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I wish them the best of luck. Not that they have any chance of success but the more damage they cause to the Russian army, the better
Was there actually anything stopping them before, other than some traffic cops with a grenade launcher, and some excavator operators frantically digging up the motorway?
No, but they chickened out and now Putin has had a month to set up defenses
Military equipment in Russia protecting Putin is military equipment that can’t be used to attack Ukraine, so this is still a win.
Especially if Wagner manages to destroy some or a lot of them.
And if they don’t, their own equipment is destroyed which also belongs to Russia.
Putin lost his corn flakes.
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Wagner group doesn’t have any air assets, the Air Force probably could annihilate them on the way to Moscow. Not much cover in Russia
Well that did not work so well the first time. No idea if they still have any anti air capacity though.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/06/26/wagner-group-shot-down-seven-russian-aircraft-coup-attempt/
not anymore, they had to give up all heavy equipment
Wagner did manage to take down quite a few Russian air units in a short period of time before.
Whether that was due to lack of organization and command among the Russian military because of the surprise of Wagner’s actions is up for debate, but I guess we might get to see how that turns out this time around.
They have decent aa, they were brutal on Russian jets.
Anti-aircraft is different than air assets I get it that both are AA but I meant an air assets not anti-aircraft. 👍
Same could have been said for their day trip. And that saw several helicopters and a couple of fixed wing aircraft getting knocked out the sky.
You forget that Russia had some garbage trucks lined up as well 🧱
We call them tactical landfill launchers.
I wonder if Putin will try destroying the roads to Moscow again.
And run away to hide in St. Petersburg
FSB as an organization needs to die to the man before anything good can happen in Russia.
Not all personnel. Top 1 - 3, maybe.
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Maybe. It depends if they keep control afterwards… or better, on who keeps control afterwards.
Wouldn’t they have a better chance if Biden funded them?
I hope that you realize at some level how batshit insane that idea is.
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Perhaps, but that sounds like it would backfire pretty much immediately.
Yeah we’ve already tried shit like that 20 or 30 times, we do eventually learn our lesson.
Considering they’re arguably even worse than Putin, we probably don’t want them to actually have a chance at being successful, it’s just that any forces Russia has to use to stop them are forces they aren’t using in Ukraine. Giving them funding would be a seriously bad move.
If Biden funds them Biden funds a direct attack on Russia, due to the increased pressure Russia will take that as an attack from the US and will escalate. We want to deescalate everything we can because we don’t know if putin will use his nukes, and if he does the world ends. Putin will not win a war with the us though, so he may not care about the end of the world.
nukes were never on the table. putin’s goal number one is holding power in russia, and it’s no fun when it’s all shiny glass or when you’re dead. the reason behind invasion? believe it or not, also holding more power within russia. over two decades of putin’s presidency, he carefully molded his electoral base to consist of nationalists, and every time he invaded another country his ratings went up (2008, georgia, 2014, donbas, 2022, ukraine, at least initially) because even if your elections are faked, you need it to be believable and you need to have some real support. that’s even how he got presidency in the first place, by initiating second chechen war
in this situation, what options putin does have?
- he can’t sue for peace right now, or deescalate in a big way, because his electoral base will see this as a sign of weakness and move on to another rabid nationalist
- he can’t escalate, because he has little to escalate with, in terms of (modern) equipment and (mobilized) manpower. mobilization is an unacceptable political risk, additionally, he runs a risk of corresponding western escalation, with west is much more capable of, and would consist of equipment only, which is much less politically risky
- he can’t use nukes, because there’s already nuclear bunker buster with his name somewhere in the midwest and he probably wants it to stay there
the only survivable option for putin seems to keep intensity at this level or lower, try to limit western aid, and try to slowly grind through to whatever propaganda objective he wants. remember all these russian threats, that if west provides whatever equipment, they will use nuukes! it seems that everyone called bluff on this one, multiple times. conversely, the more favourable scenario for ukraine is escalation. more info here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWKGYnO0Jf4 https://yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=fWKGYnO0Jf4
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Did J.J. Abrams write?
Not enough lens flares.
Behind the Bastards has an episode about Jim Caviezel, and in it they discussed several anonymous and one non anonymous retelling of working with the man. If the allegations are to be believed, he kept being worse and worse not understanding his characters motivations, and they had to adjust some stuff to stop him ruining the show. They mention him doing stuff like actually harming other actors/stunt doubles if he was doing action scenes, a desire to just kill and shoot up enemies, and being really bad later on about following the script.
I loved that show, had no idea of anything about the actor behind John Reese. Just read some articles and he sounds like a right nutter.
The podcast QAnon Anonymous has an episode about the same topic, also quoting three people who worked on the show. It’s glorious, Irecommend it wholeheartedly.
You know, I listened to that too, so it’s possible I’m mixing them up. Both talked about him but the quotes may have come from QAA and maybe I just mixed it up in my head.
As someone who viewed Person of Interest down to the last episode, this was a series that started strong, followed with a solid 2nd season and at this point it was like watching two series at once, one taking in consideration the roots of the story, the other written by a teenager fan group, wanting to turn up the dial for more intrigue.
The way it ended was a coup de grace, more than anything.
Having not finished any of these shows I’m unsure of if the format is telling me they have good endings or not. I’m guessing not but I heard Fringe and POI are great.
Directed by M Night something something
M Night Shenanigans
he had help from m knight
I hate how they just kill important characters offscreen.
The old comic book rule of ‘no body no death’ might come into play
I hope they don’t clone the imperator.
Take it with a grain of salt, people, none of the trustworthy sources confirmed any of that - just a couple of Ukrainian outlets (understandable as psyop) and, well, yahoo news and the like.
As a Russian living in Russia and, obviously, closely following all the shit show, it does not seem like Wagner is going to do anything.
Then again, I’m not sure about shit after 24 Feb 2022.
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Honest at this point I wouldn’t even blink if Prigozhin popped up in the future to tell us they faked their deaths.
To be clear, I believe that he’s dead (and that it was probably an assassination by Putin), but so many other outrageous things have happened already little surprises me.
That’s the first thing I thought when I heard about his death. He should have known that Putin would likely want him dead, so pretending to board a plane that gets shot down is a pretty good way to fake your death. Does he use his fake death to plot revenge or to escape, never to be heard from again?
Who knows if Putin even wanted him dead. It could be a way for him to step out of the spotlight and let Putin show what happens to those who disobey. They have a huge issue with deserters.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they were found eating kaviar off each others nibbles.
Putin wanted him dead without a doubt. He challenged Putin’s authority and marched his forces on Moscow. The Wagner group made Putin look like a scared little bitch, which he probably is in real life, so he’s insecure about it.
Both sides are violent oligarchs that murder people for profit and power. I’ll quote Clarence Darrow here:
“One reason why we don’t kill is because we are not used to it. I never killed anybody, but I have done just the same thing. I have had a great deal of satisfaction over many obituary notices that I have read. I never got into the habit of killing. I could mention the names of many that it would please me if I could read their obituaries in the paper in the morning,”
Sure they probably would kill each other just for fun, but they were also allies until this.
It’s about money. They’re mercenaries. If they don’t get paid, they’ll bite the hand that feeds them. That’s likely why they marched to Moscow. So Prigizhin got paid and they turned around. But what now? Prigozhin has the money. Suddenly dies. Did his mercenaries get paid? Dead men don’t pay bills. There’s no hand to bite. The mercenaries were prisoners before they joined Wagner. It’s unlikely that neither Putin or Prigozhin gives a fuck about them.
If you ask me, it’s really fucking convenient for both Putin and Prigozhin to fake his death right about payday.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they were found eating kaviar off each others nibbles.
I did not ask for this mental image today
I’d hoped he piloted a Kamikaze plane into Putin’s card fortress so both of them could go to hell to meet Hitler whom they admired so much
At this point it’s such a clown show that I wouldn’t be surprised by much.
Prigozhin was thought dead from a plane crash before and arrived 2 days later.
Fucken do it then
I’d believe it when I see it. It’s not going to happen.
We all saw what happened last time. Someone got cold feet and then became a pussy.
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It would be so ironic if the plane crash was entirely an accident and not planned in any way, but no one believes it because of Putins history. And if they kill him for something he wasn’t actually involved in because of his past crimes ruining his credibility it would be oh-so-sweet
The 'tator that cried wolf.
Here we go again.
It will end not differently than last time.
When they had their leader, they might have had a chance to taking down Putin. Maybe. Slim chance, but a chance. Now they are fucked.
Still would be nice to put a hurt on the Russian military.
Any military units they manage to destroy is good for the rest of the world.
Not necessarily, because (I suspect) less soldiers Putin have more he would be willing to press that red button.
We can’t change that regardless and can’t forever cower under every threat Putin makes. Unless we just want to make him dictator of the world.
Appeasement never works, we should have learned that by now, but we need to make it clear.
Putin’s unwillingness to push the red button is due to it resulting on every single nation in the World including China turning against him and Russia if he did do that (because if the first nation to use nukes offensivelly isn’t examplarily punished for it, every nation in the World will rush to become nuclear capable - if only for self defense - which funilly enough flattens the capability of the giants such as China to push the little ones around hence even if only because of that they’re against it) and likely Russia, he himself and his family ending up nuked sooner or later.
If there is one thing the Invasion of Ukraine has taught us is that if he thinks get away with it and end up better from doing it, no matter how evil. Putin will do it or have somebody do it for him.
Does Putin seem reasonable to you? I think it’s pretty possible that he will be willing to take the whole world to the grave with him.
Absolutelly - so far he seems to be rational.
Not necessarily wise, certainly not morally upright (quite the opposite), but yeah, absolutelly rational.
He started a war to conquer territory and resources, likely based on certain expectations of capability of the Russian Military which were far from realistic as well as expectations on the Ukranian Military and Society which were also far fromrealistic. He went for a decapitation attack expecting Zelenskyy to be killed, captured or flee but none of that happenned and thus the “easy way” failed. From there onwards, as a dictator who has anchored his authority on an image of “strong man”, we couldnt simply back down so everything that has been happenning since has been him trying to ideally gain something out of a bad situation or at least not to lose face.
All pretty rational. Not exactly strategically intelligent but certainly rational.
As for the use of nukes, notice how the ever increasing talk about using it from the russian authorities maybe a year ago suddenly stopped (except for fringe types and well known powerless russian muppets) when China made it very clear they would have to do something about it if Russia used those…
Even a strategically inept but rational actor can’t miss the implications of China turning against Russia.
What was rational in this war?
He wanted territory, mineral resources and even human resources (lots of industrial production in the territories Russia took) and expected the mighty Russian Army would crush the Ukranian Army (just like when they took Crimea) and the rest of the World wouldn’t do much more than bitching & moaning (again, just like when Russia took Crimea). Apparently he was even expecting his men would be welcomed by the ukranians with open arms (remember how the head of Russian Intelligence was fire not long after the war started because of that?!) and that the rest of Europe could be controlled via Economic Pressure because of its dependency on Russian Gas.
It makes all sense that having overestimated the Russian Army and underestimated the Ukranian people and its Army as well as the will of the West to genuinelly help Ukraine (and looking at all the pussyfooting around providing modern jets and long range missiles to Ukraines, I would say that at least partially that’s true), it looked like a good idea to begin with.
Once commited, given the style of leader he portrays himself as and the overreliance on nationalism to control the russian people, he was stuck with the Ukranians pushing back with western help and unwilling to give up and being politically unable to just conced the War as that would be almost literaly putting his neck on the block.
Then they’d have no soldiers
I mean let the fascist kill the fascist ig
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I guess
Yeah, me too. Must be instagram then.
My Russian friend pointed out to me that Prigozhin was actually on his way to see Putin when he got shot down.
So they all went in one plane…
Yeah that part makes no sense, how dumb do you have to be to put the two main leaders in the same fucking plane flying near the capital
Russia hasn’t been known for great decision making in recent years
Recent? I was watching a video about the USSR losing a whole bunch of their top generals because the idiots went on the same plane to some meeting. They used this little trip for some personal shopping. They bought a lot much stuff and it was improperly secured in the aircraft so it shifted during takeoff dooming them all.
I guess they thought no one would blow them up in public 😑
Who knows what Putin told them to get them to visit him? “All is forgiven & I want you to run the ministry of defense”.
As long as they’re not killing Ukrainians, then I guess yeah, go do whatever…
They should join up with the Ukrainians.
No, in this case the enemy of their enemy is just another enemy.
Better maintain that line
Not really, if they join forces.
Wagner most definitely cannot be trusted.
Nah, they were even more gung-ho about the invasion than regular Russians.
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This is a greater overall danger than many of you seem to realize. Their leader was a face and figurehead, the real power of Wagner mercenaries lies with the lieutenants. Without him, they are likely to splinter and become more brutal. Some are likely to be hired by the anti-Putin oligarchs, while others may align with Putin. This may result in Russia having to pull out of Ukraine, but that’s not the end of this. Even if Putin is slammed out of power, that just results in an internal power struggle with deadly consequences. Those will not stay inside their borders.
Woohoo unstable country with huge nuclear stockpile.
Is the nuclear stockpile as good as the military equipment they use in Ukraine?
There only needs to be 1 functional one for it to kill thousands or even millions
It takes a lot to launch a nuke and land it accurately. I’m guessing Russia lost that ability years ago and they know it hence the sable rattling.
I don’t know though my instinct says you’re overstating the complexity. Doesn’t really need to “land accurately” so much as detonate above any target population. Could just even be conventional ordinance with a nuclear payload.
I know it’s not simple. Many things need to work in a certain way so they need to be maintained. Batteries must be replaced, systems must be tested frequently and security is very high. This is all expensive and knowing how cheap Russia is and lax their maintenance is, I’m betting many components were stolen which makes a success lunch much less likely.
Russians have been successfully launching Soyuz rockets longer than Americans have been launching space shuttles.
One has nothing to do with each other though did you hear they just lost their Moon lander?
Soyuz rockets do not sit in a stockpile for 40 years without maintenance before being launched.
Ask the Reddit brigade that got shelled to death back when the war first broke out.
All true, but it does not depend on this specific group of folks or the inciting incident of their leader’s death. Violent internal power struggle spilling across borders is practically guaranteed no matter who the actors are. Even if Putin lives a long life and dies of natural causes, that’s coming.
