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    punish the entire world

    The absolute fucking nerve of these freaks accusing anyone else of causing harm as their guy, for whom they are trying to shame us into voting, actively funds a genocide.

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        Imagine someone putting a piece of paper on your desk, imagine knowing that signing it means that fascists will be handed around that will be used to commit a genocide, killing thousands of innocents. And then imagine signing the paper instead of tearing it up in revulsion, like a sane human being would do. You have to be a literal demon to do something like that.

        Genocide Joe doesn’t belong in the Hague, he belongs in a free Palestine in front of a war crimes and genocide tribunal there. If there were justice in this world he would be hanged.

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      You don’t think a 2nd Trump administration would fund a genocide? Why? What about Trump says to you, “Oh yeah, this guy would definitely put a stop to the mass-murder of brown people”?

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        I think if you tell me “the other guy would fund a genocide” while your guy is funding a genocide, I’m gonna tell you to shut the fuck up.

        Shut the fuck up.

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        Oh god oh no Trump might also continue genocide? Wow that would be… Exactly the same… How terrible!

        “Oh yeah, this guy would definitely put a stop to the mass-murder of brown people”?

        Nobody is saying they think he’ll stop it dickhead. Literally nobody in this thread has said that. But “Trump will be genocidal too” is not the defence of your guy that you seem to think it is.

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        Ever wonder if youll be able to vote for a guy you aren’t positive will fund a genocide?

        Ever get tired of advocating for something so very disrurbing? It must be ennervating, right? You thought Trump would be gone after the last time.

        Ever ask yourself why you ask for so little?

        Is it the pragmatic choice to make yourself so small?

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          Not really.

          If you’re not in a swing state then you could throw your support behind your preferred third-party candidate, or write in the name of literally any person you can think of who would cut off aid to Israel.

          But not voting just says you’re OK with whomever the other voters pick for president. It says you don’t see a meaningful difference between Biden and Trump. And if you honestly don’t, OK, you’re allowed to think that. But in November, unless one of them dies, either Biden is going to win the election, or Trump is. The want to discourage people from voting against them. If you’re not voting you’re neutral so they don’t care as much.

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              From a pragmatic point it would be easier for the propaganda apparatus to explain away a smaller than usual turnout (voters are lazy, etc.) than a larger than usual this party vote.

              Either way they’ll do their best to bury it though.

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                That’s why I advocate “undervoting”. Go vote, cast a ballot, but leave the spots with no good options blank. It shows that you aren’t a “lazy” voter, actually voted, and chose the hidden “none of the above” option.

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            I’m not ok with anyone being president because the USA shouldn’t exist and there’s no way of expressing this sentiment through voting for president. The president is an administrator of a death machine directed by capital. There’s no option for me to vote how I truly want nor do I believe calling for specific votes would be an effective route to secure my goal of nullifying the constitution and installing a communist government. Instead of worrying about the particulars of which genocidal fascist gets into office, I’ll instead direct my efforts towards dismantling the USA in its entirety.

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        You’re absolutely right. I hereby refuse to vote Trump because I believe he would fund genocide. Do you pledge to not vote Biden because he funds genocide?

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          Regardless of who they vote for, there are only two possible outcomes to the election, unless one of the nominees dies before then. Either Trump will win, or Biden will win. If you want Biden to lose, that only happens if Trump wins.

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            I fail to see how the outcome of an election could affect a nation’s politics in a long-term meaningful way. Why are you so worried about an election? It’s a popularity contest for morons. Go buy a gun and learn to make some real change in the world.

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            And the way you get votes is by appealing to voters, not by scaremongering about the other candidate. That tactic especially doesn’t work when you platform is the same.

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              First-past-the-post voting incentivizes voting against the candidate you don’t want to win by voting for the candidate most likely to beat him. So scaremongering about the other candidate is a strategy often used to great effect. Trump used scaremongering against Hillary in 2016. Trump’s using scaremongering against Biden now. George H.W. Bush famously used scaremongering about crime to win.

              Also their platforms are not the same. Trump has Project 2025.

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                often used to great effect.

                And then you go on to cite the 2016 election.
                Are you doing a bit? Do you not recall the pied-piper strategy the Dems tried? You keep referring to “successful” examples, but they’re all republicans lol.

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                  I thought you were the one who said the Democratic and Republican platforms are the same. Now you’re noticing that the examples of winning with scaremongering are all Republican wins. Are you doing a bit?

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                    ??? Their platforms are the same, but the republicans actually want the platform enacted. Saying “vote for me or you’ll get the republican” doesn’t work when you have the same policy. Saying “vote for me or you’ll get the democrat” works for the republican, because republican voters think democrats are demons wearing skin suits.
                    What is it with you people and pretending you don’t understand basic textual communication? Do you think your sad attempts at gotchas aren’t noticed? Go back to Reddit and argue with a bot

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                The fascist are always going to have been scary rhing that make liberals fascism more palletable and swallowable, even if its in someways worse than the big scary republican bs. Lets just fuck off that whole thing completely

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            If genocide Joe wants to win he has to make a compelling case that he is going to be meaningfully better than Trump on the issues that matters to voters.

            Until now he has been working hard to make the opposite case.

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            Oh man, remember when it wasn’t going to be an issue because trump was going to jail any minute now we totally promise™?

            How many daddy’s of the week have to be wrong before you stop believing he will he held to any account? You really think somehow, jack smith is going to do anything? Best bet is it will be another wet fart like Mueller or whatever the last daddy of the week was.

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            I want Biden to lose.

            I also want Trump yo lose.

            That’s why I’m not voting for either of them.

            If enough voters suddenly developed a conscience and rejected genocide, voted third party, neither genocidal monster would win. But sure, be mad at the people who oppose genocide instead of all the little Nazis who support genocide.

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        I think Trump will fund a genocide. I know Biden is funding a genocide. I also know Trump was funding that same genocide four years ago when he was in office. When he moved the embassy just to appeal to the zionist monsters. Track record proven.

        Also given that a lot of people are finally awakening to the reality experienced by Palestinians we can safely conclude that Obama, Bush, all the rest going back 75 years were funding a genocide. You really think you can shame us into supporting a system that is so demonstrably rotten to the core on some sort of lesser-evilism bullshit? The time to be fed up with this shit was decades ago. But it’s better late than never. That’s a real sentiment of lesser fucking evil.

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          Ohhhh I’ve got this one!

          “Any vote not for Biden or not voting at all is a vote for trump”

          maybe-later-kiddo maybe-later-honey smuglord

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            Yeah I was hoping they’d respond with that, because the retort is of course “well in that case you can rest easy, because I will not be voting for Trump a lot more than I won’t be voting for Biden, thus giving Biden several votes”

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        An assailant is beating your family to death with a bat. But if you stop him, maybe another guy will come along and pick up the bat, and maybe he might be hypothetically stronger, so I guess you better cheer on the guy currently beating your family to death instead.

        There are arguments as to why a Trump admin could also be theoretically better in terms (less competent, more easily swayed, might actually see opposition), but it doesn’t matter. Because if you’re playing hypothetical games at this point about a fucking genocide you’re just trying to excuse the fact you’re fine with it. And if that’s the case, fuck you.

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        hypothetical genocide under Trump vs. actual genocide occurring right now under Biden

        The correct answer is C, none of the above. Two bourgeois genocidal freaks are our only options, and you don’t seem to see that as an extremely urgent problem