I agree with your overall point.

That being said, there is a significantly substantial body of evidence involved in disclosure efforts up to this point. Many government officials have come forward with variations of this story - Grusch is just the latest and the one with the most stature. His accounts are also the least wide-ranging and in my humble opinion, some of the most credible. Secondly, disclosure has been in-process by whistleblowers in other governments as well for multiple decades - there’s a lot of credible evidence to suggest this isn’t a new phenomena.

Having witnessed a few UAP at a distance myself (including some before drones took over the skies), I think that it’s pretty clear that something we don’t understand is here, and has been here for awhile now. I think the jury is out on whether or not they are intelligent, alive,or a phenomena related to physics we don’t understand, but there’s simply too much evidence to deny their reality, and I gotta confess, especially after seeing them in the sky, I really want to find out.

Grusch’s actions are the first step in really figuring out if the DoD knows anything. He went through the proper legal routes, and he’s whistleblowing on obvious obstruction that prevented him from performing the Congressional mandate of his job. He has everything to lose here, and nothing to gain. I’m inclined to believe him.

And yet the very fact you associate talking about UAPs with being a loon is the result of a dedicated effort by US intelligence.

After the front page news of sightings over Washington DC, it wasn’t very long until Gene Pope, an MIT graduate and previously part of the CIA’s psyops program, went and bought the National Enquirer and later the Weekly World News. Which made UFO news adjacent to batboy or gossip.

I happen to think the notion these are extraterrestrial is ludicrous and there’s many more reasonable explanations short of that conclusion. But there is a significant story in how these sightings have been handled over the past century up to the present day.

While I think alien hopefuls will be disappointed, interesting things should come out of this if continued to be pursued.

That got me curious so I searched :

If we have had access to technology that can manage the immense distances between livable planets in our galaxy for almost a hundred years and we cannot get a human to Mars, we are beyond hope.

If any of this has even the slightest grain of truth to it, you have to admit that we (humanity) are way to fucking dumb to ever explore the stars.

Fuck that’s a depressing thought. We have been looking at the tech for a century and we got nothing? I suppose that might be driving my bias on this. I am not asking for proof of the programs, I am asking why there is no evidence that humans have been looking at interstellar travel tech for a century. Either it’s horseshit, or we are hella dumb animals.

I bet the people who think the government is reverse engineering alien technology in perfect secrecy are also people who think the government is too incompetent to do anything right.

It wouldn’t though. I’m not saying UAPs are extraterrestrial. I’m saying as long as each person who leaks is met with plenty of, “no, you’re crazy.” It would help contain it.

Both with pressure and delegitimization. Now… proof is the thing that’s required. Not simply testimony.

I’m saying it. He’s a loon. He thinks the Pope helped smuggle a UFO out of Mussolini’s Italy to the U.S.

The Pope and Mussolini were allies, by the way.

With absolutely zero evidence, as per usual.

If I had to make a wild guess, i think this dude got a hold of a bunch of misinformation that was meant to get to the Soviet’s in order to scare them into behaving in certain ways during the Cold War. It was bullshit built for another audience and somehow he got it handed his way as though it was fact. He isn’t lying, he has bad info and the fact that the info is bad is VERY classified.

Is anyone from the CIA testifying, or is it all defense folks?

@blazera

An oath or legal affirmation can be made if what you’re saying is true and accurate to the best of your own ability and perceptions.

If you say something under oath with the intent to deceive or omit key information or evidence for any reason really, then this could be considered perjury, which is a crime under most legal systems.

If you truly believe you saw an alien and were completely convinced of that and testified that you saw one, yet your claim was found to be factually incorrect, you most likely would not be liable for perjury nor did you do anything illegal (in many modern legal systems). You would simply be wrong.

This could cause you to become an “unreliable witness” which might mean anything else you say or claim is taken with less weight, even in areas you might specialize in. For example, how much would you trust a cardiac surgeon who claimed they had frequent encounters with aliens from outer space?

It doesn’t need to be aliens.

Gourch was very clear to dismiss extraterrestrial origins. And his boss’s quoted denial to Congress claimed there was no evidence of extraterrestrial origin.

The same theoretical physics Gourch discussed (effectively wormholes) to travel faster than light is the same principle to travel through time (i.e. spacetime).

Earth has only been sending out detectable signals of intelligence for around a century which would have reached a max radius of around a hundred light years.

That’s not a lot of area for extraterrestrial life to have come from to give a crap about visiting us.

But would future Earth be interested in visiting past Earth?

Would that origin maybe be more likely to be flying in formations like our own pilots do?

Or more likely to have tech tailored to explicitly target our modern radar systems to disable them?

It’s much more of a leap to arrive at extraterrestrial life being aware of and interested in Earth and humanity so early on in our signals production to come so frequently that sightings are commonplace, and yet be using tech and behaviors that are closer to a far future version of our own rather than something that seemed to have evolved entirely separately.

If this is some physics breaking origin, it’s from our own future, not from some odd corner of space.

No, yes, plus Sinead O’Connor died today and apparently Mitch McConnel did not, officially.

Absolutely nothing substantial.

I didn’t watch the video, but a coworker sent an article about it. Guy says we have pulled non-biological entities from crashes.

He said there is a highly secret black program to retrieve non human intelligence (NHI) spacecraft and that he has classified evidence, including witnesses and locations, that he can provide to Congress for further investigation. He also said we have craft and non human bodies from them.

This is substantial because his claims are falsifiable and easy to investigate for Congress, potentially giving us insight into whether or not we actually have aliens and it’s been covered up. I wouldn’t believe this until we see a photo and/or Joe Biden says it’s true, but you should definitely follow this story and tell your friends about it so that they are prepared if it is shown to be true.