screens making sense. You’re much better going slightly vertical quickly with a slant or a short post. Throwing horizontal is ok once or twice (not 20+ times) but usually you’ll want to use a short vertical route against the blitz when dumping the ball to an escape valve. Rodgers did that to us often in his better days and it killed our D.
There are a million other ways to beat the blitz and get the ball out quick that aren’t WR screens we just didn’t call it ever and the one time we did we chunked a play to Kmet for 20+ yards down the middle
Thanks for the summary. Always want to watch these videos but never take the time.
Lucas Patrick. Will never understand this signing and the complete refusal to properly address center the last couple years.
OMG I just saw the play where they’re first and goal and JT just starts laughing. Then he just starts circling Kmet over and over and over again with his yellow pen 😂😂😂
Only having one route being run on the field is wild😂.That play had me crying
Justin doesn’t have a good game by any measure, in any quarter, but you can see for absolute certain that he’s not right after that hit!
Although you might be right, we have to analyze the tape as it is for rn.
I’m 1 hour 8 minutes in and this is some of the worst football I’ve seen all season. JT actually sounds angry at this point because they’re gonna get Justin killed!
See this shit? You say anything that even remotely suggests that Justin is being put in a bad place and you get the downvote brigade. It’s fucking pathetic!
Justin had a bad game!
O-line are gonna get him hospitalised!
Getsy can’t scheme for shit!
All true!
I just want to say it’s been known for a while and even Jenkins has echoed these sentiments that our route trees are some of the slowest developing in the NFL.
TJ has even mentioned in earlier season vids that sometimes when he watches the tape it’s like the top of drop rarely lines up with when the window should be open.
Not making an excuse for Justin. I thought he had a pretty poor game but it’s something I’ve noticed.
“Like… people might need to be fired” yeah no shit lol
Getsy is 100% I’ve never seen anyone defend him and he has been widely criticized. There is no debate about him
Also JT is questioning why they aren’t building the offense around the ability of Justin’s Fields running.
ME FUCKING TOO, JT
Probably because he got absolutely killed on one (surprised they didn’t pull him to check for a concussion honestly). They had a few QB runs before that and they stopped immediately after that hit.
Because he’s a quarterback and quarterbacks throwing the ball is more valuable than them running the ball.
Because QB who run primarily don’t last and get injured.
Ravens did it with Lamar and it has worked well. Jalen Hurts passes well also but a lot is built around his ability to run
He averages like 2 runs a game if you remove the tush push, their offense has very little to do with running Hurts. He’s good within and navigating the pocket which Fields is horrible at.
Oh ya building around Lamar has worked really well, he never finishes a season.
Fields is in the same situation Lawrence was in with Meyer.
Get him a new staff ffs
Getsy calling stupid plays and Justin missing open receivers. 😮