Today the first of Feb is Global Switch day, Spread awareness of the Fediverse in your communities.

    • GalacticSushi@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      7·
      3 days ago

      Lemmy and Piefed are both Reddit alternatives. I’m not sure what all the pros and cons are of each, but Lemmy’s developers are tankies so probably better to direct users and funding to a different project. I’m only on Lemmy because I wasn’t aware of Piefed when I first joined.

  • Dirty AnCom@discuss.onlineEnglish
    463·
    4 days ago

    Lol, posting Piefed as an alternative to reddit to Lemmy…

    Also, PeerTube is super obtuse to get an account and has almost no reach. You almost have to personally know someone who has a server or host your own. There’s a reason why video hosting has gotten so corporatized: it’s expensive. That said, almost “no one” used Mastodon for nearly a decade and it’s finally starting to take off, so maybe it just needs another decade or two.

    • Warl0k3@lemmy.worldEnglish
      810·
      4 days ago

      A lot of people hesitate to promote lemmy because of how transphobic / authoritarian the lead devs are. It’s unfortunate, but if you’re concerned about that then piefed really is the more attractive option (I like my comment history too much to have switched yet but… man, it’s getting hard to justify not having done it.)

      • YTG123@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        141·
        4 days ago

        And obviously the Piefed codebase is so politically and ethically agreeable… /s

        No one likes the lemmy lead devs or their stances. But, to my knowledge, they just keep doing their own thing over at .ml and never channel it into their actual codebase.

        When I first started here, I was on Kbin, and switched to lemmy because it was so much better. I considered switching to Piefed exactly because of these reasons you mentioned (I’ve already switched lemmy instances, comment history is not an issue for me), but when I looked into it there were so many just frankly aggravating things about the way it works and filters stuff by default (not to mention being written in Python, but that’s completely tangential) that I couldn’t do it.

        Sure, lemmy developers have backwards principles. But at least their software doesn’t. I completely get why someone would use Piefed instead, especially if they’re trans or of some other demographic directly targeted by the lemmy developers, but I wouldn’t do it myself (unless it gets better, of course).

        • GalacticSushi@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          3·
          3 days ago

          And obviously the Piefed codebase is so politically and ethically agreeable… /s

          People are more likely to donate to a project that they actually use. If more people are using piefed, it means more money going to that project rather than a bunch of tankies. So I can see why people who disagree with the Lemmy devs might want to direct people elsewhere even if the software itself is apolitical.

        • Warl0k3@lemmy.worldEnglish
          53·
          4 days ago

          It’s a testament to (if nothing else) the ability of the piefed devs to behave like adults that I know nothing about them personally. Nu/Des are horrible people, both politically and interpersonally, but that’s the beauty of FOSS: Those of us comfortable with separating the software from the creators get to stick with the software we prefer over one that lacks features or broad support (i.e. all the piefed apps I’ve tried have been pretty rough). Same energy as why people still use windows instead of linux.

    • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.socialOPEnglish
      618·
      5 days ago

      I’ve tried to promote Lemmy on Reddit in the past, only to be met with people complaining about the really old UI and bad UX, they also complain about tankies.

      PieFed doesn’t have that bad rep, so I’ve found it easier to promote, both lead to the Fedivers so either is a win.

      • toofpic@lemmy.worldEnglish
        419·
        5 days ago

        UX/UI are only as bad as the client is. For me, Lemmy is indistinguishable from reddit (if you don’t look at numbers of comments), because I use Lemmy Sync, as I used Reddit Sync before

        • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.socialOPEnglish
          243·
          5 days ago

          I used Lemmy for months, mostly in the browser and my UX was absolutely horrible.

          The default browser UI sucks.

          I had to try many different settings and eventually through a lot of effort found the Photon UI, which is nice.

          The vast majority of users just won’t go through that effort. PieFed’s default UI is quite clean and modern and much nicer to use, which is why I promote it instead

          • anothermember@feddit.ukEnglish
            8·
            5 days ago

            I used Lemmy for months, mostly in the browser and my UX was absolutely horrible.

            The default browser UI sucks.

            How long ago? It was a bit flaky a couple of years ago but for me now it’s perfect - like Reddit UI before it enshittified.

            • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.socialOPEnglish
              17·
              4 days ago

              I’m sorry but the default Lemmy UI is objectively bad, it breaks so many UX principles.

              Photon is good, but go to Lemmy.world and it looks like a website built in the early 90’s

              • anothermember@feddit.ukEnglish
                8·
                4 days ago

                If it looks like anything of the past then it looks like the web from 10-15 years ago pre-mass-enshittification, maybe people have forgotten what non user hostile websites look like.

                Photon has infinite scrolling, which is horrible.

                • Xylight‮@lemdro.idEnglish
                  1·
                  4 days ago

                  Infinite scrolling is optional and also a feature the majority of users (not hyper specific tech nerds) want. If we are to have any hope of bringing the average social media user onto these platforms, we have to design it for them. Most of the addictiveness comes from the algorithm (lemmy lacks a personalized one), not necessarily the infinite scrolling itself

                • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.socialOPEnglish
                  14·
                  4 days ago

                  Yes there’s been enshitification, but not everything has gotten worse. UI’s are much better than the past.

                  Why is infinite scrolling a bad UX? It saves the user from clicking next-page

                  You could argue that it’s dark-ux, but it’s not bad-ux

          • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            61·
            4 days ago

            I use the the apk called “Thunder” and it does a fantastic job. Much better than just using the website of here or reddit.

        • Kalothar@lemmy.caEnglish
          11·
          4 days ago

          I’m checking in with voyager here, and I came from the reddit Apollo app and I feel the same.

          It was practically seamless, though I’ve considered switching to try out other clients.

          Tried Piefed and find it clunky with my current level of familiarity

      • T͏i͏d͏b͏i͏T͏@mander.xyzEnglish
        64·
        5 days ago

        I hear that, but the thing is anyone can block whatever/whoever they feel the need to in the fediverse. I truly believe server admins should federate across the board, as it’s a disservice to end users only allowing federation with certain servers based on admin preference.

        As far as UI and UX go, Lemmy’s devs are some of the biggest players in the overall fediverse functionality. So while the UI/UX could use some more attention in select areas, being able to interact with the other platforms is a much bigger aspect to the appeal of the fediverse! The Lemmy devs really do deserve a lot more credit for their work, regardless on their opinions or how the they approach discussing them.

        • OiMate@feddit.ukEnglish
          94·
          5 days ago

          Lemmy doesn’t truly block stuff and the devs refuse to fix that

          • T͏i͏d͏b͏i͏T͏@mander.xyzEnglish
            101·
            5 days ago

            Really? Huh, I have a decent amount of communities blocked and I’ve never seen a single post from anyone of them after implementing the block

            • rhombus@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              2·
              4 days ago

              I’m assuming they mean it isn’t a two way block. Blocked users can still interact with your posts/comments, you just can’t see them. I personally think that should be how it works, but I’ve seen a lot of arguments for the Reddit-style blocking where they can’t interact with you anymore.

            • ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.netEnglish
              1·
              3 days ago

              User level community and instance blocks will stop you from seeing posts from those places, but it does not block their users or their comments, so you’d still be able to see them around in non-blocked communities.

              • T͏i͏d͏b͏i͏T͏@mander.xyzEnglish
                1·
                3 days ago

                You can also establish a user block though too, so if their comments in unblocked communities are making your experience less than ideal, just block that user.

                • ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.netEnglish
                  1·
                  3 days ago

                  That’s not a terribly good user experience if a user doesn’t want to interact with or see any comments from users of a particular instance, as then it would require the user to manually block hundreds of users over a long span of time.

    • Die4Ever@retrolemmy.comEnglish
      171·
      4 days ago

      I’ve seen the Reddit users be more receptive of PieFed over Lemmy. In a post suggesting Lemmy, the Reddit users will just comment that it looks ugly, it’s confusing, devs are tankies, etc. Posts suggesting PieFed get less complaints and more signups.

      Also I think the instance choice is easier for PieFed compared to Lemmy. If you tell people to use Lemmy, they’ll probably end up on lemmy.world which is overpopulated, or lemmy.ml…

      • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.socialOPEnglish
        73·
        4 days ago

        This is why I stopped promoting Lemmy and switched to PieFed.

        UX is everything, and Lemmy UX sucked. The default UX (for your average user) is dog shit.

        People want ‘it just works’ and PieFed offers that more than Lemmy does.

        • mesa@piefed.socialEnglish
          1·
          4 days ago

          Thanks! I personally think as long as people land in the fediverse, its going to be ok. But its cool to give some highlights to piefed.

          Also congrats on making a “controversial” post! Thats how you know its good :D

    • 1984@lemmy.todayEnglish
      31·
      4 days ago

      Yeah but this is like when Disney makes star wars tv shows. Ignore what the current audience likes and use the show as a vehicle to try and tell them what they should like.

      I didnt think they could do worse than Discovery but the Academy is incredibly bad. On the plus side, Im rewatching Deep Space Nine again.

  • doingthestuff@lemy.lolEnglish
    4·
    3 days ago

    Do you really want the world to join here? I don’t think you do. A lot of the world is anti trans, anti woke or whatever they want to call it. I’m pretty open minded but the Marxist purists who continuously shout down differing opinions get really old sometimes.

    • Mulligrubs@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      3 days ago

      Elsewhere in this thread it is said that Lemmy makers have “backwards principles” and trans would be better served by “piefed”.

      Elsewhere in same thread, Lemmy creators are “trans tankies”.

      who is in charge of these claims and how do they reach these conclusions? I want access to the Lemmy/Piefed tankie-trans wars, I must be in wrong subs

      • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        2·
        3 days ago

        That’s entirely possible, as it’s closer to being the very public conflicts of like a dozen people. You could have blocked one user and inadvertantly insulated yourself from almost all of it.

  • kamen@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5·
    3 days ago

    For things that you’re using by yourself, sure, it’s doable. However, for content creation, it’s pretty hard. Some of those alternatives just don’t have the critical mass yet. Maybe it would be an option to do both in parallel for some time before switching completely, but might not work for everybody.

    Practical example: I’m a hobbyist photographer. Small timer, less than 1000 followers. My livelihood doesn’t depend on this, but I’m still serious about it. I mainly do concerts and sport events (so a lot of things involving other people) and my main outlets are Facebook and Instagram. Switching to something else would mean either 1) that no one will see my work or 2) that people will see my photos on the alternative place, they’ll copy them over and they’ll still end up on Facebook and Instagram, but this time without my creative control (thus badly cropped and recompressed several times - so even if I pay special attention to those things when publishing by myself, the effort goes down the drain when someone else does it).

    • Blaze@piefed.zipEnglish
      544·
      5 days ago

      Piefed has quite a few features that Lemmy doesn’t have:

      • multicommunities
      • onboarding process asking new joiners what they are into
      • crossposts comments consolidation
      • communities moderation features
      • posts and user flairs
      • keyword filters

      https://join.piefed.social/features/

      Lemmy should get there in version 1.0, but they still don’t have any precise timeframe for that release, and still need to do some testing https://lemmy.ml/comment/23570258

      You might see a few people discrediting Piefed for some optional filters it offers, but all of those filters are configurable by admins and disabled by default: https://piefed.zip/c/fediverse/p/1005977/piefed-admin-settings-that-allow-to-enable-or-disable-content-filters-they-are-disabled-by

      • Lauchmelder@feddit.orgEnglish
        2315·
        5 days ago

        The fact these filters exist in the first place are not a good sign. When Microsoft introduces new shitware that is “disabled by default” people are skeptical that it might not be disabled for long, but when a fediverse dev does it to block content they personally don’t like it’s fine? This goes against the entire concept of the fediverse imho. Just block people you don’t like yourself

        • tenchiken@anarchist.nexusEnglish
          42·
          5 days ago

          it’s Python. It’s foss.

          I’ve removed code I didn’t want in mine. (A feature I later re enabled).

          If I want to add code, I do so. Or I remove code.

          Microsoft is closed, and they are leveraging tons of cash to manipulate. Try turning off updates on a windows 11 machine… Is it just a toggle? What if Microsoft removes the option or requires… oh wait closed source and they already did.

          All piefed has been doing is giving options.

          Blame admins if you like but be honest about your intentions instead of this campism.

          Masto and other fedi services give options of blanket blocks or filters, so arguing entire concept of fedi is nonsense.

        • whaleross@lemmy.worldEnglish
          17·
          5 days ago

          It goes against your concept of the Fediverse. You are just as much trying to force your personal preference on others with this argument of slippery slope of Microsoft nonsense.

          I think it is great if different instances have different profiles that cater to different audience instead of everything just being the same with different domain names. If it is all the same it may as well be a single instance and the entire point of federating is lost.

        • Blaze@piefed.zipEnglish
          184·
          5 days ago

          Microsoft does not operate on a federated model.

          The Piefed devs have no way to change the configuration of other instances.

            • Blaze@piefed.zipEnglish
              191·
              5 days ago

              If you believe that the Piefed devs would get away with overriding the configuration of other instances with an update, that’s not realistic.

              Most of the Piefed users (myself included) would leave immediately.

              What our experience is is the opposite: the Piefed dev team is always receptive to feedback, and improves the software based on this constantly.

              • mesa@piefed.socialEnglish
                6·
                4 days ago

                It took 2 days for a PR to go though on piefed. It was a great experience.

                Reading the code is VERY easy, even compared to other projects. I was able to get it up and running in about 30 mins with very little knowledge of the project. The “filters” are all optional on the admin side and instances can and have modified them to suit their needs.

                Congrats @rimu@piefed.social ! Your project has gained “controversy”, the main way you can tell its getting successful 😁.

        • Signtist@bookwyr.meEnglish
          1·
          5 days ago

          I specifically chose my instance by what content they did and didn’t choose to block. I turned away from several otherwise appealing instances because they didn’t block some of the content I would’ve wanted them to. I know I can do it myself, and I do when I need to, but I want an instance that aligns with my interests enough that I don’t have to worry about blocking every problematic group as they pop up. If something changes and the instance ends up blocking things I wouldn’t want blocked, I move to another instance. It’s as easy as moving to another seat on the bus - barely an inconvenience.

        • Grail@multiverse.soulism.netEnglish
          65·
          5 days ago

          I recommend MULTIVERSE, the anarcho-antirealist PieFed server. We have a karma system the same as Reddit, which you’re used to, and we don’t do any extra processing of the score. Some PieFed sites ignore karma earned on meme communities to prevent repost farming, but on MULTIVERSE, we just look at upvotes - downvotes, and unlike Reddit, your karma score means absolutely nothing for your ability to post on communities.

    • Lauchmelder@feddit.orgEnglish
      359·
      5 days ago

      piefed has an opinionated dev reimplementing karma and filters for content they don’t like right into the application

      • tiredofsametab@fedia.io
        94·
        5 days ago

        I was thinking of giving piefed a shot. Any further reading on this?

        Edit: Why on earth is this so downvoted? I was thinking of switching from mbin to piefed, saw this, and asked for elaboration. FFS.

        • Lauchmelder@feddit.orgEnglish
          63·
          5 days ago

          I don’t think there’s a writeup, but I can search for explanations later, I’m kind of on the go rn. These filters are technically optional, it’s just another piece of trust you have to hand over to your instance admin and hope they don’t turn them on. Also you have to trust that these optional filters are the only ones, and that there won’t be any hidden filters.

          If you wanna give it a shot then by all means go ahead, but I personally feel very uneasy knowing these exist and the dev is willing to implement algorithms to punish people who post “bad content” in their eyes

          • Kate@lemmings.worldEnglish
            82·
            5 days ago

            Lemmy also has filters, you have to have the same ‘trust’ that admins don’t add words to them.

            • Lauchmelder@feddit.orgEnglish
              73·
              5 days ago

              Lemmy intransparently punishes users for using reaction GIFs, writing “this” comments and punches communities for having the words "meme’ or “shitpost” in the title? that’s crazy

              • Skavau@piefed.socialEnglish
                10·
                5 days ago

                All of these things can be turned off, moreover, the “punches communities” specifically refers to the mass federation tool that instance admins can use that has had a lot of terms removed.

      • SdWolf1902@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        620·
        5 days ago

        wait are you sure? there was a lemmy admin talking about how the software is authoritarian and has a “social credit score” that sounds like what a tankie would put in

        • Eldritch@piefed.worldEnglish
          82·
          5 days ago

          Piefed has two user rating systems. Your attitude, which is public, and allows people to see what your ratio of up votes to down votes is. The other being reputation, which is generally reserved for administration and moderation iirc. Which is an accumulation of how other people upvote and downvote you. Basically the sort of thing anyone could get just by looking at the public information just condensed all in one spot.

          Anyone calling it social credit score is being disingenuous. The most controversial feature it has is its content filtering system, which is disabled by default.

    • T͏i͏d͏b͏i͏T͏@mander.xyzEnglish
      141·
      5 days ago

      Piefed provides sections or slices of the fediverse and often is incorporated with mastodon, whereas Lemmy is a much bigger aspect of the overall fediverse. While everyone is entitled to their option how they approach certain topics, Lemmy’s devs have a huge impact on federation protocols, moderation norms, and general user experience across the fediverse!

    • hayvan@piefed.worldEnglish
      11·
      5 days ago

      They are similar platforms and they federate, i.e. you can see all Lemmy content with a Piefed account and vice versa.

    • Deceptichum@quokk.auEnglish
      209·
      5 days ago

      PieFed updates faster, is responsive to suggestions and user concerns, has way more features such as polls, topics (groups of communities that can be made by users, helps to browse all comms related to a topic) automated posts, it combines cross-post comments into 1 page, etc.

      And the Lemmy devs are transphobes, genocide deniers, support Russia invading Ukraine, etc. so there’s an ethical component to people not supporting it through using it.

      Because I’m sure “they’ll” come and rage here once they see this post I’ll pre-empt it and say the dev for PieFed is not perfect, no one is, and they’ve got some code around minimising meme images and 4chan content based on their personal preferences, but that stuffs all optional and can be turned on or off by the instance admins.

      • toofpic@lemmy.worldEnglish
        310·
        5 days ago

        All the people upvote you, it’s only “them” who downvote you. You have a clear picture of the world around you!

        • Deceptichum@quokk.auEnglish
          44·
          5 days ago

          I said nothing about votes.

          I’m talking about the hatejerk comm where they brigaded from the last time this image was posted and spammed it with misinformation.

        • goat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          1·
          2 days ago

          Piefed was created because users weren’t happy that the developers spend more time arguing on tankie talking points and censoring dissent than developing Lemmy.

  • Rose@slrpnk.netEnglish
    23·
    5 days ago

    Also, to avoid doing unpaid labour for Jeff Bezos, go from Goodreads to Bookwyrm!

    • LobsterJim@slrpnk.netEnglish
      7·
      4 days ago

      Bookwyrm is cool, it just needs more attention and interaction. It would be cool if it could expand into other forms of media (games, movies) like NeoDB, which again feels like posting into the void.

    • kazerniel@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      3 days ago

      There’s also StoryGraph - it’s not federated, but ran by a tiny UK company, but seems pretty popular. I like the content warnings feature and stuff like readers rating the pacing and moods of the books, which is then displayed with graphs on the book page, but they have also introduced some AI features :/ (fortunately opt-in)

        • merdaverse@lemmy.zipEnglish
          4·
          3 days ago

          It’s impressive how Goodreads has been owned by 10+ years by the company with the largest cloud infrastructure and supposedly great engineers, and still it loads like shitty personal blog from the 2000s. It’s pretty obvious it was just bought so they could redirect traffic to Kindle store, just like IMDB redirects to Amazon Prime.

      • Rose@slrpnk.netEnglish
        6·
        4 days ago

        As pointed out, Goodreads has been owned by Amazon for a good while. And they also own slices of some other similar book sites (LibraryThing, for example, and some other site that was merged into Goodreads).

  • MintyFresh@lemmy.worldEnglish
    18·
    4 days ago

    I’ve been using lemmy.world with the boost app. Should I look into piefed? Am I missing anything? I mean I’m happy with what I got, but is the grass any greener?

    • Chill_Dan@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      4 days ago

      It has a lot of cool features, I’m almost tempted to switch but am waiting on the app I use to finish supporting it first.

  • Fizz@lemmy.nzEnglish
    9·
    4 days ago

    What’s a good peertube instance that federates with a lot? I tried tldvids but its got like 2 regular uploaders and i cant find most channels I search for.