What the fuck are the studios gonna do, make movies and shows without actors?
Highlights: The negotiating committee of the actors’ union, SAG-AFTRA, told its members on Saturday that it had received a “Last, Best and Final Offer” from the major entertainment studios as a strike that has brought much of Hollywood to a standstill continued for a 114th day.
“We are reviewing it and considering our response within the context of the critical issues addressed in our proposals,” the negotiating committee said. They did not say when they would respond to the offer, which came after an hourlong video conference call that included top studio executives.
Included in the offer was a wage increase that could be the highest in four decades, according to a person familiar with the offer who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the negotiations. The studios also offered the actors a new way to determine residuals for streaming programs based on performance metrics, and protections on artificial intelligence, including consent and compensation requirements. The studios also offered an increase to the pension and health funds.
As a Teamster union steward, any time I hear about a last, best, final, I immediately get super skeptical. Which one is it? Last? Best? Or final?
Probably not best. Probably not last. Final? Doubtful.
Whatever the offer, triple it, then double that. SAG has these motherfuckers by the balls. Double the triple double. Fuck them all.
What’s the difference between last and final?
Last week I went out for dinner. I hope this week isn’t my final week, that would be sad.
If i gave you the last pretzel in my box, wouldn’t that also be the final pretzel? I understand the semantics, it’s just funny to me.
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I don’t disagree. In context though, it’s the last (read latest), best and final (there will be no more) offer.
Last pretzel in the box is not the last pretzel on Earth. Yes, it’s semantics.
Probably nothing, and that’s just another reason I don’t believe them.
Its the last version ist the one you just got, the final the one with the filename “offer_final_final_nowreally_2.0_final_actuallyfinal.pdf”
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While I doubt they will close, I could easily see them stopping for 6 months so the strikers have to find new employment, then opening to those who will take a similar or smaller offer. Hell, buy a couple of hundred of peoples likeness for a few thousand each and don’t bother reviewing actors.
ha, isnt it always the last offer? i mean, if it wasnt they would wait for the next!
its like finding your keys, theyre always in the last place you look!
It’s just awkwardly worded. The SAG reported they’ve received an offer from the studio, in which they studio called “the last, best, and final” offer they’re (sag) going to get.
It’s blatantly untrue, though. If the actors don’t accept it are the studios going to just close up shop? No. So it’s absolutely not the final offer unless they accept it.
Agreed. It’s just studio bravado. “THIS IS MY LAST, BEST, AND FINAL OFFER PARKER!” as Spiderman continues and JJJ keeps paying despite his previous outburst.
Yeah, it’s just bullshit. They said the same thing during the writer’s strike before making two more offers.
Not if you keep looking 🤔
That was a Jeff Foxworthy bit.
“Hey, Jeff, you find your wallet?”
“Yeah, but I’m still lookin’ for it. Just in case we’re livin’ in a parallel universe.”
you keep looking for things after you find them? i guess everyone needs a hobby
It’s called ADHD, I sometimes go looking for my phone while it’s right in my hand.
I’ve been known once or twice to find my keys (or phone, that wrench, etc.) get distracted immediately after, then go back to looking for thembecause that’s what I remember doing before I got distracted while they’re right there in my hand.
You could arguably say that I re-lost them and started a new search, but I think it’s funnier to say I kept looking after it’s been found.
I kept looking and going YOUR keys, too!
I will do it for $1m and this is my 4th to last offer. 😤
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Oh look, it’s fake Margot Robbie again
You leave our Margot alone!
Pretty sure that’s the real Margot Robbie, check their post history! It’s really cool that Margs is part of the community!!
oh yeah, check the post history, some how Margot Robbie is an expert in programming IDEs: https://lemm.ee/comment/5424323
Pretty sure this is some Linux nerd running an elaborate joke. Nothing in Margot Robbie’s bio, or interviews suggest a background or interest in programming.
Knowing the difference between VS and VSCode hardly makes me an expert on IDEs. Even if the subject came up (and it never does), why would I ever brag about having basic knowledge of random subjects on national TV?
Also, if I remember correctly, wasn’t there this recent summer blockbuster where the female protagonist defying stereotype and saying something unexpectedly knowledgeable or insightful was a recurring (and somewhat overused) joke?
But some inexplicable reason, I just can’t recall the name of that movie, only in theater July 21st.
Have you ever mentioned Lemmy in any official communication?
Because I would love to see any tangible proof it’s the real MR.
I’ll wait post strike, no hurry here.
Jokes aren’t as funny if you explain them.
When the right time comes, you’ll know.
Bro, learn to take a joke.
Well you can see she has a lot of newfound spare time with the strikes, it’s possible she just picked it up. It’s also possible that she keeps that part of her life private.
Throughout the profile there’s tons of proof it’s her, she makes references to the strikes and her movies constantly! There’s even a picture of herself as the profile pic!!
Just because Margot is an actress doesn’t mean she doesn’t program, be a little bit open minded. I think it’s pretty neat that she’s an expert in programming IDE’s now, maybe Lemmy is what sparkled her interest to learn!
Edit: Your name is phoneymouse! I looked up the definition of phoney. According to Marian Webster it means “not genuine or real.”. I think you’re projecting!
You caught me, I’m not a real mouse. At least I’m upfront about it.
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Hello Margot Robbie!
Hi!
No. Hollywood actors don’t need more money.
That’s true for some of them, but not all actors are A-listers
I mean, even D-list actors don’t need more money.
“Final offer”
Sure…
They already did, it’s called “reality” television and it’s why we have the show COPS. However bored people have more entertainment options this time around, and more direct sources of information about the strike.
So does this mean actors will leave Hollywood en masse, buy their own cameras and equipment, use open source CGI or just rip off the bigwigs’ programs, and we can go back to making movies for art and not for capitalist commodities and mindless propaganda?
Hahaha… haha… no
Were the WGA happy with their deal? I also would like to see this end as the theaters are running out of material, next will be a Ben Shapiro rom-com.
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That’s not what it says. Different part of the sentence.
studios also offered the actors a new way to determine residuals for streaming programs based on performance metrics, and protections on artificial intelligence, including consent and compensation requirements.
Residuals based on performance metrics and protections from having their voices and likenesses used in AI generated content. Two different things.
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A computer program written by humans with auditable code to calculate payroll is very different from a computer program using AI models that no human on Earth could feasibly comprehend via analysis performing the same task.
AI can and has been “tweaked” in order to fit a specific agenda in the past (see: social media algorithms in general, especially Facebook’s social experiments), and it will be used to do the same in the future. The thing about AI is that direct human-caused motives for its actions are hard to prove.
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How has this comment not been down voted to oblivion? Homie has the reading comprehension of a gibbon
hourlong
Shame, NYT. Learn to English.
No u
That’s accepted spelling.
Get content from other countries or get non union actors to work on your projects
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Actually Korean and Japanese dramas are very popular on Netflix. With Blackl pink and bts being so popular along with anime lots of younger people watch them.
As new Hollywood content Dries up people will look for either older content they haven’t consumed yet or alternative content like k dramas
As for people willing to scab. There are other countries out there without the unions. Many of those countries have a high level of English speakers that would likely love a Hollywood pay check for a while. There are also many people in America who wouldn’t care and if they can get a movie or TV show that could pay hundreds of thousands vs retail or service industry jobs it could be worth it even for a short time.
Yeah! I’m looking forward to seeing Bandernick Comberbush and Elozibeth Ilson in the next Dr. Strange movie. It’s not like anything in the previous movies endeared me to those characters.
What the fuck are the studios gonna do, make movies and shows without actors?
What are actors going to do? Just star in avant-garde productions because they can’t work with any popular IPs?
That would mean more effort for less money.
Why do you think this is about working with popular IPs? This is about day players working two jobs to survive and not even making enough money to qualify for SAG-AFTRA health insurance because pay is so shit, coupled with the fact that the studios want to steal their likeness and use it in perpetuity using CG.
Why do you think this is about working with popular IPs?
How is this even a question? I was very clear. But to be clearer for those of you in the back, what are the actors going to act in if they can’t act in the movies which the studios own the rights to?
Working two jobs to survive
Okay, bud. I don’t think you know what the word ‘survive’ means. It’s not like these people are ‘surviving’ off of peanut-butter and jelly sandwiches. Try to learn the difference between ‘needs’ and ‘wants’ before you make this about ‘survival.’
coupled with the fact that the studios want to steal their likeness and use it in perpetuity using CG.
Steal their what? You mean copy?
It’s not like these people are ‘surviving’ off of peanut-butter and jelly sandwiches.
Yes, they literally are. Famous movie stars are paid millions. Day players are paid shit. Maybe work in the industry before you talk about things you know nothing about.
Day players are paid shit. Maybe work in the industry before you talk about things you know nothing about.
What? So you’re telling me they’re actually eating bologna and cheese sandwiches on a regular basis because they can’t afford anything else?
They must not also be subscribing to any streaming services, right? Probably doing a lot of shopping at Walmart? They must not travel much, either.
Or are they trying to live as luxurious a life as possible (like everyone else) while doing as little work as possible? (like everyone else)
Like I said, learn the difference between ‘needs’ and ‘wants’ before you try to make this about survival.
What? So you’re telling me they’re actually eating bologna and cheese sandwiches on a regular basis because they can’t afford anything else?
Yes.
They must not also be subscribing to any streaming services, right?
Yes.
Probably doing a lot of shopping at Walmart?
Yes.
Or are they trying to live as luxurious a life as possible (like everyone else) while doing as little work as possible? (like everyone else)
No.
Minimum requirement for SAG-AFTRA health insurance is $26,000 a year. Thousands do not make enough to qualify and do not have health insurance.
If you think making less than $26,000 a year and not having health insurance is living a luxurious life, you must be posting from your tent under a bridge right now.
You forget. They’re not just making less than $26K, they’re also living in LA.
Some of them in their cars.
Not every actor is George Clooney you twat. Most of them are working in cafes and coffee shops on the side
Nice hyperbole.
SAG-AFTRA has 170,000 voting members. Only a small fraction makes more than a million.
Nice retort. It’s okay to be wrong friend, we’re all here to learn and grow.
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You’re mad I called out greed for what it is.
