That wouldn’t have happened if the 1-year-old had a gun 🤔
Or if the family lived almost anywhere else in the world.
You saying this in this scenario is the reason why we’re so divided. You try to pervert fair arguments and make them seem absurd.
These are not the issues the democrats are targeting in wanting to solve when they want to ban semi-autos, and you know it.
If the 3 yo instead stabbed the 1 year old, would that make a difference? Should we start banning household knives?
I don’t hear a lot about 3-year-olds stabbing 1-year-olds. I do hear a lot about toddlers getting guns and shooting other kids…
If the 3 yo instead stabbed the 1 year old, would that make a difference? Should we start banning household knives?
Knives are in nearly every household yet accidental deaths from laceration are not very common. Maybe they’re not nearly as prevalent in media so kids don’t think to “play” with knives. Maybe they’re just not as deadly as guns (they’re absolutely not).
The biggest difference between knives (plus the dozens of other dangerous household items that any normal person owns) and guns is the purpose. Guns are intended to harm living things. I cut things almost daily, but in 40 years I’ve never had a situation where I thought a gun would’ve improved the outcome.
What 3-year-olds are stabbing people? You are obsessed with this idea.
The implication with what they said is that if there was a repeated incident of toddlers accidentally using knives to kill siblings then there probably would be some type of action. But a three year old can’t harm much with a knife,not like with a firearm
Yup, actually putting the gun in a locked safe or maybe a trigger lock or a safety switch or taking out the bullets, nothing else would work… responsible gun owners are not a problem. Stop creating an issue where there isn’t one. Gun control isn’t just banning guns.
You cant ban “basic” tools
Guns are tools too, but way to specialized. Almost nobody really needs them.
But knives? I use knives daily for food prep/cooking
And opening boxes
And cutting wood
(Of course different knives with different types of blade, etc)
A gun has 1 purpose: kill someone
And kill animals for food.
And kill pest animals.
But yeah, that’s about it.
but way to specialized. Almost nobody really needs them.
Every tool is specialized. How many different screws do they make that need different screw drivers?
And the fact that you can’t empathize with any other lifestyle than your, likely big city, lifestyle is absurd. Do you not know people rely on hunting for food? For protection?
But knives? I use knives daily for food prep/cooking
What if a rural individual hunts every day?
And opening boxes
Guards his animals every day. You ever try to get a hungry coyote off your chickens?
kill someone
See right there, that’s my point. You don’t see it as a tool. You see it as a violent weapon that is only made to kill ‘someone,’ you’re so limited in your world view that you can’t even comprehend someone hunting for a deer to provide for their family. All you know is that you can buy some deer meet at stores.
want to ban semi-autos, and you know it.
I say F the 2nd. And it was gun rights advocates who radicalized me, not Democrats.
Is a pump-action shotgun not an armament? A bolt-action rifle? A revolver? I’m fine with an 18yo buying one of these. You want something more powerful then show you’re responsible enough to own it.
Okay, well until we as a country determine that the constitution needs amending and we want to repeal the 2nd amendment, it’s the constitution that is the most important part of the law that every state must abide by.
I like that you didn’t respond to the rest of my comment that showed how stupid yours was. What do you think of the criticism I had for your comment, do you just want to ignore my points of
- You’re strawmanning the argument
- This isn’t the scenario’s the democrats are targeting when they want to ban AR’s.
- If a different weapon was used, do you think it’s a good argument to ban said weapon?
It is likely that the 3 y/o would not have killed the 1 y/o if a gun was not available.
Unless murder was on the mind.
You can’t see a scenario where instead of a gun the kid had, he’s playing with a knife and cuts the 1 year old? Have you been around many kids that age?
But, please entertain me, if it was a knife, should we be trying to ban knives?
I don’t ever remember my child playing with a knife, let along attacking another child with a knife. What kind of children are you around?
I’ve never seen a child shoot another kid, but that doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened, clearly. You’re doing a lot to avoid the question:
if it was a knife, should we be trying to ban knives?
Whats the “fair argument”? You need more guns to prevent more shootings? Do you realise how dumb this is?
That in a case of self defense, I’d rather have a gun.
Just that with your stupid laws the other guy has a gun too. With good laws no one has a gun
And that’s the problem with you - you have no empathy for others.
Guns are useful. Guns provide food for millions of american families. They provide protection for ones home. They provide protection for ones animals.
You want me to fight a coyote attacking my chickens with a knife?
You may live in a lifestyle that you don’t need to hunt for food, you don’t have a chicken or your family to protect, likely a big city. What about everyone else that doesn’t share your lifestyle?
What kind of third world shithole do you live in?
Someone that hunts for food is 3rd world?
I think you’ve lost what it means to be human. I understand, you buy your eggs from the market, does it make someone inherently worse that they get their eggs from their chickens?
lock the parents up and get that kid some lifelong counseling.
as a gun owner… I find not locking up your weapons abhorrent.
as a non American I find owning guns abhorrent but to each their own
As a hunter I own quite a few, but guess what? They are all fucking locked up in a safe and I don’t have any children, just my wife and I. How anyone could have children and think it’s ok to leave a firearm around is asinine.
I took away my son’s bb and pellet guns because I caught him waving his rifle around like a toy.
“But it wasn’t loaded!”
“Then you obviously forgot or ignored the very first thing I taught you.”
As an Italian surrounded by guns who has them and hates them but might need to ruin my life by defending myself against a crazed neighbor… They’re abhorrent. There’s no good that comes from a gun.
Agreed, as terrible a thing as it is to happen to a parent it needs to be punished when this occurs. Someone was obviously negligent with a gun around a child. If it was put away properly this wouldn’t have happened.
But how can i enjoy my right to bear arms if my weapons are locked up
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Either lock them up or teach gun safety.
Responsible firearm owners are doing both of those.
If the owners didn’t know that keeping unlocked, loaded, and (I’m willing to bet) chambered firearms in a household with kids was dangerous then the only way they’ll learn is in jail.
To the rest of the world, this would be an exceedingly rare headline.
For Americans, it is just any other Tuesday.
American solution: put the 3yo in prison for forced labour and arm all 1 year olds so they can defend themselves.
Gun manufacturers: heavy breathing
Use the 3 year olds in prison to make the guns for the 1 year olds to arm themselves! Fuckin bang two for one.
Not really
Then send thoughts and prayers when it happens over and over again. We’ve done nothing to fix the problem and there’s nothing we can do about it!
the 2 common culprits in all these horrible stories are: 1) human stupidity 2) gun proliferation. solving the first would require eugenism. solving the second is a big american no-no. So don’t call it horrible, just live with it. It’s just a normal by-product of american culture.
IMHO solving 1 needed educations, but that’s also a big American no-no, so we’re back to square one.
IMHO solving 1 needed educations, but that’s also a big American no-no
No it’s not. For all of their ills, stupidity, nonsense, fraud, and extremely questionable decisions the NRA does run education campaigns with their “Eddie Eagle” program. A big problem is that it has been kicked out of schools, especially schools in Blue States, so they’re unable to reach one of the audiences that need it the most.
It’s like Red States kicking Sex Education out of schools and being shocked at teen pregnancies. Education works far better than restriction. Always.
it has been kicked out of schools
So, as @Ichi_matsu@ttrpg.network said, it’s a big no-no for Americans.
I hadn’t thought of it quite that way but I suppose so. American’s do seem to have a nasty habit of not wanting to teach our children about things we don’t like.
Yeah, I’m not sure eugenics is ever the answer
Wtf?
Solving the first would require the end of human existence. You can’t breed out stupidity, eugenics doesn’t solve anything.
It’s not immediately clear if any parents were in the home at the time of the shooting.
I guess it tracks that if they left a toddler and a baby in the house alone, they’d also be irresponsible enough to leave a weapon just sitting out unsecured and loaded. What a tragedy.
Sending yet more thoughts and prayers /s.
Sounds like the owner needs to be charged. Unfortunately they rarely are.
This is California. We are required by law to lock away our firearms and have safety locks on them. I hope the parents get fucked so hard, shit will be pushed out of their mouths. They are fuckin idiots.
Many states have laws that would allow parents to be charged under negligence. They are still rarely charged. Even when they are, they are generally just given probation.
Clearly we need to arm 1 year olds so they can defend themselves
“As of July 12, there have been at least 217 unintentional shootings by children, which have resulted in 76 deaths and 149 injuries so far in 2023, according to a count by the gun control nonprofit Everytown for Gun Safety”
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Trigger locks are not hard to get and are inexpensive.
I’m iffy on more gun control, but if there is something I’d want to do, it’d be requiring businesses to provide a trigger lock with each sale.
Reputable gun shops provide them free of charge w/ every sale.
/gun collector
The average American is too dumb to own guns and I say this from a household with several guns. Seriously would rather not have them if that means idiots and the mentally unstable don’t either.
as an American I barely trust myself around knives
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Spot on. Pretty much the only reason I carry. Never know when some d bag is going to start blasting the local grocery store.
Such a rare opinion to see today.
Who is smart enough to own guns then? Solely the government?
…it’d be requiring businesses to provide a trigger lock with each sale.
Pretty much is in the State of California. This is yet another instance of someone not following the basic god damned rules of firearm safety.
You can only do so much to encourage gun safety, but when you get to this point I think it’s only fitting to charge the gun owner with a felony and forbid them from ever owning a firearm again.
With a 3 year old, even just emptying the gun would have been effective. Or putting it in heights
Every gun I’ve bought came with a cable lock. They are a waste though as would be a required trigger lock. I prefer different and more reliable storage methods.
And just because something came in the box doesn’t mean it is going to be used correctly. Especially if someone doesn’t like that way of securing a firearm. A better way is probably just some PSAs and tax breaks for security/storage devices to encourage proper storage. If there are going to be these things in every box give me a way to return them or something.
I’m pretty sure that’s already a law.
Shit when I bought my pistol it friggin came WITH a trigger lock.
