• LapGoat@pawb.social
    11·
    20 小时前

    ive seen more people complain about vegans than i have met vegans. the vegans i have met are usually chill, unless its on the internet specifically.

    anti-veganism seems like a touch grass moment imo

  • HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca
    12·
    1 天前

    Not vegan, but hate the idea that they’re made fun of for trying to spread awareness. I’m not including the militant vegans here. They do more damage than they fix.

    I’m sure some people do it from a high horse but vegans are far from the only type of people that do that. And the message is absolutely important, besides the cruelty part, eating animals is a huge part of the climate change problem.

    • deltamental@lemmy.world
      1·
      25 分钟前

      Being “militant” means that you don’t curb your ethical viewpoint to accommodate the feelings of those who behave unethically, according to your viewpoint.

      An easy-going person who is anti-trafficking, maybe they will stay chummy with Epstein, let things slide, keep pleasant relations, be pragmatic, avoid abrasive confrontations, and all-around keeping social situations smooth, even when things don’t adhere to their sense of morality. Maybe they will speak up when trafficking hits to close to home or in extreme cases, but will defer to the general vibe in situations where the audience is less receptive.

      Meanwhile, a militant anti-trafficker like Norman Finkelstein is going to behave differently: he will shamelessly bash Dershowitz, Epstein for their trafficking, social etiquette be damned. Harsh words hurl from his mouth and his abrasive sentiments disrupt what could have been a polite, pleasant interaction. He might even reject substantial material benefits ($$$) to castigate his hopeful associates.

      If you grew up, lived, and were were cultivated into one of the many historical societies where trafficking perpetrated by powerful elite was normalized, even celebrated (Genghis Kahn’s empire, aristocratic society in Ancient Greece, …) you might be the anti-trafficker minority in a pro-trafficking society. And you would, most likely, shut the fuck up and just let things slide: why make your own life hellish and unpleasant to make but a small dent in a sea of immorality? Are you going to tell off your local warlord over his harem of war-captured slaves?

      At the end of the day, you have to decide: are you trying to “spread awareness” of trafficking, or are you trying to end it? Temper it, or wholly eliminate it from the face of the Earth?

      “It’s offensive to compare noble, beneficial trafficking in Ancient Greece with the horrible exploitative trafficking of the modern day.” – Plato’s Ghost

      “How dare you compare the life of a precious American troop with a dirty terrorist” – Donald Rumsfeld, probably

      “My brain shuts off when people start talking mumbo-jumbo about o-rings” – NASA administrators, presumably

      There is no evidence open sores on the skin of a chicken, pig, cow, dog, or cat feel less painful to them because they aren’t human. No evidence being confined in metal warehouses for months feels more rewarding to those who lack opposable thumbs. At this moment, 34,000,000,000 land animals are experiencing such a life, brought into existence through human-controlled breeding, designed to produce unnaturally ripe bodies for the slaughterhouse, flesh for the human palate. The sheer scale of this massive project to exploit animal bodies has meant only 4% of mammalian biomass today is wild animals, while a staggering 62% of that biomass is in the bodies of the creatures we breed to exploit.

      “Climate change” could never hope to do a even a fraction of the damage we are already doing on an annual basis, to cause the amount of unmitigated suffering we are causing as par for the course. That’s the truth, and any serious vegan who sugar coats it is doing so strategically, not because they “respect different perspectives on the issue”.

    • WraithGear@lemmy.worldEnglish
      15·
      24 小时前

      it’s not because they are trying to spread awareness. now obviously not all blah blah blah., but they have a tendency to be highly sanctimonious and abrasive, they accept no partial measures and treat it like like a cult would in the eve of the coolaid tasting party.

      kind hard to see their point of view in the other end of a carnist label spat at you.

      • HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca
        2·
        12 小时前

        Have you tried not doing exactly what you’re accusing them of doing?

        Everybody needs to move away from the extremes, both sides, all of us.

        Not all vegans are militant. Not all meat eaters are blood lusting demons.

        • WraithGear@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          10 小时前

          sure? but i am not arguing for the benefits of the KFC double down with bacon. i already acknowledged that not all vegans are like that, but you are being dishonest if you are claiming my critique of the vegan spaces being dominated by the loudest and most brash of the extremes, is unwarranted. in lemmy it’s usually directed at randoms who wander in from /all. and it’s an all or nothing situation, where vegetarians are branded with the same iron as people who advocate for animal harm.

          i prefaced with understanding that a community is not just its loudest and obnoxious people, but nonetheless they set the tone

  • Ontimp@feddit.org
    56·
    2 天前

    There is no way they were the first vegans in 2016. There have been 100+ ascents per year for decades, should have been around 6000 in total as of 2016.

    Considering the mountain is in a part of the world where significant parts of the population are de-facto vegans without identifying as such, I highly doubt that no one among the 6k people before them was living on a plant based diet

  • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
    244·
    2 天前

    I used to own an ice cream shop, and we had vegan ice cream, and a pretty good following for it. I got so I could recognize them as they were walking from their car.

    One quiet day, I saw this older couple start getting out of their car, and I said to my assistant “They’re vegan.” She asked how I knew, and I said “Just look at them, they’re obviously vegan.” She said “But they’re so old.” “You’ll see,” I said.

    They walked in, and the first thing the old guy said was “We hear you have vegan ice cream, we’re vegans!” and I could sense my assistant’s head swivel to look at me in my peripheral vision.

    As I made his ice cream, he went on to tell me how his wife makes vegan steaks so good, I wouldn’t be able to tell the difference. Yes, I could.

  • mathemachristian [he/him]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    2310·
    2 天前

    bro vegans are so dumb they’re depriving themselves of key nutrients and become weak and constantly tired.

    that’s wrong, let me prove it to you by climbing the fucking everest

    bro vegans are so annoying and why won’t they shut the fuck up about it

    the carnist intellectuals have come out in force I see

  • CromulantCrow@lemmy.zipEnglish
    1197·
    2 天前

    I’m my experience it’s about a ten to one ratio of people who shit on vegans because they “never shut up about it” vs vegans who actually never shut up about it. So a vegan wanted to show she could climb Mt Everest. She did it, then she died of acute altitude sickness during the descent, something completely unrelated to her diet. Her husband, also vegan, lived. She became one of hundreds of people who have died in that climb, all of whom wanted to prove they could do it. Just let people live their life how they want to. Heaping scorn on someone who died trying to prove themselves isn’t cool.

    • Tigeroovy@lemmy.caEnglish
      271·
      2 天前

      It’s like right wingers always claiming that gay /trans people are “shoving it down their throat” because they make TV shows for gay people.

      Like for one, no they aren’t. And two, that’s interesting phrasing you’ve chosen.

    • BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.ukEnglish
      62·
      2 天前

      I’m my experience it’s about a ten to one ratio of people who shit on vegans because they “never shut up about it” vs vegans who actually never shut up about it.

      A true testament to how many people they annoy.

    • Tonava@sopuli.xyz
      51·
      2 天前

      Just let people live their life how they want to

      I’d rather have them not climb the damn mountain though. It’s become a sort of tourist trap -thing (literally), there’s people selling commercial climbings and all. It’s extremely wasteful and them littering the place with all their trash (like extra oxygen tanks) and then with their corpses is disgusting and kind of insulting considering Sagarmatha has some religious significance to locals as well

  • percent
    30·
    2 天前

    If this is the same story I’m thinking of, she and her partner wanted to be the first vegans to climb to the top, to show the world that vegans can do it. Coincidentally, another vegan actually did it like 1-2 days before their attempt.

    • LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world
      1717·
      2 天前

      Ah, I sincerely hope someone told her during her last dying breaths that she wasn’t the first vegan to climb Mount-Whatever and therefore she didn’t actually need to do it.

    • ecvanalog@lemmy.world
      5·
      2 天前

      I have repurposed it for Trump supporters, who ABSOLUTELY NEVER shut the fuck up about being Trump supporters and also are a genuine menace to others where vegans really are not.

  • BillyClark@piefed.socialEnglish
    1214·
    3 天前

    There are a lot of vegans and vegetarians who don’t make it their raison d’etre, so I’m sure there have been some who climbed Everest in the past, even if we don’t know about it.

        • Zozano@aussie.zoneEnglish
          133·
          2 天前

          I get the joke, but it’s kind of a shitty joke.

          “Haha, you’ve decided morals are more important than flavour”

          I mean, yeah. It’s an ethical trade-off?

          “Haha, you donated $1 to pay for mosquito nets in third world countries. You’ve decided lives are more important than money”

          • 9bananas@feddit.org
            6·
            2 天前

            mosquito nets in third world countries

            oooohhh…yeah…about those…

            turns out the mosquito nets are devastating local fish populations, because people use them to fish, since they get them as a finished product instead of having to knit nets themselves. and starvation being a bigger immediate threat, they prioritize that over malaria.

            the nets are also laced with toxic chemicals (against the mosquitoes), which are extremely toxic to fish.

            they also have much smaller holes, so they catch the young offspring as well, leading to rapid depletion of stocks.

            so, yeah…good idea in theory, but didn’t turn out so great…

            • MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world
              4·
              2 天前

              It’s a good idea on its own, but the overall issues are more complex and nuanced. Maybe sending some non-toxic fishing nets could help? (Hopefully they’ve thought of this already)

          • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works
            31·
            2 天前

            Bro, its a joke. It works too because its clever and subtle. Its meant to make people laugh, not spawn a debate on vegan politics.

            I will say, as a vegan, I thought it was a fantastic joke.