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      Man, I miss the “As a libertarian” guy on reddit. Dude would start every comment like that before saying something insane.

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      As a libertarian I would advocate selling liquor to all babies who can afford it.

      FTFY

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      As a 19th century physician I can only agree, and suggest pairing it with a spoonful of soothing cocaine syrup for maximum efficacy.

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          Nonsense! Can you look at how that kid’s bouncing off the walls and honestly tell me that cocaine isn’t a healthy and energizing remedy?

          (Yeah, I was trying to think of morphine but wrote cocaine because brain = dumb)

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            I mean they’re two lines away from each other (with cannabis in the middle) for doc duckerson’s miracle cough expressant, it’s an easy mistake to make

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      I mean, expecting libertarians to follow age of consent laws in any area is kind of foolish . . .

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      As a progressive with libertarian tendencies, I would add that alcoholic babies should also have access to rehab if they want it.

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        should also have access to rehab if they want it. can afford it.

        Ftfy what kind of libertarian did you say you were

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          The kind that cares about individual liberty, not the “bUt WhO’s GoInG tO pAy FoR iT” kind.

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            The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread

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          I was shooting heroin and reading “The Fountainhead” in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief.

          “Bad news, detective. We got a situation.”

          “What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?”

          “Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars’ worth of bitcoins.”

          The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. “What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?”

          “Not yet. But mark my words: we’re going to figure out who did this and we’re going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so.”

          “Easy, chief,” I said. “Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.”

          He laughed. “That’s why you’re the best I got, Lisowski. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins.”

          “Don’t worry,” I said. “I’m on it.”

          I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside.

          “Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®” I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul. “Nobody move unless you want to!” They didn’t.

          “Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?” No one spoke up.

          “Come on,” I said. “Don’t you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?”

          It didn’t seem like they did.

          “Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I’m just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or autographed Penn Jillette posters.”

          Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn’t care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing.

          I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it.

          “Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®” I yelled.

          Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him.

          “Stop right there!” I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen.

          I was losing him. “Listen, I’ll pay you to stop!” I yelled. “What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I’ll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn ‘Bob Barr ‘08’ extra-large long-sleeved men’s T-shirt!”

          He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose.

          “All right, all right!” the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. “I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins.”

          “Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy.

          “Because I was afraid.”

          “Afraid?”

          “Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers,” he said. “I’m a central banker.”

          I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head.

          “Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street,” I said. “No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you’ll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom.”

          He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me.

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    I read that cut-off sign as saying

    “YAY!

    IT’S

    TRANSFEM”

    and all I could think was “imagine knowing that early AND having supportive parents”

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    Objection! They believe that life starts at conception, but not that aging starts at conception! This is why people are not considered 9 months old at birth!

    Conceptually, people can also be frozen at any age, which “pauses” or slows their aging (see: Captain America, Han Solo, Dave Lister)

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      that’s a good steelman. but this is why I think the better argument is Hasan’s usual hypothetical about this: there’s a fire in a hospital and you can only get into one of the rooms in time to save some people. do you go into NICU where you could save a couple babies or to the IVF section where you can save thousands of embryos?

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        This hypothetical is great as it forces them to admit born babies are more important than embryos, but it doesn’t prove embryos are not alive

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          it’s not about them being alive; embryos are alive, that’s not even disputed. it’s about whether the life is a person. if you think the babies are more important you’re already conceding the embryos don’t have personhood, or at least not to the degree that babies do.

          either case they shouldn’t have the same rights as actual people. if you think an embryo is a person then you can’t choose the couple babies over so many people. or if you do it’s still going to be fun hearing you try to justify it without conceding.

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        In a fertility crisis with aging population (e.g as bad as upside down population pyramid) people might save the hundreds of embryos

        Edit: I didn’t notice that you said babies the first time i read that tbh. Lol.

        Yes even a eugenicist would say the babies are more valuable than embryos because you can see that they’re healthy, whereas with an embryo it’s unproven.

        Many would also prioritise them because they have reached consciousness so there is “suffering cost” at play.

        Doesn’t prove that embryos aren’t life though, as another commenter said.

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          theres no fertility crisis, its an economic crisis. greedy rich people are ruining the world and making existing unaffordable so no one can afford to have babies.

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      Like I tell a friend of mine who was premature: Do you want to celebrate your birthday today or in a couple months when you should have been born?

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      Your age is defined by your birth Thus your age before birth is negative. And an estimate. Quod erat ipsum dolor et maximus.

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        I struggle to parse the Latin. My first reading would be “That’s why it was pain and the greatest…”

        What does the maximus refer to? Is it an attribute to dolor, and if so, what does the et refer to?

        Or am I supposed to read it as an implied duplication or retroactive emphasis? “pain, the greatest (pain) even.”

        Or is there something I’m missing between morning brain and rusted skills?

        Or is it not actually sound Latin and I’m trying way harder than I should?

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          Let me help you a bit since you got morning brain

          Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Morbi ac ultricies ipsum, nec fermentum quam. Ut gravida nisl purus, et interdum risus porttitor a. Aenean euismod tellus ante, viverra fermentum tortor commodo a. Praesent lacus mauris, efficitur eget odio a, mollis fringilla eros. Orci varius natoque penatibus et magnis dis parturient montes, nascetur ridiculus mus. Duis bibendum euismod mi id maximus. Vestibulum lacinia tincidunt sapien vel lobortis. Curabitur consectetur iaculis iaculis. Mauris tincidunt elit ac quam finibus, id dapibus leo sodales.

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            I suspected that, but couldn’t find the specific bit in the Lorem Ipsum text, nor in the original its fragments were lifted from, so I assumed it was a genuine quote or self-constructed sentence.

            I’ll file it under “went way too hard on a throwaway blurb” then, thanks.

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      Is Dave Lister an actual real life person? Or is it a fictional character like the others? Otherwise, they can’t be taken as examples. That’s like saying that oh yeah, a toddler can totally lift a car no problem… see Superman.

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    puts on devil’s advocate hat

    No, because liquor laws don’t care about when life began. They care about date of birth. Life beginning at conception does not erase date of birth as a valid type of data.

    removes hat because I’m not pro-life

    We should not rely on “pro-lifers are too stupid to understand how to refute this” when deciding our views.

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      If you get a pro lifer giving this excuse comment about how “When life starts and age start are different.”. Then flip it into a gender vs sex being different and see where they go.

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    As long as the ID looks legit and the baby isn’t already visibly drunk, I’ve done my job.

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    I would sell liquor to that baby. I would sell liquor to any baby. I am not claiming to be a morally righteous person.

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    What I really want to know: Is Abortionado pronounced like afficianado, and they are an expert in abortions? Or is it like Tornado, and they are a tornado of abortions?

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    He can buy it, but maybe he should wait to drink it.

    My rule is, if you are dead when brain dead with a beating heart then you are not alive until you are brain alive with a beating heart. Life starts with brain activity, around 16 weeks.

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      I go by the Jewish rule.

      In the Old Testament, God breathed life into Adam, and thus he became a living soul.

      So until the infant takes its first breath, it’s not an actual soul. It is a lump of tissue with potential.

      I hope that there are as few abortions as are absolutely necessary, but I will not begrudge a single person their choice to have an abortion regardless of the stage of the pregnancy at which it happens.

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        it’s not an actual soul. It is a lump of tissue with potential.

        It’s part of the mother according to Jewish law.

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            Yes but abortion procedures are not unique to Jewish doctors. Egypt, China, India, Rome; all of them practiced abortions both medically induced and surgical.

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        Respiration still occurs through the umbilical. You shouldn’t use sky fairy tales for scientific bases.

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          Internal (diffusion of gases from the bloodstream into the tissues of the body) respiration =/=external respiration (diffusion of atmospheric gases through the alveolus into the bloodstream)

          And respiration is only half of breathing, the other half being ventilation.

          Don’t use science to put someone down when you don’t even understand what you’re talking about