It’s been hard trying to ram into liberals’ thick skulls that the “lesser evil” voting shtick that comes every four goddamn years doesn’t quite energize people to haul their asses to the booths, especially when said lesser evil is the incumbent. But I’ve seen some come around recently, so it’s something.
Also doesn’t help when the “lesser evil” policy continues to become increasingly indistinguishable from the “greater evil” policy.
We have reached peak evil. There’s no crime that is actually worse than genocide. Libs have lesser-eviled themselves to the bottom of the pit and arrived at the ultimate evil. technically they’ve been there for a long time, but the rank and file had no idea. Now they know what’s going on, it’s in the news, it’s on their social media.
“Meet me in the middle,” says the unjust man…
sure says the other unjust man
They are both unjust
Look, you’re just going to have to hold your nose and vote Genocidal Fascist Party. You don’t want Fascist-Genocidalist Party to win, do you?
Also, Donald Trump is an evil fascist, but he’s a cheap evil fascist. He would definitely inflame tensions with rhetorical support for Israel, say “Jerusalem is definitely seriously the capital guys”, and probably appoint his son in law as their diplomat.
…but he probably wouldn’t send them free weapons. There are a lot of areas where he is the greater evil but I don’t actually think this is one of them.
The US has given weapons to Israel since the 1960s.
The libs would actually pretend to care about Palestinians and pretend to side against Israel if Trump were president.
Lib here. I care about Palestine and I also feel strongly that Israel shouldn’t even have been established or founded in the first place. Here’s why; state of Israel from the get-go grabbed land, was hostile and violent against Palestinians… When state of Israel was getting established they bombed in cities and villages and terrorized the population… Then they massacred a village. That’s how Israel formed. There was 10% Jewish and the rest 90% were Palestinians and Arabs (Christians and Muslims).
Probably if You ask enough liberals you’d find out that most don’t agree with the history of Israel and it’s fucked up ways against humanity.
Also Britain for the most part was responsible for all of this Palestinian/ Israeli mess to begin with. Then everyone else (other western countries) got involved.
Will you condemn Hamas?
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Lmao, gottem
The coolest way to short circuit peoples brains is to say “the state of israel doesn’t have the right to exist”.
Lib here
Might I persuade you to reconsider this part? Liberalism/neoliberalism is what produced and maintained Israel, along with many other genocidal projects across the world, even if the liberals in your community shake their heads and then vote blue anyway.
Lib here.
Stopped reading there
I’m sure Israel wouldn’t have had much trouble bribing him to do it.
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Imagine the PLFP bombing Trump-Hotel and Casino Tel Aviv.
he’s not a fascist. Many of his supporters are but he clearly just does whatever gets attention.
He has arrived at fascism as a winning strategy, but that still makes him a fascist.
Distinction without a difference if his narcissism enables fascists
The lesser evil is just the greater evil with an 8-year delay
Most liberals don’t give a shit and are arguing in bad faith, be it consciously or not
Most don’t, but a good portion do. Many of us in the West were once disillusioned libs, even. It’s absolutely necessary to further the disillusionment many have with the Dems, if not to turn them over to socialism then to weaken the duopoly and gain strength from the increasing illegitimacy of the system.
It also doesn’t work when “the lesser evil” spiel has been used for 40-odd years
Yea at some point you can’t use the same person with the outchx of “vote for him.and he’ll be more progressive” after people have watched that not happen 6 times with their own eyes.
So to counteract that liberals wrote an op Ed telling that person they’re wrong and stupid.
Easily the funniest thing would be Biden winning the electoral college but losing the pop vote.
the funniest thing would be literally no one voting
hacking the voting machines not to cheat the election but to remove all the presidential and senate votes.
Funniest outcome: Biden has a massive stroke shortly before the election, Trump wins easily vs a literally braindead opponent, then trump dies of McCardiacArrest before taking office, leaving us with president, uh idk maybe Matt Gatez or something.
leaving us with president, uh idk maybe Matt Gatez or something.
Mike Pillow
They’ll find cocaine in the White House again (not Hunter this time)
You ever wonder what those pillows are stuffed with?
Kennedy’s expired amphetamine pills
With a similar scenario, we can have 4 presidents in 2025:
January 1, 2025 - January 2, 2025: Biden is president until he dies from a stroke
January 2, 2025: - Trump inauguration: Harris is president until she hands over the presidency to Trump
Trump inauguration - Trump heart attack: Trump is president until he dies from a heart attack
post-Trump heart attack: The VP becomes president
chuds would shed their material bodies and ascend to a plane of pure cope
Inshallah
Hey champ, can we maybe not talk about genocide right now?? Huh bud? Chief? Can we not do that while the most important election of our lifetimes is happening?? That ok buddy?
1 year into the term: hey buddy it’s only been a year. These things take time. Be patient.
2 years in: champ it’s almost midterms. We can’t lose the Senate over Palestine, the adults in the room have more important concerns.
3 years in: fam we have [arbitrary self- or GOP-initiated crisis like a government shutdown or Supreme Court decision] to deal with. This has to wait. We only have so much political capital.
4 years in: this is the most important election
“Don’t let perfect be the enemy of being good”
Liberals will blame three groups in this order: “Woke” leftists against genocide, Palestinian/Arab Americans, Black people
Probably any latinos that vote for Trump too. It happened in 2020 as well with neoliberal going from praising black voters for stopping Bernie to making racist comments about latinos for voting Trump in Florida.
Yeah. I’m cool with it. Fuck those fascist shitheads. Some
were handwaving “Genocide Joe” saying it was a GOP talking point. Fucking hell. I used to wonder, how could the Holocaust happen? How could so many people be complicit in something so horrible? I still don’t understand it, but I’m afraid I’m starting to.The rhetorical refuge of libs trying to vote scold right now is that genocide is going to happen either way, so you need to swallow your selfish pride and vote for the least bad genocide enabler.
A vote for someone endorsing genocide is apparently not approval of the genocide either. Vote for genocide but shake your head while doing it so everyone sees you disapprove.
“I may have voted for the man but I did not wear the I voted sticker.”
I dont get how libs dont recognize how vote scolding just galvanizes whoever theyre scolding against them is the thing. Like it works on literally noone. Is it just a ritual to virtue signal to the in group?
Is it just a ritual to virtue signal to the in group?
Yes. Dems are a lifestyle brand, its all an just an aesthetic.
where did you come from?
where did you go?
I’ll never vote for Genocide Joei’ve got that thing from kill bill where a siren goes off when I see someone’s face, but it’s cotton eyed joe when I see Genocide Joe
I was banned from two different lemmyworld political coms for being against this kinda shit lol
well done
TYFYS 
Bit idea: Joe Biden is a tankie.
- Supports sending the tanks (to Ukraine).
- Supports Muslim genocide (in Palestine).
See? Bona fide tankie.
they’re 100% just gonna blame Muslims
Trump could put them in camps and libs would tell them they deserve it for not voting harder
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At this point, does it even matter what their spin doctors and their strategic autopsies conclude? If an electoral system only presents two options against genocide: feverish support, or guilty complicitness then it’s fucking useless, it belongs in the garbage. It sucks that it took me a genocide to really really recognize how useless partisan electoralism is, because it’s hard to dispell the illusion that maybe it’ll give you some crumbs if the right guy comes along. Nope, not even in the face of genocide will it cede an inch.
They can line up along party lines because it spurs controversy, which increases turnout and publicity. There’s plenty of money floating to both sides to balance that out.
Our cowardly, self-serving politicians won’t dare bite the hand that feeds them. The Mossad is our second pair of eyes in the Middle East, and Israeli backed AIPAC money runs deep in American politics.
Most low income people were materially better off under Trump, whose pandemic policies resulted in the lowest childhood poverty rate since the 90s. (These welfare policies were cancelled or expired under Biden.)
Dems will still assume 3rd party and non-voters have a strong Biden preference.
If not for the pandemic, he wouldn’t have done any of it. It wasn’t a particular position of Trump’s to give that money, he just was in the position to do so at a time of crisis.
The intent doesn’t change the reality. If your kid only had food to eat because of a Trump policy and you’re presented with a choice between him and a nigh-identical ancient piece of shit, which one do you think you’re going to pull the lever for?
Nigh identical ancient piecee of shit that let the expanded child tax credits expire putting you back to where your kids couldn’t depend on having food*
I agree 100%, people won’t understand why things happened, they’ll just know that they got money from one old weird fucker and got that money taken away by another old weird fucker.
But how many people are going to see it that way vs just “Trump instated these programs that helped us, Biden took them away.”?
Very few. Talking to rural Americans and a common thing they’ll say is, “I remember the economy being a lot better under Trump.”
It’s not like the pandemic stopped under Biden, we just decided to pretend it did.
Material conditions!
Nah, havent you heard? The dems won the Kentucky governors race by a few points so absolutely nothing has to change and Biden will breeze to victory in all the swing states polls say hes seriously underwater in
I’m expecting Islamophobia to become even more ingrained as usual with libs leading the charge and going “If Muslims didn’t want Islamophobia maybe they shouldn’t have voted for the Muslim ban president 💅”
Idk tho today’s election results look pretty bad for the GOP lol. Just like the midterms did. Its possible that Joe himself will lose the presidency while GOP lose heavily elsewhere though? But like, the GOP is still dealing with a deflated base that got what they wanted in Dobbs and don’t care anymore, and continue to run on culture war bullshit that noone actually cares about.
There’s also the issue of RFK Jr, who is apparently mostly pulling votes from Trump.
Like yes absolutely 100% the genocide is going to deflate the zoomer vote* that helped Dems out so much in the midterms but I think the GOP is having electoral problems too, not the least of which that they support the Genocide too, which is going to make the whole thing a mess.
*Not to mention the Muslim vote which obviously tanked for good reason, and is a material thing in at least one swing state.
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It’s very easy to imagine democrats having a good election otherwise and just losing a couple of swing states and thus the presidency.
This election is like the end of Dallas Cowboys and Philadelphia Eagles game last Sunday…both teams desperately trying to lose
Yeah I was going to say, the GOP has failed to find a particular angle to go after. I think Trump’s legal problems are too confusing for the average chud to care about and it’s not enough for them to care about their local politicians, or it’s not something that grants them to say racist stuff.
Also as dire as the culture war is, I do have a gut feeling that it’s just not enough to organize around. Conservative voters simply don’t care enough. Whether that’s because they don’t understand, or they have limited exposure to the trans people they’re supposed to hate, I don’t know. Transphobic legislation keeps failing when it’s up for public referendum. Abortion referendums keep failing to restrict abortion rights as well. Republicans have to keep slamming those through without votes through state supreme courts or legislature. You’re right, they’re getting what they want with abortion, it’s practically illegal in half the country. They’re failing to move onto whatever’s next.
I don’t really know what the strategy is going to be here. The Republicans really do seem adrift when it comes to having a coordinated base, like I haven’t seen it like this since they failed to get interested in Mitt Romney in 2012, or I guess when Bob Dole failed to capture them in 1996.
Conservative voters simply don’t care enough. Whether that’s because they don’t understand, or they have limited exposure to the trans people they’re supposed to hate
I think that’s part of it. Trans people are such a minority you can go your whole life without knowingly meeting one if you don’t live on a major metro area. What they hate is a bunch of caricatures they see on online social media, but there isn’t much place to direct that hate. As opposed to the segregationist south, they had black people in your zip code they could easily walk up to and express their bigotry towards. It was easier to keep the hate flowing cuz there was actually a concrete “other” that was moving into your space. Some CHUD in Nebraska would probably have to drive two hours to find the nearest trans person. Not that they wouldn’t but it takes some time to coordinate that shit,
At the risk of entertaining the lib in me, I do think investing in elections is fine for the left if it’s done as supplementary. But I’m surprised the People’s Party genuinely has gone absolutely nowhere.
Republicans are running on brand loyalty alone, and dems are running on being a reaction to the GOP. I would think the People’s Party would try to get one small win in a pretty small state like Rhode Island, make the news or something. While I’m not kidding myself and can safely say that only dems or GOP will be relevant on a federal level, I find that there are small wins to be had at the state and local level, and a breath of fresh air would clown on both parties.
Electoralism =/= participating in elections
Electoralism is treating elections as the primary vehicle for change
Ah, my mistake. I’m silly.
Isn’t the People’s Party a bunch of grifters? I haven’t bothered looking too into them, it just seemed like a grift
