“It’s all good. I have a +15 to Knowledge checks.”
rolls a nat 1
Typical brothers, gives you his cloak of wisdom instead of his cloak of knowledge. Never again Dave, that broke the centuries of trust we had built.
Dave’s not here, man!
It’s, Dave, man. Open up, I think the cops saw me come in here.
Cloak of Wisdom: “Should’ve got the Cloak of Knowledge.”
Cloak of Knowledge: “Should’ve got the Cloak of Understanding”
End result is him walking into the next test with fifty cloaks on.
“should have got the Cloak of Encumbrance”
Gonna need a Cloak of Cooling with all those layers
Another failure to understand intellect from wisdom
I’ve heard many different explanations of intelligence vs wisdom, and I used to think it made sense.
Like, intelligence is raw processing power while wisdom is having the advantage of experience.
Or like a smart man looks for oncoming cars before crossing a one-way street, while a wise man looks both ways before crossing a one-way street.
But the more I know about the world, the less I think experienced people are necessarily wiser. They’re only wiser if they have the intelligence, clarity, and willpower to learn from their past.
So to me, it seems that wisdom is more like the area under the intelligence curve. Which would make them inexorably linked.
Time to wheel out an old classic:
Intelligence is knowing tomatoes are a fruit
Wisdom is knowing not to put tomatoes in fruit salad
Bonus: Charisma is selling tomato based fruit salad as salsaDexterity is dodging rotten tomatoes
Strength is punching a tomato so hard that it turns into ketchup.Constitution is winning a tomato eating contest
Constitution is being able to digest a rotten tomato without getting sick or dying.
Ever watch Cool Hand Luke?
What we’ve got here is failure to communicate.
No, dexterity is removing the stem/core without crushing the tomato, or slicing it without smushing it
Then what’s agility?
In DnD it’s not an ability score since they use dexterity to mean agility anyway.
Dexterity is about precision, usually with your hands. It should be about more fine motor skills your stuff.
Agility is technically just being about to change directions quickly, but I feel like it applies to gross motor skills, like dodging or acrobatics.
The flights over DND definitions are endless though.
For tomatoes… Agility is dodging. Dexterity is catching without smooshing it.
Ngl i was thinking in the context of Fallout cause ive been playing way too much FNV XD
Heck yeah. I like the special system!
Agility is the quality of being breakable or becoming damaged under light stress or force in relation to the expected use for an object or system.
Dodging the ketchup
Dammit now I want salsa but it’s time for bed
Wisdom is perception and intuition. Intelligence is mental acuity, recall, reasoning.
I find it funny that the abilities are still so debated when they are explained pretty well in every DND book. I feel like it gets brought up almost once per session lol.
I suspect that one disconnect is that we’re not specifically talking about DND. This isn’t an RPG community or a DND community. It’s just a comic strip community.
The comic has a cloak of wisdom, but otherwise seems to be entirely in a modern setting.
The person I responded to just mentioned “intelligence” and “wisdom”, and people do talk about these with regard to real life and not games. In fact, my aphorism about looking both ways at a one-way street is one that was created referencing real life.
Wisdom is more about how to apply knowledge to practical situations. It can be gained from experience, but not always, and sometimes it could be completely intuitional. Like someone in a situation they’ve never faced before, but instinctively knew what to do without really being able to explain why.
I agree that intelligence is about processing power, but in more human terms I think it’s about being able to follow a trail of facts to their logical conclusions, and being able to extrapolate/interpolate accurately.
It’s also commonly confused with knowledge, which is really just about how many facts you know. You can know a lot of things and still be stupid, and you can know few things and still be smart. I’ve met people who have memorized a lot of facts, but were incapable of actually thinking.
The way that makes the most sense for me is intelligence is related to external learning (books, from others, from detailed study of things, etc) whereas wisdom comes primarily from internal observation (self-reflection, personal experience, situational awareness, etc.)
Ding ding ding! This is why sorcerers and dragons relay on wisdom, and mages relay on intelligence. One is born with a gift, the other is learned. And I think, at least older DnD, did it right to have a mage be able to do more through study than a sorcerer would be able to muster on providence.
But lots of people take long years of reflection to gain wisdom. That’s why Clerics and Monks use wisdom.
I always thought of a hierarchy:
Data, information, knowledge, wisdom.
Intelligence being the ability to move further up that scale.I’d argue for the existence of a third stat, Reflection. This would be the ability to meta-analyze acquired information and create elastic principles out of it, allowing knowledge to be used in novel ways.
Someone can acquire all the book knowledge in the world, or learn at the feet of the wisest elders, but many otherwise brilliant people can’t apply what they’ve learned outside of the context they learned it in. Reflection turns brittle knowledge into flexible systems and concepts that can be applied elsewhere.
The downside is that reflection takes time - many times more than rote learning - and free time is the ultimate luxury in modern civilization. Our education systems try to cram as much knowledge into students’ heads as quickly as possible, then wonders why graduates are so inept when they encounter anything unfamiliar.
(And maybe that’s the real reason so many cultures venerate elders: it’s not just that they carry the accumulated experience of several decades, but that once retired they finally had the time to look back and reflect on their life.)
Wisdom is evaluated experience. Some people don’t “think”, hence never learn from their mistakes.
Others are so open to learning that they don’t even need to make the mistake first to learn to avoid it, as reading about it in a book is sufficient.
The key in either of these scenarios - negative or positive - is being willing to learn.
Intelligence is mere processing power, which meh, can help, but is neither necessary nor sufficient.
I think it’s also ability to learn and ability to extrapolate and correctly understand the lessons learned. A fool (one lacking wisdom) may see the car going the wrong way down the one way street and conclude that it’s not a one way street or that traffic rules don’t matter, whereas the wise person sees it and concludes that sometimes people will ignore traffic rules and so they shouldn’t entrust their safety to the assumption that everyone is following them.
The fool loudly proclaims that they have “arrived” at knowing something, while a wise person will always stay curious!
Fools think themselves wise, but the wise know themselves to be fools.
Experience is narrow.
I think wisdom is just losing the fire of youth and being able to take more time to think things over.
Wisdom is intelligence applied. Or perhaps, wisdom is the synthesis of intelligence.
Will Hunting starts out the movie with mad intelligence and little to no wisdom, and the movie is the story of him shifting from one to the other.
My take: Intelligence is the rate at which you can acquire wisdom.
Most exams are measurements of neither. They’re a test of knowledge.
You are technically correct. The best kind
My mom called this “read and regurgitate.”
Is it exceedingly uncommon to just read the material, not study beyond that, and still test well?
Math and physics (or any subject that requires calculation) usually requires practice. Applying the knowledge in a short timeframe is different skillset then just having the knowledge.
That being said, for some people in STEM the homework is >90% of the practice that you need to pass the exams.
That is, unless it’s a topic that’s mainly memorization like medicine or organic chemistry
You usually don’t have to memorize too much stuff for mathy subjects. At least when I went to uni we were always allowed cheat sheets.
If you’re the type that can lessen the concepts easily, practice and study might not be as important.
I will tell you the key to educational success: get the syllabus, study the topic before class including the homework if you can, use class to check your knowledge, after class review anything you found out in class you need to review. Use office hours to reinforce anything you’re struggling with.
It may not work perfectly for everyone, but if it can get an idiot like me into every top ranked program in the world I’ve ever wanted to attend, it can probably do a little for you.
Not everyone learns the same way. Some people require tedious study to get the information to stick, while others can grasp the concepts and retain information when first presented.
The valedictorian of my high school class was one of the dumbest people I’ve ever met, but she spent an inordinate amount of time studying so she could regurgitate it on a test without actually understanding any of it.
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+10 wisdom, -100 regret 😭 the stats checked out way too late.
Before exam - Scumbag Brain: Bro I got you, come on let’s go grab a drink!
During exam - Scumbag Brain: Dude they totally didn’t cover any of this shit.
After Exam - Scumbag Brain: Oh hey buddy, you know all those answers you were looking for, here you go! Wow dude, you fucked up MAJOR.
A clever fellow has a telescope. He sees what everyone else sees, but clearer and sooner.
A smart fellow has a microscope. He can see things no one else sees.
A wise man has a mirror.
Is Plato really dead?
Plato is still alive, but it’s no longer considered a planet.
s/
No, silly, plato means dish in Spanish.
No sofia is a Spanish dish.
No the Sophists tried to persuade people through rhetoric instead of dialectic, which is why Plato hated them.
No, the Sophomores were a doo-wop group
Not as long as you can see his shadow
But if you do, that means we’ll have 6 more weeks of winter.
A cloak of knowledge would’ve been useful. Or if they are practical problems on the test, a cloak of intelligence.
But considering this guy isn’t smart, he probably thought wisdom and intelligence are interchangeable. XD
Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.
Wisdom tells you that it doesn’t belong in a fruit salad.
Get cloak of trickery instead, for cheating reasons.
Poor planning. Should have tried the cape on in advanced, it would have told him to study when there was still time.
But that would require the wisdom of forethought in the first place.
Or just curiosity
But then again, curiosity and wisdom often come as a package
Ok, cat.
:3
I feel like the cloak would also let you see patterns how like most multiple choice questions involve two similar answers, one very wrong one, and one that would be correct if you do a single thing wrong.
Or help you do the kind of bullshitting that written response tests generally require. You know, without actual subject knowledge
That’s intelligence.
not if we’re going by the rules that a cloak of wisdom is from
Cleaned and upscaled:
Why would you remove the author’s name?
Because dip shit there thinks artist attribution is equal to advertising. They’re a known troll.
Hard to imagine a shittier thing someone could do in a comic thread
god damn we need moderation. has anyone tried to get ahold of the sole moderator so we can get this idiot banned?
Stop responding to them or giving them attention
oh I’m just using their comment as a sounding board for frustration. nothing will make this kind of troll stop except a ban.
engaging, not engaging, neither matters.
