That’s because Caitlyn Jenner is rich.
It’s really simple, friends.
I’m not your friend, pal!
I’m not your pal, dude!
I’m not your dude, goober.
I’m not your goober, mister.
I’m not your mister, buddy.
I’m not your mister fwend
Yo Google is not doing its part, alert the authority or your citizenship may be at risk.
TIL she’s 75.
Obviously she’s had some work done, but goddamn that is a lot of work.
I mean…yes?
I just wasn’t expecting a full plastic person! And I suppose they do say estrogen supplements are good for the skin.
Plus being a professional track and field star makes for a great foundation into the later years.
Ugh that’s disgusting, I sent a report to Google that his Name is Bruce.
Leopards ate her face.
She’ll be against the wall still singing Trump’s praises
seeing alot of transphobia in the comments, light and probably accidental but yes deadnaming caitlyn is transphobia even if she fucking sucks.
it shows the trans people here that your acceptance is conditional on us agreeing with you.
you can call her out for her bs without deadnaming her
The reply to her tweet is on point, though. Any more deadnaming is just deadnaming.
Anyway, I would gladly provide her with HRT and send her to a labor camp as an enemy of the people.
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is conditional on us agreeing with you.
Not exactly. If anything it’s conditional on you not selling your allies/kin down the river.
Except that by misgendering her you’re causing harm to the trans community as a whole. We don’t misgender cisgender people when they are bad people. Misgendering transgender people who do bad things only shows that respecting transgender identity is conditional and can be revoked by other people. It’s not. It’s who we are. Even if someone is a trash fire human being they still should be gendered correctly.
Transphobes will read comments misgendering or deadnaming Caitlyn and cheer along. There are far, far better ways to vocalize disapproval of her. Ways that don’t hurt other trans people.
I appreciate your point. A few months ago I was in a discussion with someone on Lemmy about the strategy of maliciously complying with someone that has insincerely stated a preference for neo-pronouns. The example in the discussion was Elon Musk claiming “prosecute/Fauci” as pronouns, but insincere pronouns aren’t necessarily so easily spotted. (My position was and is that it’s okay to maliciously comply with someone’s professed pronouns to demonstrate that person’s insincerity)
If you’re not tired of tutoring ignorant allies I’d really appreciate your opinion on that dilemma.
The concept is that normalizing dead naming as an insult will result in a cascading effect that harms trans people across the board, right? I’m not trans, but it should be pretty obvious - dead naming is dead naming even if you’re a piece of shit liar.
Rights for one are rights for all. Even elmo
I’m not disagreeing on morality of misgendering. I’m disagreeing that the misgendering is conditional on agreement.
I don’t want to sound mean with this I’m sure you mean the best but this isn’t a debate
Deadnaming and/or misgendering someone purposefully is transphobia and doing it because they’re a bad person is still transphobia
As a trans person I’m saying that if you are transphobic to someone even if they’re bad is conditional acceptance whether you mean it that way or not
People were deadnaming her in the comments, that’s transphobia not an opinion
Deadnaming and/or misgendering someone purposefully is transphobia
This is not what I am disagreeing with you on. I am in full agreement here.
and doing it because they’re a bad person is still transphobia
Im disagreeing on this point. It isn’t simply because they’re a bad person.
People were deadnaming her in the comments, that’s transphobia not an opinion
Agreed
What’s the difference between transphobia and bigotry?
I think you might mean bigotry, albeit a very specific kind.
I think you might mean bigotry, albeit a very specific kind.
Yes, and that very specific kind of bigotry is called transphobia…
I thought the “phobia” part was relevant but in looking up definitions of transphobia and homophobia I see that, etymologically, the phobia part seems to be irrelevant. TIL!
ßtop saying that. That’s a pile of shit. BRUCE is the problem, not your allies.
would you call Candace Owens the n word? bigotry is about you, not the person you subject it to.
I would, if she were to go out with a public opinion that it was okay for trump&allies to call black people niggers and sell them into slavery. I wouldn’t do it on a public internet forum, most likely, but I would do it to her face. It’s following the (her, in this example) premise to its natural conclusion and it’s supposed to be extremely jarring and uncomfortable. It’s similar to satire, where it takes trust to know that the person ‘performing’ isn’t actually espousing what is being acted… which is why an internet forum like here, where nobody trusts nada, isn’t the proper place to do it. Directly responding to them on bluesky like there? More acceptable.
I would not
I feel like accepting a trans person is, in fact, conditional on their support for other trans people. Like, it doesn’t have to be their whole personality, but full-throatedly supporting the anti-trans administration is the exact opposite of supporting the trans community.
The problem with that, again, is that you are outing that you won’t support trans people you disagree with. You can respect Caitlyn’s gender identity and chosen name while still calling her a bloody numpty.
A great litmus test for transphobia is what pronouns people use for Christine Chandler.
I doubt 99.99% of people here have any idea who Chris Chan is.
It’s more like the people that do know her how they refer to her.
I’d say either an obscure character from Friends, or Jackie Chan’s sister?
Nope, obscure infamous internet person. Both relentlessly bullied by 4chan, which is terrible, but they’re also a terrible person in their own right, including raping their elderly mom and going to prison for it. Famous for “Sonichu”, a self made fan character that’s sonic and Pikachu mixed together.
A few years ago they came out as trans, but even that’s been very contentious on whether or not it’s real as faking/lying about that for attention is perfectly in line with their character. I prefer to just use neutral pronouns, some refuse to acknowledge (or just have no fucking clue that the trans thing ever happened, which is why my initial comment was worded in the way that it was).
The Chris Chan saga is vast, if you’re curious just throw that name into YouTube and there’s hours upon hours of content.
I really only know of Chris Chan from a Behind the Bastards episode
Why should weknow them? Did Chandler from Friends come out?
It doesn’t really matter, it’s just an example of someone who’s done some weird and also some bad things who is trans. Never said you should know her.
I think liberals gleefully devising litmus tests is what elected Trump in the first place.
The fuck do you think I’m talking about? You think I’m purity testing people by subjecting them to this? No! I just mean it’s very telling when people refer to her as “he” and when called out about it they insist it’s okay because she’s a shitty person or whatever. As if that suddenly makes transphobia okay.
This is, quite literally, same as Jews for Hitler -movement in pre-The War Germany. There are shades of grey in everything, and everyone. You can be bad or the side of bad people, even if you are a minority.
I agree. Looking through the comments, I’m getting that “crabs fighting in the pot, pulling the others back in” vibe. We elevate society by being better. Period. Not being better if.
transphobia
Well I mean, all of the trans communities are on an instance with downvotes disabled for a reason. This place is ‘left wing’ when it comes to Trump but when it comes to LGBTQ+ issues, feminism or even discussion about religion, I have my doubts about how ‘left wing’ people here really are.
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Everyone in this Turkish kebab shop I’m in is now staring at me for cracking up laughing uncontrollably, cheers 👍
How much does it suck to be the one guy that didn’t wear his helmet to work that day?
Or worse, he did wear a helmet but it was destroyed in the first leopard attack.
The first leopard attack was just over 4 years ago, tho. You’d think they would get new/better helmets in the meantime
Serves him well for taunting a fully-grown leopard with “psss… psss… psss…”
And take away your passport.
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This is gonna be one of those ‘oh, my transition was done during the previous administration, so THIS administrations rules rules don’t apply to me’ cases.
Is her case grandfathered in, or grandmothered in 🤔?
Man, this is some nice word play
They Still Call Me Bruce Part II: Transgender Boogaloo
Hot take: she came out as trans to cover up the story of her hitting and killing someone with her car
maybe. maybe not. In the end not for us to decide.
But tbh, if that were the case, she wouldn’t have “stuck to the act” for so long.
I’m not saying she’s not trans I just think it’s convenient. Like Kevin spacey coming out as gay, right as the allegations happen
oh, absolutely great timing to dilute the news, agreed
She was trans but came out to play for sympathy, just like Kevin spacey coming out as gay right as he was accused of being a rapist
Yeah, maybe she came out when she did for that reason, but nobody has ever pretended to be trans and gone through years of HRT and surgery.
Buckle up buckaroos.
Blatant transphobia here. Caitlyn Jenner is a horrible person but transphobic attacks help nobody
Nothing about my statement is attacking her as a trans person. Shes still trans and was planning to come out. She came out as trans to dilute the news when she KILLED SOMEONE.
take a step back and really read what I stated.
Questioning a trans person’s motives to come out is transphobic
I’m not doing this, don’t be a troll. Go touch grass
was my fav game growing up.
Was mental gymnastics included as a sport?
What is she referring to?
these two are the same person, formerly called “Bruce JENNER”, now called “Caitlyn JENNER”
I meant what Caitlyn was referring to.
Ah, you mean the imaginary all powerfull being telling you not to eat shellfish?
Red tide warning.
This was when Trump entered the office a few weeks ago.
Him being appointed dictator last month.
Instead of properly debating the issue at hand (the sanity of this schizo), commenters fight on whenever or not she’s getting misgendered in the comments. Never change Lemmy
We’ve spent the whole slide into fascism arguing with eachother about whether or not it was okay to use the word fascism instead of fighting the fascists.
Yeah… Unfortunately that fight on the word fascists ruined a lot of countries and it still does. Take for example Romanian elections.
well the thing is, when words mean things, it takes longer. And people tend to lose patience fairly quickly.
Thank you to you patient people out there.
I know she deserves everything bad coming her way but this is still just transphobia…
How so? They’re not calling her Bruce, they’re stating the fact that the person that she’s worshipping decreed that she legally has to be called by her birth name, Bruce.
Not sure how pointing out someone acting like Uncle Ruckus is transphobic. Is it antisemitic to point out that Jewish members were the first group purged from the Nazi party?
No it’s pointing out the absurdity and hypocrisy of somebody who is trans praising and sucking up to the guy who is passing ton of anti-trans laws.
It’s like being black and sending a shout-out with praise to a KKK leader.
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I’m genuinely curious, what about it comes across as transphobia to you?
not OP, but I’m in two minds about it. I don’t really care to step in on caitlyn’s behalf, she can kick rocks for all I care. and I don’t think the intent of the post was hateful, but whenever a trans person does something bad and newsworthy, deadnames start to come out and even if it’s directed at someone I actively despise it still sucks to read. revoking someone’s chosen name out of personal disgust is just something we deal with irl a lot. it’s a similar kind of ick as when a female politician does something reprehensible and the discourse gets flooded by a bunch of people crudely commenting on her appearance.
eta: with a very minor change this same exact point could be made without deadnaming her, so to me it’s uncomfortable and unnecessary.
revoking someone’s chosen name out of personal disgust
The tweet does not call Caitlyn Bruce, it’s telling Caitlyn than the president ordered the government to call her Bruce.
Mentioning a deadname is not the same as deadnaming, this is not like saying “Jehovah” or something. I understand that just bringing up someone’s deadname can be jarring to at least a portion of trans people but, like, that’s the point here. Shock her into realising what’s being done to, also, her.
Yeah this is exactly how I feel and why I didn’t really wanna argue about this further, she’s the last person I’d wanna defend but I still felt like it should be pointed out.
