Remember when NFTs sold for millions of dollars? 95% of the digital collectibles are now probably worthless.::NFTs had a huge bull run two years ago, with billions of dollars per month in trading volume, but now most have crashed to zero, a study found.
correction… always were worthless.
It’s always been a con game.
Their so-called “value” was always determined by the ability of the person shilling it to make up bullshit. Literally the definition of a “confidence” game. Same problem as crypto in general. It’s only has value if you have confidence in the person shilling it. The moment that person loses the confidence of their marks, the entire thing crumbles to nothing because it isn’t backed by any real tangible assets.
Also money laundering and tax rebate schemes.
akshuallllyyyyyyyy, monetary value of anything is derivative to someone else’s willingness to purchase the item
You can use this logic to explain away any other ponzi scheme too.
It’s not really logic, and I don’t think it’s defending anything, it’s just the definition of monetary worth.
For better or for worse, stuff is always as valuable as people consider it to be. Which may be related to how useful that stuff is, but often is not.
Sure, but some systems are way more stable since they are established and have the general trust of a lot of people. And others simply don’t have that wide ranging trust and as such aren’t stable.
That’s why I trust money issued by a government. Because even if individual politicians are evil and useless, the money is still backed by bombs and bullets a huge amount of infrastructure and tangible assets.
untrue.
Real currency is backed by assets. that used to be the “gold standard”, but has become more ephemeral since the end of the first world war.
A government issued currency is backed by that government’s infrastructure, taxes, tariffs, etc… basically how powerful that government is on the world stage.
in contrast, crypto is backed by nothing more than how persuasive the creator is because the creator doesn’t need any assets to create a crypto currency in the first place.
Heck, in one case, some techbro created a crypto currency, and convinced a bunch of people that it would be stable because he was backing it with ANOTHER crypto currency he literally created for that only purpose.
And people FELL FOR IT!
When something can be created out of thin air with no assets needed but a GPU, it’s inherently worthless.
It’s utter insanity.
This was the comment I came here to make. “They were always worthless.”
Sounds a lot like the banking system today lol.
Edit: Idk why all yall turds down voted me. The u.s. dollar is literally not backed by any physical asset… look up fiat money and do research on the dollar.
Yes it is. It’s backed by the US’s economic power on the world stage. That’s how economies function.
Crypto can be created or of thin air by literally any tech bro with a GPU. By definition that is literally worthless
So like art. No tangible assets, but the value is derived by the highest bidder.
No, because with art, there’s still a literal piece of art.
With NFTs, it’s just a shitty jpeg some tech bro photoshopped up in five minutes.
Not even photoshopped, that would be too much effort. Nah, the most infamous NFTs are a few different elements (different mouths, eyes, accessories, etc) and then a whole bunch of permutations generated from those elements. For a technology with a supposed selling point of scarcity, you’d think they’d try to make the art special instead of procedurally-generated trash, but of course the real purposes were scams and money laundering.
Actually you’re still a bit overestimating it.
Most NFT’s are literally just hyperlinks, where the hyperlink could suffer link rot and stop working OR the image on the other side of the hyperlink could be changed.
And as LegalEagle had pointed out “You can’t own that”
Yea, it’s truly amazing anyone fell for those stupid things… Sooo little effort was supposed to magically generate real value!? Give me a break… It was sooo obviously just a way to get people to pool money in an unsafe way so it could be pocketed.
Who ever donated to those scams didn’t deserve the money, as much as their losses are still a tragedy. Still, the scammers deserve that money even less. Bunch of idiots all around.
What about regular digital art?
…is not an NFT
It is art and doesn’t need NFTs to give it value. People comission digital pieces all the time and don’t need NFTs to get it done.
The thing with art is that even if the art itself is completely worthless, the materials used are not.
You can sell a “worthless” painting to be used as firewood.
Same with digital assets, they can be sold to be used as templates or even to train an AI.
But a location in some useless database (which is essentially what an NFT is) does not.
Well I am shocked!
No not actually.
Out of the top collections, the most common price for an NFT is now $5-$10.
Still overpriced!
I’m honestly amazed they’re worth anything at all.
We have been attributing a huge value to a metal that’s mostly remarkable for being yellow and shinny for millennia, one of the biggest investment bubbles in history was over a flower, and people thought that using a loophole to profit from the arbitrage of international reply coupons was going to last forever. Hell, people paid for fake property titles for land on the Moon and Mars. It’s not that surprising that some people think that buying a random number in a distributed database is an investment.
Don’t forget the beanie babies, which just like NFTs were created to be scarce and be seen as an investment.
Turned out the same as well.
I didn’t get the “arbitrage of international reply coupons” reference. What’s that one?
That’s what Ponzi told people he was doing. And in the beginning he was, and it was working, but then he started paying investors with other investors money.
And in the beginning he was, and it was working
I might be wrong, but to my recollection, he never got it to work; in the beginning, he merely believed that he could eventually get it to work, and that the first fraudulent payouts to early investors were originally intended as a temporary way of buying time without losing investors.
The OG ponzi
True, but to be fair, them shiny metals for the longest time were reasonably rare and couldn’t be made, and served well for a means of currency. NFTs are pretty ridiculous all things considered. People also “bought” stars too, so yeah, many will buy dumb shit.
They’re still not
I’d pay $10 to clown on some tech bro if I cared enough. $10 doesn’t even buy you a sandwich these days
It’s just a “Save picture as…” with extra steps, and money!
If you want to give me an NFT, I won’t accept it unless you sweeten the deal with an additional 20 €.
Small correction: Even though some NFTs sold for millions, the NFTs have always been worthless.
They literally provide no value. I don’t see how people didn’t get that.
It’s a link, you bought a link. If the power goes out at the server hosting it, you can’t even access it anymore.
If I told you I had a magic box, and for a million dollars you could look inside whenever you wanted, you’d tell me to go fuck myself. But do it on the Internet and it’s beanie babies all over again. But at least THOSE were tangible.
Never work in tech, friend. It is an endless parade of buzzwords. Idiots will think it is a revolution, people who put even the smallest amount of effort into understanding it will know it isn’t. Sadly, the idiots tend to be the ones making the decisions. So you get to spin your wheels on a fool’s errand until their surprisingly lengthy attention span moves to the next buzzword. As the parade continues you just lose more and more faith in humanity.
I wish I had an answer for you other than some people are really fucking stupid.
I work in manufacturing, I came from an office setting for a national Internet provider. At first it was refreshing, all of the bullshit was gone, and it was just about getting shit done.
But then a tech bro got his teeth in to our CEO and the company has gone to shit. They’ve tried desperately to placate people but the attrition here is harder now than it was during COVID, when we literally begged people to go home. People are leaving for lower paying, non union jobs it’s gotten so bad. I think the only reason I’m still here is I know how much worse it could be.
Sigh. How eager our boss was to make all our products “AI powered” as soon as he heard about ChatGPT, even though the techies had all tried it and knew it wasn’t appropriate for what we do. We’re still adding “AI power” to things, because he already put it in all the marketing.
You’re saying all this like people aren’t fucking stupid. They are.
Billions of dollars have been laundered, so they served their purpose I guess
You mean to tell me that purchasing what is essentially a URL hosted on someone else’s server is a poor investment?
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I like how the url could also have the picture changed if someone wanted to lol. You don’t even own the picture that the url points to, you just have a receipt that says “this url is my url, no I don’t own the url, because someone can change what’s on that. No I also don’t own whatever is hosted on that url either”
Some had ipfs links. In that case they couldn’t be changed.
Everything we create can be changed. Just because it may be difficult doesn’t mean it is impossible, no matter what those tech bros tell you.
Same with any blockchain. Nothing is secure, everything can be hacked.
In a matter of fact, it already has happened.
You do know the hash of the file part of the address, right? Any different file would by definition be a different address.
There could be an undiscovered bug in ipfs, but then that bug would be highlighted and fixed, and you could find a way to break the hashing algorithms, but then we’d have far bigger problems than an NFT being changed.
Also, the article you linked to lists no attacks on the blockchain, only theft of bitcoins using normal blockchain operations. That’s like saying someone hacked the US dollar when doing a bank robbery.
So it was like we thought all along, cool.
Does anyone else think that NFTs are an allegory/miniature version of how art is easily commodified by capitalism? IIRC, NFTs were there to help finance artists who work on a purely digital medium, but then grifters coopted the NFT space and try to sell sets of same-looking artwork. Complete with “fandoms” and drama, as well.
NFTs are simply a straightforward con, without the financial hullabaloo of cryptocurrency. The con is simple: convince someone that something is valuable when it’s not. Selling a brass ring as gold to a mark too naïve to check, has been around as long as there have been gold rings.
Nah, NFTs were always about the grift first and the art second.
After all, all an NFT token is is a digital receipt which links to an image hosted somewhere off-chain, not the image itself. All the “art” does is help to persuade people that the tokens are actually worth something and hype up the price even further.
It is an allegory for the whole financial system … it’s all made up imaginary money, funds and amounts that don’t exist and never will … it’s all based on trust, faith and belief. If enough people wake up tomorrow and stop believing in a segment of this entire system, it can all quickly collapse.
I remember reading about ten years ago that if all debt was stopped all over the world and all of it was to be repaid … it would take the world several million years to do so.
There is wealth in the world but we’ve created very complicated, imaginary ways to make it seem that wealth is worth millions of times more than there actually exists.
I see it as a modern day religion … it exists because we all believe in it … if the faithful ever lose faith, the religion dies.
God I cannot wait for the religion of capitalism to die. Markets are rough enough without greedy fucks institutionalizing their greed.
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Really, it’s impossible. Most children are very selfish. Only some never grow out of it. Distinguishing between the two would be a very good way to appear to be far worse than a few greedy pieces of sh*t to the uneducated who do not realize the grief greed brings to others.
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NFTs were there to help finance artists who work on a purely digital medium, but then grifters coopted the NFT space and try to sell sets of same-looking artwork.
I’m curious if you have a source for this. I haven’t heard it anywhere else…
The whole point was to get dollars into crypto so the holders could cash out. The value was never meant to stay.
I’m sure they were a great way to launder money at the time.
That’s why it’s at the time. I made a quick $600 and never looked back cuz I knew it was unstable, but I wasn’t ignorant to the idea like many people who just wanted to bandwagon hate.
Ignorant to the idea? The idea was basically a spreadsheet with links to PNGs and “”““owner””“” of that PNG. Blockchain only means nobody owns the sheet itself, but that doesn’t make it any less ridiculous.
And money still went up for a quick amount of time. I knew what I was getting into, but I also knew it was a quick cash grab. A lot of people online just wanted to hate crypto to hate crypto. My friend has been spreading news about Bitcoin since 2011 and he had a hard drive that sold for $10k at one of its peaks. Quick cash grab and never look back.
95% seems a little low. I assume that it’s closer to 99.9%.
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Even at the hype max there was already a lot of worthless NFTs, so it can easily be even less than 95%.
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Maybe now I’ll finally be able to buy the ones I want
(There aren’t any)
It sounds like you could have always bought the ones that you want!
It is all worthless?
Always has been
I find it fascinating that NFTs were supposed to be a proof-of-ownership technology, but because people are stupid & greedy made pictures to sell with it
It always reminds me of those certificates for owning a piece of the moon.
Because it’s pretty much the same.
At the very core ownership that isn’t recognised by the state is meaningless. So that ape picture? No one really cares about some guy claiming to own it because they have control over the token. As long as it’s on the internet everyone can just copy it and there’s no authority caring about it one bit since NFT isn’t recognised as for example copyright is.
Even when it comes to stuff like items in games, these also are only worth anything as long as the publisher of the game recognises your claim to it! And even if they did recognise it, there’s absolutely nothing preventing them from changing their minds later. Simply because they create the game however they like and have 100% control over it’s development.
Except it’s not ownership, it is digital rights management. Right now DRM is handled by private corporations, not the state, and it generally is anti-consumer. NFTs could be used for DRM in a more pro consumer way.
That all hinges on a pretty big “could”.
Absolutely, companies are not going to just decide to implement NFTs in a way that gives more control to users unless it means more money for them. Does change the fact that the technology has that potential, even if it remain unutilized.
NFTs could be used for DRM in a more pro consumer way.
Only if the companies in charge would allow that. And they really have zero incentive to do so. The way it currently is, is way more profitable for them.
What confused the fuck outta me as someone who has been in the crypto space since 2010 is that it wasn’t new or novel in any way. Colored Coins was virtually the same thing and it flopped in a similar fashion and there were several similar projects that did the same or never made it off the ground. Then, some shitty monkey drawings come along, are backed by virtually the same thing I had seen before and suddenly people I knew from my hometown who barely had two brain cells to rub together were claiming to be financial and tech gurus while peppering “block chain” into conversation. The one thing that brings me solace is that they all lost their investments
Right, when NFT’s we’re going crazy, the pictures and shit didn’t make sense to me at all but there’s a huge opportunity for digital ownership of physical materials like cars or houses. It would make private sales/transfers easy. All title information on the house would be recorded and attached in the blockchain so when you go to sell your home, you can prove there aren’t any liens against the home and once financing has been approved, transfer the ownership on the blockchain and done. That’s where I always saw the practical application going but now nobody will take NFT’s seriously until it’s named something else and rolled out with government approval and systems in place or nobody will feel safe transferring such a large investment digitally
All title information on the house would be recorded and attached in the blockchain so when you go to sell your home, you can prove there aren’t any liens against the home
Don’t we already have state or local databases for stuff like houses and cars? How does the blockchain stuff add anything?
The difference is that you can’t retroactively edit the block chain, and the block chain contains all the data in it.
Databases can be edited, deleted, corrupted, poorly maintained, etc.
Think of the block chain like a permanent audit log of all transactions with it.
Edit: the NFT exists as a value in the block chain as the “point of origin”. As this value is carried forward, the blockchain will always point back to the original.
That’s why the whole pictures thing fucked it all up and we missed out on powerful tech. It could have essentially saved lives in critical machines and made PII tracking easier.
Block chains can also be edited, deleted, corrupted.
They aren’t as secure as tech bros claim. Nothing possibly can be.
Blockchains already have been hacked multiple times.
This is the Web3 you are simping for: https://web3isgoinggreat.com/
No, they can’t. The article you point to mentioned stolen crypto. Crypto can be stolen if someone has the private keys to a wallet.
A block chain is algorithmically verified by members of the network.
but because people are stupid & greedy made pictures to sell with it
Can you blame them? If I gave someone a photo and then they offered to give me $1,000 if I also would write down a unique number, then I would without hesitation write down a random number and get my grand.
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well that surprised no one
The
rubespeople with useful opinions on Reddit assured me I would be left behind if I didn’t understand NFTs. I’m sure they’re surprised.
