Just blocked lemmy.ml from my Lemmy account, and I swear to god it’s one of the best things I’ve ever done on this platform. My homepage feels actually clean now.
For the past few months I’d been seeing a lot of tankie posting and pretty much far-left propaganda on my feed. It got tiring enough that I finally checked my blocked-user list, and realized pretty much everyone I’d blocked was from lemmy.ml. So I just blocked the whole instance instead.
Saying this as someone who considers themselves a leftist: I used to think Lemmy itself was an echo chamber. Turns out lemmy.ml was the problem the entire time. Probably the reason I tolerated it for so long is that I agreed with a lot of what they posted, but like an oversaturated meme, I’d had enough. Browsing the platform was starting to feel way too tiring instead of fun, which defeats the point of being here in the first place.
The breaking point was seeing some dude post a “meme” implying North Korea and China are basically communist utopias and that the West sucks. I mean, the West does suck, but come on - you’re saying North Korea is the ideal the West should strive for? What the hell…
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Having mindless tankies parrot ccp and russian propaganda is getting tiring.
No! It isn’t propaganda! You’re the one who is parroting propaganda!
Saying russia and china are dictatorships and stuff, i saw a post on VK that said exactly the contrary! And it must be true!
Xi Jinping said he cares about free speech, he can’t lie, only western politicians lie!
It’s not authoritarianism if I do it!
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I believe it went over your head. This was a satire comment. It is made by OP. OP doesn’t believe in those words. Sarcasm can be used without writing “/s”.
No, it isn’t satire, i belive just about everything i read on vk.
I am pretty sure that a sizeable amount of accounts there have connections to the FSB.
Extremism etc has broad appeal to disenfranchised people of a certain maturity level with an absence of critical thinking skills.
IMO one of the things that’s ruining the internet currently is all the young people who don’t know shit about fuck and are completely unaware of it. Blind leading the blind shit.
I think it’s a combination. There are accounts which run classic FSB style; series of innocuous posts and then ZELENSKY IS A NAZI, then innocuous posts.
Meanwhile, ignorant dumb kids who have been dealt a rough hand with covid, housing prices, ai, trump, climate change etc are pretty susceptible to the dumbest but most appealing simple answers/boogymen.
Add in the Internet’s ability to help you avoid ever encountering an opinion with which you disagree and you’ve got a very toxic breeding ground for the worst and dumbest ideas.
Let’s not forget the 15-year-old nihilistic edgelords who, for a change, aren’t outright Nazis, if only for the reason because there were so many nihilistic outright Nazi edgelords and Wehraboos out there that it had become too mainstream. Also, they read somewhere that the Red Army destroyed the Wehrmacht which automatically makes the Soviet Union superior to the Third Reich. So they went full Stalinist instead.
There must be at least some who have found their way from WoT to Reddit and from there to Lemmy.
At least those who used to run in Tumblr’s “more leftist than thou” rat race that apparently suggested that being enby is more leftist than being trans to such a degree that trans isn’t leftist enough are usually too feeble to go full Tankie and support genocides if committed in the name of communism.
Let’s not forget the 15-year-old nihilistic edgelords
Lord knows they won’t let us forget them lmao
But yea accelerationists are always children or very broken people. Misery loves company.
In my day we used to know fuck all about shit. But kids these days…
That’s kind of what I’m getting at by turning the phrase around. Like teenagers have always been dumb. It’s part of the learning process.
But todays kids have been deprived that fuckery and so they literally don’t know shit about it. Than their reality is whatever first impression tik tok gives them about anything.
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I consider it an honour as thats a me original afaik
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The amount of downvotes i received in a thread maxing out at below +150 votes makes me even more sure about lemmy.ml’s substantial FSB involvement.
I don’t think Russian intelligence would waste their time on a platform as small as Lemmy. They’ve propagandized enough people that it’s simply self-perpetuating here. The tankies are still exposed to other outlets where they’d see Russian propaganda and repeat it here.
Yeah same thing in the US with MAGA, mob mentality takes over and it becomes self feeding.
My bathroom has a trap door to the main office!
really? dump a bucket full of leeches, spiders and biohazard waste down there next time with a dedication from me, please!
their doomer, pseudo intellectual main course with a dessert of populist fantasy crap is depressing
at least their radicalization stuff was kinda spicy but it’s an addictive combo to melt your brain into the cult
Whatabout capitalists parroting propaganda? Checkmate.
Yeah they are tiring too and they are destroying the country with their blind idolitry.
I was mostly making fun of tankies’ only argument being that capitalists do something bad too so it’s OK to do it themselves
Poe’s law strikes again, I thought you were that tankie.
More worried about the much more prevalent american imperialist support.
Ah yes the vast support the current US government enjoys on …Lemmy.
No, we loathe that you’re reducing the problem to “this administration”. I actually love this administration for the fact that it has dropped the facade and I can finally talk about US imperialism showing how cruel it has ever been.
“us imperialism” ok kid
Mother fucker I live in Iran, I’ve seen your bombs hit my fucking neighborhood. Get lost.
I totally believe you that you live in Iran now
I seriously don’t give a flying fuck what you think madar ghahbe.
I’m glad you’re on here and I’m sorry you’re having to live through what you are living through.
I hope it ends as peacefully as is possible now soon.
Try talking about Nato expansion and see how far you get.
The government doesn’t care if you hate it as long as you confirm the narrative with your hate.
What expansion?
The latest new members of NATO after many years have applied because Russia invaded ukraine, a non-NATO country.
If there weren’t countries invading other ones, no one would need to join NATO, as it is a defensive alliance.
What expansion?
Russia says that they were promised no Nato expansion in Eastern Europe like there was a commitment to no Nato troops in East Germany.
If there weren’t countries invading other ones, no one would need to join NATO, as it is a defensive alliance.
How can countries protect themselves if they are attacked by Nato or Nato countries?
It’s the right of every country to join military alliances as they want. And some promise back in the early 90s is totally nothing binding that is valid when one country is actively attacking its neighbors. Every neighbor state will then try to get into an alliance against such aggression.
Which country has Russia attacked before the Nato expansion?
They can defend themselves the same way as if any other country attacked them.
NATO doesn’t protect you if you start an offensive war. It only protects you if you’ve been attacked first.
There’s no better example than the epstein-US-Iran war. Trump keeps whining that his “NATO allies” are not helping him. Iran right now can attack the US as much as it can, since the US started the war for no fucking reason.
Some individual countries that are part of NATO have helped the US, but that was independently of NATO.
The US are using the bases of their Nato partners for Iran. It’s not a Nato mission in name but that doesn’t matter to Iran. If Ukraine gets Nato bases with fighter jets and midrange missiles then it doesn’t help Russia if Nato doesn’t attack but only the USA from bases in Ukraine.
Oh yes cause there is so much of that here.
We’re officially on the decline. A laughing stock to our enemies and a pariah to our allies. Even if the American people pull off a miracle somehow in 2028 and elect someone like Ocasio Cortez to the presidency. No one in Europe should just forgive everything and get all buddy buddy with us again. We’ve only shown we cannot be trusted. The ball has been passed keep your eye on where it is, not where the ball was.
Don’t be surprised if you find hexbear giving you similar twitches.
Their instance was already defederated from hexbear, so they never saw posts from there.
No no no. Twitch is owned by amazon. It’s not part of the fediverse.
Hexbear users are the funniest people on the platform
Some of the stuff I’ve seen come out of there is on the level of what /pol/ would cook up. Absolutely the most troll instance of the fediverse.
Except they’re not Nazis. Hexbear’ians at least know how to be funny tankies
When I joined Lemmy, Lemmy.ml didn’t really feel different than Lemmy.world to me.
Maybe I’m taking crazy pills but it’s like they got more propagandist on purpose. As if they decided to up the anthem because .grad got defederated by all sane instances… And what’s propaganda good for if it doesn’t reach the right people?
Same with tankies having lemmy.world accounts. It’s not ironic, it makes sense.
Now Lemmy.ml became their “outreach” instance, where they ban everyone who criticizes them (even on another instance) or even for downvoting (Dessalines did that because his favorite poster ‘cowbee’ got downvoted by “bots” too much. Then they opted out on lemvotes, so no more checking yourself).
For an outsider it looks like everyone agrees with them because they upvote each other and every critic got either banned or they blocked them themselves and I’m starting to think this might be by design. I wonder how many users are banned from .ml, while still retaining general visibility through federation.
Isn’t it basically how Russia and China operate? Keep your own people isolated in a bubble where only your narrative is accepted and at the same time invade other spaces to manipulate their opinions?
.ml opted out of lemvotes because they like to brigade posts and comments.
Indeed. Funny how the only two instances I have run into that block Lemvotes are the ones that commonly have goon squads brigading threads and abusive admins.
Which is the other instance?
dbzer0
I have my problems with dbzer0’s admins and moderation but there’s something else going on there because I can see their votes.
I always get the 404 error if the post itself was from those instances (even if I check comments made in those posts’ threads). If the main post is from anywhere else, I can still see their users’ votes on the post or any comments also not from .ml or db0 users.
I don’t think I ever see .ml user votes.
I was going to ask for a source on this. But on checking in on a comment or two in this thread. This explains a lot of the consistently inconsistent behavior I’ve been seeing the few times I do check lemvotes. Like I was wondering who the hell was down voting Jo, as they are always pretty chill and even keeled. Look at any other comments on the thread no problem. I look up anyone from Lemmy.ml and it’s 404.
That’s certainly not the behavior of an instance with nothing to hide. Though I would still think administrators should be able to see the votes and identity brigading. But this does explain a few things I’ve noticed on isolated instances when I’ve used it.
Dunno if that’s “on purpose”. I think it’s more, back in the day .ml was the defacto standard instance, so lots of average people went there and you’d find a wider bandwidth of people. That might have changed with some people leaving and the new visitors not signing up on .ml anymore. That makes the rest of the group condense to people who pick .ml on purpose. But that’s not a deliberate plan, more how maths works. 😅
It’s the same everywhere in the Fediverse, and it always has:
Newbies always join the biggest server. Unless, of course, the biggest server is being hidden by most of the other servers (pawoo.net used to be the biggest of all Fediverse servers until newbie zerg rushes onto mastodon.social demoted it).
It’s a no-brainer. Don’t know where to go? Just go where everyone goes. Don’t know what to do? Just do what everyone does. Also explains the success of the iPhone, the Samsung Galaxy S, the Ford F-150, the VW Golf, the Toyota Corolla…
Back in the day, when Reddit charged app devs $20M for their API, which killed 3rd-party apps, which enshittified Reddit, which caused the first migration wave to Lemmy, Lemmy still was so small that lemmy.ml was the biggest server, being run by Lemmy itself and all. So naturally, everyone went to lemmy.ml.
Eventually, in spite of people from all walks of life and with all kinds of attitude being there, lemmy.ml had become so unabashedly Tankie that countless users decided to move elsewhere. It had become blatantly clear that .ml, actually the TLD of Mali, stands for МДЯ☭ЇꙄМ-LЭИЇИЇꙄМ. Back then, lemmy.world was the largest non-Tankie server, so they went there.
It was due to that migration within Lemmy that lemmy.world outgrew lemmy.ml and became the biggest Lemmy server. Being #1 on the list of the biggest Lemmy servers, it also became the #1 destination for newbies, and the feedback loop started anew.
A side-effect was that the Tankie-to-non-Tankie rate on lemmy.ml grew because it was almost exclusively non-Tankies who left whereas the Tankies stayed.
Hey! My Golf was amazing! I wish they still made cars like it.
Hope it was a Golf 2 Fire & Ice edition…
I didn’t go to the popular instance initially. I will say though that the onboarding process had very confusing UX and I didn’t really understand what was going on or what an instance even was
You’re talking about Lemmy or Mastodon?
Lemmy. I thought about making a Mastodon account but didn’t see the need eventually, it’s not my style
Unlike Lemmy, Mastodon has on-boarding for dumb-dumbs.
Imagine you could simply load an app named “Lemmy” onto your phone. You launch it. You can enter a name, a mail address and a password. There’s a field that says, “Server,” and it already defaults to lemmy.ml. You don’t even have to touch it. You can ignore it. And you’re done.
Of course, the consequence would be lemmy.ml still being the biggest server by far.
This is literally how Mastodon’s on-boarding goes. Only that the default server, owned and operated by the makers of Mastodon, is mastodon.social (it’s about one third of Mastodon and some 22% of the whole Fediverse in terms of monthly active users), and you have two names on Mastodon, a short name for your Fediverse ID and a display name.
There are Mastodon newbies who take months to understand that Mastodon is not just one central website (that mastodon.social is not “the” Mastodon website). Or one central server infrastructure hiding behind a phone app. And many take years to understand that the Fediverse is more than just Mastodon. Some have joined in October or November, 2022, after Elon Musk had bought out Twitter, and who still believe that the Fediverse equals Mastodon.
All because they don’t have to deal with any of this when joining.
I mean why would a leftist like ANYTHING about current day Russia? China? OK, there are apologisms that can fit into a leftist umbrella. But RUSSIA? It’s a fucking kleptocracy. Anyone “leftist” saying otherwise is a crock of shit. They haven’t been red in decades.
I mean why would a leftist like ANYTHING about current day Russia?
Because they unironically believe that Russia = the Union of Socialist Soviet Republics. That Putin literally is the Premier of the USSR and the General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Maybe even that what Putin is trying to do in the Ukraine is reconquer his own territory from CIA-driven Western insurgents.
Basically, just because Putin is a Russian, he automatically is a ☭★✊ СФММꙠИЇꙄТ СФМЯДDЭ ✊★☭, therefore he must be anti-Capitalist, therefore he has to be a good guy.
These people completely distrust any and all Western media because it’s capitalist, imperialist propaganda, but they take everything from Russia Today and Sputnik News at face value because the good guys wouldn’t ever lie, right?
They say they’re against wars. But if Putin started a full-on invasion in Germany (while the country is in a state in which it’ll be defenceless within three days), I can guarantee you that they’ll cheer for the Red Army finally coming and purging capitalism and imperialism.
Seriously, we have a political party in Germany whose very principles appear to be based on this belief, and that tried to get a new Chancellor of their own into office.
What the actual fuck!
they are that stupid. a lot of folks are.
it’s just another form of MAGA brain rotted style thinking. it’s rife and all over the place.
they need a glorious leader to worship.
I have never seen somebody believe in Putin like that.
To believe that they believe that should be a hint to first investigate if that is true and if it is not, to reevaluate one’s own sources of information.
Cool, I have, in real life. also it was like 15 years ago.
Folks love to worship strong men leaders.
In their view, the world is black and white. They hate to be inbetween, they need to “choose a side”. They can’t say US and China suck both, or fuck Israel but also fuck Hamas, they need to be “pro” something. Because most of them grew up in it, they are mostly opposed to western countries - but they can’t leave it like that, they need to be anti imperialist. And that means siding with Russia, Iran, North Korea, China etc., the enemies of the west. It is absurd, but that’s how easy it is. Some months ago we all watched how Iran killed thousands of its citizen on the streets - now that the US attacked Iran, they sympathize with the Islamist mullahs! Because… fuck Israel or something? It’s a really narrow world view and it makes of course no sense, I mean who is imperialist if not Russia lol?
Feddit.org is literally the zionist version of the tsnkis
Feddit.org is a German server that sticks to German laws.
Germany has a special historical guilt towards Jews. You know, what with having murdered half of all Jews on the planet within less than a decade and intended to cull the other half as well.
Anti-Judaism is a capital Federal crime in Germany, just like using Nazi symbolism. And it is for very good reasons.
In America, it doesn’t make much of a difference whether you burn down a synagogue with a service going on inside or a barn with a hoedown going on inside. You’ll get sentenced for arson and either manslaughter or murder either way.
In Germany, if you burn down the synagogue, you’ll get a whole shit-ton of a sentence piled on top of that if your intentions were clearly anti-Semitic/anti-Judaist.
Google “Night of Broken Glass”. Can you even imagine the U.S. National Guard raiding and burning synagogues, Jewish-owned shops, Jewish retirement homes and the like, murdering at least 1,000 Jews, all in one single night in 1938, ordered by (a precursor of) the NSA and at the behest of President Franklin D. Roosevelt himself?
Feddit.org is a German server that sticks to German laws.
German laws do not prohibit you for removing comments on social media of people support a supermasist genocidal ideology
Germany has a special historical guilt towards Jews. You know, what with having murdered half of all Jews on the planet within less than a decade and intended to cull the other half as well.
German law did not force you to reply to my comment with more Israel represent jews bullshit. Israel discriminate ethopian jews, before the creation of the terrorist state it killed many jews with their terrorists attacks. For example during the bombing of king david hotel 17 jews wad murdered. Germany murdered 6 millions jews so i though germany would learn it lesson and not support another genocide , here it is supporting it in Gaza. Nazis also killed ton of communists and poles should germany tolerate if those groups do terrible things too. Should the countries involved in the transatlantic slave trade tolerate if a black country decide to attack a country who was involves in that black holocust?
In Germany, if you burn down the synagogue, you’ll get a whole shit-ton of a sentence piled on top of that if your intentions were clearly anti-Semitic/anti-Judaist.
I don’t remember germany condemning israel attack on the synaguoge in Iran. It is pretty clear germany is defending israel the settler colonial state not jews in general
Isn’t it basically how Russia and China operate? Keep your own people isolated in a bubble where only your narrative is accepted
It’s the authoritarian playbook.
Also how MAGA keeps ~30 million US voters hypnotized. Just like Russian ZOV
This post made me curious so I took a look at my block list, and almost all of my blocked accounts are from .world. I’ve only blocked two .ml users. I wonder how much that varies by instance.
Well lemmy.world is statistically one of the larger instances. So that’s not strictly unusual. And thankfully some of the worst from ml tend to stay in their Echo Chambers being self-aware enough.
Every time I see people from a handful of the same instance always try to pivot any discussion of one of the other handful of instances back to a criticize of .world, I go look at their post history.
I always see the same thing; almost all .world postings, a few of the others, and none on their home instance, or any of the ones they’re defending
I keep asking, never getting an answer:
Why do you hang around .world so much if you don’t like it?
Why not just block .world?
Why do you hang around .world so much if you don’t like it?
Answer: because, unfortunately, many of the most active communities are hosted on .world.
While I appreciate the answer…
Part of the question involved who I was asking:
Every time I see people from a handful of the same instance always try to pivot any discussion of one of the other handful of instances back to a criticize of .world, I go look at their post history.
“It is what it is” and commenting where the people are makes perfect rational sense.
But…
I’m assuming you don’t immediately try to turn any criticism against an instance whose politics you agree with, back on the mainstream instance.
If you did, then it wouldn’t be rational to spend all your time here
Throbbing_banjo was curious about their blocklist, they did not criticize anything. The reason for having a lot of lemmy.world users on there, as Eldritch said, is most likely statistics. You talk about being rational while battling made up phantoms.
I’m assuming you don’t immediately try to turn any criticism against an instance whose politics you agree with, back on the mainstream instance.
I think that many people reflexively speak out against perceived unfairness. Why should they stay silent when they see people from a problematic mainstream instance constantly complaining about other instances that they see nothing wrong with, the vast majority of the time without evidence, I might add? I mean, it adds up to endless whining, even in completely unrelated threads. I often see it go like this:
Person 1: “Hey, did you hear about this new scientific discovery? Pretty interesting, huh?”
Person 2 (very often from .world or piefed.social): “Well, just stay away from the DaMn tAnKiEs! They’re horrible!”
Person 1 (or Person 3): “Huh? I didn’t say anything about any tankies. Besides, .world or piefed has plenty of idiots too.”
I’ve rarely ever seen anyone grumble about .world in a completely unrelated thread without cause (i.e., in response to a .world person saying something stupid), but I see that all the time against mostly the socialist/communist instances with some spillover to the anarchist instances. After a while, people start to react automatically to any complaints about other instances.
Then Person 1 should block those accounts for being idiots, like I most likely did years ago…
I’ve rarely ever seen anyone grumble about .world in a completely unrelated thread without cause
That’s easy, its all over this thread, if you don’t recognize it here, you’re not recognizing it elsewhere.
Like a colorblind person insisting the color red isnt real…
That’s easy, its all over this thread, if you don’t recognize it here, you’re not recognizing it elsewhere.
But that’s appropriate in this thread, since it’s specifically about a person on lemmy.world complaining about lemmy.ml. The scenario I was describing was of someone chiming in about the “tankies” in a thread completely unrelated to Lemmy instances or politics, like gardening or movies. I feel like I see this all the freaking time, but I suppose I could be wrong. It’s always a possibility.
The Network effect still affects Lemmy communities, unfortunately.
That is a silly question if I have ever seen one.
As you might expect from a lemmy.zip user, I’ve only blocked one person.
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I believe Throbbing_banjo is from db0 actually.
Oh, oh yeah, you’re right… my lemmy client is being dumb lol
That makes sense dbzer0’s made a hard .ml turn lately so I could see why the users like each other.
I will need context on that.
It is bullshit. You can read the sidebar of the instance they clearly stating they are against russia. I remember debating a pro russia person on a db zero community and they rightfully remove his comments.
Some people just assume dbzero not defedersting from ml make them friend of ml. Thr only thing dbzero and ml agree about is anti the genocidal state of Israel
They are an imperialist who isn’t against tankies but against opposition to oppression is the context.
That’s basically all the context.
they started making accounts on other instances so they can spout their shit and get banned without it getting back to their main instance to avoid defederation
i’m new to my instance that isn’t defederated from anything and I see an awful lot of whining about .ml hexbear and lemmygrad but i haven’t seen the users do anything. i’m more annoyed by the whiners so far.
Same. I don’t block anything and it’s perfectly fine tbh. So called “tankies” supposedly everywhere, but all I see are left-wing people.
It feels like people are upset about running into users who are politically left-leaning… on federated social media.
That’s like being upset about encountering queer people in the arts, or chuds in the weightlifting space, or conservatives at the gun range. What the hell did you expect?
As somebody who was able to see those before they got defederated: If they’re not denying stuff like that Russia is the aggressor, then they have improved and the common conscious is just slow to forgive.
It was “they must be trolls” levels when I still saw them. Pure ragebait levels. And you did often get the feeling that they were just trying to be as edgy as possible.
What’s wrong with people expressing their opinion?
You mean like JAQing off? Like trolls?
but i haven’t seen the users do anything.
It’s not the users people block over, blocking an instance doesn’t stop you from interacting with the users.
What it does, is block every community from that instance from your feed, that’s it.
People block .ml, because while some decent communities may exist, their admins will see your comments elsewhere, then find any/all comments on their instance and either harass you or ban you.
The block just means you won’t accidentally stumble into a place they control.
The minority of users who are really problematic, are likely to be banned everywhere else already
Yep, that’s exactly the point
People block .ml, because while some decent communities may exist, their admins will see your comments elsewhere, then find any/all comments on their instance and either harass you or ban you.
I’m not sure what you mean. If someone harasses you then you can just block them. If you block an instance it’s users can still see your posts elsewhere and comment can’t they? I don’t politically align with the Lemmy devs but lemmy.ml is their instance and just like piefed, mbin, and others they can run their personal instance as they see fit. Isn’t that the whole point of federation?
If you block an instance it’s users can still see your posts elsewhere and comment can’t they?
Yes, I literally said that earlier in the comment you replied to…
blocking an instance doesn’t stop you from interacting with the users.
And…
they can run their personal instance as they see fit. Isn’t that the whole point of federation?
Yes, that’s why I don’t make posts that they need to change, I just chimed in and provided context for why blocking their instance so you don’t accidentally stumble into their places…
It’s just american imperialist upset they have any pushback.
I think you will still see users from lemmy.ml despite the instance block. I have blocked it about 2 years ago and its the only reason why I am still here. I hesitated at first because of the open source communities, but then I thought, fuck it
but then I thought, fuck it
I feel like this one half sentence explains all of human history.
LEEEEEEEERRRRRROOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY mmmmmmmmmmmmJJJJJJEEENNNNNKKKKKKINNNNNNNNNSSSSSSSSS
Yep, tracks :)
Actually… both halves do? 🤪
Yes, it only blocks the communities and servers showing up in your feed.
Nah, seeing folks from there is fine, but i would rather not see their posts
I agree. I only mentioned it because your motivation was the list of blocked users from ml you already had.
It used to be the case that, aside from hexbear and Lemmygrad (both defederated from on your instance), 90% of the most trolling comments came from Lemmy.ml. However, immediately after Trump won the USA election, I started seeing that behavior all over the place. Perhaps that timing is mere coincidence, but regardless, blocking all users on that instance (which PieFed allows you to do) no longer works to keep the most batshit insane takes from my feed.
Also I have consistently seen people commenting on that instance (and on Lemmygrad) about how proud they are that no does not mean no, but rather that they need to push forward harder - by making alts to mask their associations - and which they readily do.
So I was adding historical context to your statement here: I see what you mean, now, but a couple years ago things were notably different. Then again, obviously not all trolls are the same, and trolls exist everywhere - which I should know, being one myself (as people keep telling me:-).
ML is not far-left, it pretends to be in order to spread pro-Putin, pro-Russian, and pro-Republican state propaganda because they know it’s destroying America. ML and Russia are about as socialist as the Nazis claimed to be.
While I agree they aren’t far left. They are sincerely more socialist than the Nazis were. The problem is, they are often as authoritarian as and group think vulnerable as maga, nazis, etc. Economics is fine. But it should never supersede or dictate social policy.
And all these heavily centralized States weather corporate or otherwise always fall to the same flaws. Power calcifying and protecting itself. Not the people or Society.
Sortition based governance when?
Experimenting with blocklists is fine and how you find your comfort zone on Lemmy.
I once made an experiment in which I blocked lemmy.world - not out of spite, but to just see what the rest of Lemmy has to offer. Turns out, quite much!
Still, too many niche communities are hosted on .world, so here I am again.
I tend to agree that the majority of communities are hosted on 3 major instance’s its a concern that makes it difficult remove any of the 3 or 4 mega instances regardless of policies or practices.
I see many saying just boycott or block .world but, a decent source of communities im in are listed there. I know it’s against the spirit of fediverse but I don’t see that changing any time soon.
It’s an inherent problem with having both users and communities on the same instances, and just how humans tend to operate in general in that we automatically gravitate to others and clump together.
I think it was @rglullis@communick.news who was saying that in an ideal world there would be two types of instances, one for users and one that only served as hosting space for communities. That way you could block or defederate user groups without losing access to entire communities.
Of course, we’re way past the point where reorganization into a structure like that is feasible. But it’s interesting to think about.
Thank you! At least I don´t feel so alone now. :)
we’re way past the point where reorganization into a structure like that is feasible
I am still optimistic about it. It will be impossible to make one huge push in this direction, but slowly people will come to realize that this is the most sensible approach. For example, I’ve noticed that !nba@nba.space started to get more activity because !nba@lemmy.world is considering moving out of LW, but are spending a lot of time debating over a lateral move. If only they had accepted when I first invited them to join as mods from the topic-specific instance, this would’ve never been an issue.
That is an interesting concept, I would argue that it wouldn’t tackle the root cause of why most would want to federate due to rules just being universally applied to both the user instance and the community instance for the mega instances, and it still wouldn’t do anything with it being against the spirit of the fediverse in terms of needing to spread or web out, but I agree it would be nice.
Lemmy.world is clearly run by a bunch of incompetent, at least slightly bigoted, idiots and it really shows in the overall quality of the community that results.
I think the most toxic thing about Lemmy.World is a pervasive belief that stricter rules and more automation will make everything better and they are just so painfully, blatantly wrong about it that it hurts.
cool. i disagree. in my 3 years on fedi it’s been the most chill instance that is more hands off than many of the other ones.
and the userbase is far less militant than other instances.
piefed.social is fairly chill too
The developer for Piefed.Social’s main front end app that they develop literally has censorship baked into the code with hardcoded instance blocks that are not obvious to the user or even a new instance creator who doesn’t look to far into the details…
So what are you saying is, your bubble is nice and you aren’t willing to confront how or why the bubble looks as unchallenging to your belief systems as it does :)
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/72685299
https://lemmy.pobierz.net/post/1293
I discovered this after upgrading our instance yesterday, which also upgraded all frontends to their latest versions as well. After I did, our Tesseract frontend stopped working and I noticed immediately as it’s been my primary for a while. Initially I thought it was an API version mismatch, but no, it was much worse.
Someone pointed out that the developer of the frontend added an explicit hidden and unmodifiably blacklist which includes any and all instances to the left of Kissinger. There’s a commit which also explains their specious reasoning about our instance specifically, as it seems we’ve been on their shit list for a bit longer than that.
This instance and its admin staff encourages identity politics, groupthink, mob mentality, and extremist solutions to societal problems. Users who advocate violence are not moderated so long as the admins agree with the target. Caution and critical thinking are advised when interacting with this instance or its users.
When you use tesseract to connect to one blacklisted such instance , you just get a message informing you that Tesseract is “incompatible with that instance” which leads one to think of a technical issue, like an API mismatch, rather than the dev being an opinionated coward.
Isn’t it funny how all the software developed by turbolibs, like Piefed and Tesseract, end up with hidden control mechanisms from developers who think they know better than everyone else? That they don’t just think they deserve to tell you what you should think, but they should manipulate you to think it? Isn’t it funny how libs go on about how bad it is to support lemmy due to the ideology of the devs behind it, and yet lemmy has 0 opinions as a software? It does make one think…
Anyway, I forked - it as one does - and disabled the blacklist, but since this is a massively ideologically compromised software, I’ll doubt I’ll keep this frontend up after Lemmy 1.0. I think we’ll bring up mlmym again now that someone’s maintaining it again.
Whining about .ml takes up more of my feed than .ml
Gotta throw Hexbear, Lemmygrad, and Exploding Heads in there too if your instance hasn’t defederated from 'em.
Don’t forget hilariouschaos.
Don’t forget Lemmy.World!
It sure would be swell if people could, at the very least, elevate to a 2d view of politics. Hearing the majority of quadrants II, III, and IV all referred to all “far-left” is confusing at best.
I just moved to lemmy.zip from dbzer0 and before that, world, mainly because I want to be the one blocking, I don’t want my instance to block for me. I must not be subscribed to the right places, because I just don’t see a whole lot of CCP/RUS apologia? I’m pretty good at passing over shit I know I won’t agree with though, so it might just not be registering.
Dotzip does have default blocks on new accounts iirc, you should check this if it’s of importance to you.
Isn’t that only PieFed.zip, but not Lemmy.zip that has the default instance blocks? I am fairly certain that this is the case, but even so could still be wrong:-).
Tangentially, the transparency surrounding this issue is abysmal.
Oh, it is also remotely possible that simply nobody on that instance has signed up to those communities yet - it requires at least one local subscriber to pull in new content.
Another possibility is the admins having blocked the specific communities even if not the entire instance. There is no way to tell which these are, as the Lemmy devs decided to not expose that information to users (fwiw, neither does PieFed).
Unsure about our piefed side, but default blocks are definitely in for the Lemmy end. See this post:
To help new users settle in to Lemmy, we’ve added some of what we call “Default Blocks” to your account. These are instances where the content is quite graphic (NSFW) or very political in nature.
Oh that’s really neat, thanks for sharing!!:-)
From other comments here, I am piecing together the fact that - probably since instance blocks don’t truly exist in Lemmy - the Lemmy side implements these blocks as “community” ones, while the PieFed side either does the same and I simply did not comprehend the difference at the time or else it might use PieFed’s instance blocking functionality. Someone on the PieFed side could test this by looking at this OP to see if comments from people on a blocked-by-default instance (Hexbear.net?) are visible, since those would be hidden by an instance block but not a community one.
Either way, having such optional functionality even further strengthens my respect of the .zip pair of instances - those admins seem really on the ball, working hard to truly care for the people who join:-). Lemmy vs. PieFed software seems far less relevant than having such a great admin team vs. not.
Rick and the gang do look after us well, and always pop in monthly with server stats & news etc.
I feel like we’ve got the balance right by leaving some training wheels on for the more contentious topics, with the user choosing to remove the blocks if it pleases them to do so.
Which makes it the only instance on the entire Threadiverse that does that, afaik.
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Yeah, me either. I wish there were waves of militant leftists. Would certainly make a change.
How do you cope with seeing feddit.org comments?
I have never noticed any problem with lemmy.ml.
Block all the low-quality meme/image content if lemmy feels tiring. Stop consuming garbage.
“Saying this as someone who considers themselves a leftist”
Which country do you consider yourself a leftist in?
I think you can be legitimately a Leftist but also not insane. There’s a lot of posters over in that part of Lemmy who talk like they’d be overjoyed at the idea of rounding up everyone who’d ever expressed a view to the right of Trotsky, on Day Zero, and sending them to the gulags for being an Enemy of the Revolution.
to the right of Trotsky
This shows that you have never read a discussion from there.
/s
Now you are definitely from the usa
They’re also somewhat lacking in enough self-awareness to realize when they’re really not presenting a good case for themselves.
(edit oh wait nm I just spotted it’s a 2-week-old account being obnoxious, easy one for the block list)
THERE IS ONLY THE US
;-)
The only country there is, of course, Brazil
Fair enough, there was a chance you were from the usa and claiming to be a leftist, I was going to laugh at you.
Good work on the shaving!
“Far left” is a stretch. Seems more like a submission kink thing.
