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[a character looks sad in front of a sad city, under the sunset]
Things aren’t looking great…
It sucks when the state kills people
Wish we could do something about it
[the character is now in front of their TV, showing ICE agents surrounding a bleeding corpse on the floor]
Wait… this time they killed WHITE people
This means it could happen to me too?!
[an angry crowd is demonstrating, holding various signs such as…]
THIS TIME YOU’VE GONE TOO FAR
I DRAW THE LINE HERE
TOLERATE NO MORE
2025-31-12, Keith Porter, shot and killed by ICE agents
2025-09-12, Silverio Villegas González, shot and killed by ICE agents
2025-07-28, Jaime Alanis Garcia, shot and killed by ICE agents
27 shootings by ICE in 2025,
8 of which were lethal
31 deaths in ICE custody in 2025
11 deaths in ICE custody in 2024
7 deaths in ICE custody in 2023
3 deaths in ICE custody in 2022
5 deaths in ICE custody in 2021
18 deaths in ICE custody in 2020
9 deaths in ICE custody in 2019
9 deaths in ICE custody in 2028
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Stop trying to divide us when we are trying to unite. The white people that are getting killed are the ones trying to help and warn their neighbors. Keep making them feel guilty and they may just give up.
I agree. I’m minority and I support starting to be pissed at this at any level and time. Just stick to it until its not a problem anymore.
Just stick to it until its not a problem anymore.
Reciprocated solidarity forges alliances that endure long after the immediate threat.
This. People were already protesting ICE long before Renée Good got killed. The racists, white supremacists, and nazis are still not protesting today. They don’t care if a murdered protestor is white. A Nazi is going to view any white protesters as race traitors. What’s happening right now is a dramatic shift in the scope of what ICE is doing. Rather than simply targeting immigrants, it’s being deployed against protestors and in crowd control efforts. The extent of people they’re targeting and how they’re targeting them is dramatically expanding as well.
In 2025, at least 32 people died in custody after being detained by ICE. This has caused massive protests nationwide.
But in 2025, there were only 2 people known to have been shot and killed by ICE:
Silverio Villegas González - September 12 - undocumented immigrant shot and killed by ICE in his car after dropping his kids off at school in Chicago. Video circulated online of his window getting broken out and him getting dragged out of the car after being shot.
Keith Porter - December 31 - African American father shot and killed in Los Angeles while allegedly setting off fireworks. There are no videos of what happened.
The first people shot and killed by ICE in 2026 include:
Renée Good - January 7 - woman shot and killed in her vehicle in Minneapolis. Videos of the incident circulated online. She was not actively protesting.
Alex Pretti - January 24 - protestor murdered execution style in Minneapolis for attempting to help a woman get safely to a sidewalk.
That’s it. This image includes completely incorrect information. Jaime Alanís Garcia died from breaking his neck after allegedly falling 30 feet from a building while a cannabis farm was being raided by ICE in Ventura County, California. ICE and CBP claims they were not targeting him. There’s no video of the incident.
Stuff is dramatically escalating, and it’s presumably about to get much much worse.
Why do you see it as divisive to point out how many more victims there have been? If your immediate reaction to this comic was to get defensive, I think you should take a minute and do some introspection.
It’s more the implication that the white victims shouldn’t matter and people shouldn’t be upset because the victims happened to be white this time.
While also conveniently ignoring the fact that people were already upset about ICE violence even before they killed white people…
Nowhere does the comic say that though?
The subtext is glaringly obvious, and pretending not to see it is disingenuous at best.
Nowhere does the comic say that any victim doesn’t matter. Nowhere does the comic say you shouldn’t be upset. Quite the opposite, the comic says you should’ve been upset a long time ago.
I think the fact that you’re reading the most aggressive interpretation you can think of into it in order to find an excuse to be defensive says more about yourself than it does about the comic.
Except for the simple fact that a lot of people already have been upset for a long time.
The comic assumes that people are just now getting upset. If that’s your take every time a victim happens to be white, then that says more about you than it does about me.
Sure, some people have been upset already. But the difference in volume before and after the most recent killings shows that quite a lot of people are just now getting upset. If that isn’t you, good, but then why are you acting like this comic is a personal attack on you?
If pointing out a racial bias is all it takes to make some people give up, then… that sounds like a pretty big issue idk
Nice try twisting my words.
Yes, you are right that we all should have been up in arms sooner, but we weren’t. It sucks. And here we are now, fighting the same fight; can we all agree who the real enemy is and focus on that for the moment?
Why pretend people weren’t already upset about ICE before they killed Good and Pretti? Why feed this person’s delusions that white people didn’t care before this?
That’s kind of insulting to all the people (yes, white people included) who have been protesting and actively resisting since this whole thing started, don’t you think?
Am I pretending that?
Good and Pretti themselves were both white frontline protesters, among many others who have been at it for a long time. They’re role models.
Whatever reading comprehension disaster is going on in this comment section is something else
If you aren’t arguing that white people have only begun protesting/caring about things now because they think it affects them, then your comic does not make its point clearly.
In any case, after double-checking, two of the non-white people you directly point out as shot and killed by ICE were undocumented. I’m not actually sure one was even shot since skimming a few sources indicates he fell off a roof and died from that during a raid. Obviously being undocumented doesn’t justify getting killed, but that’s another difference (citizen vs. undocumented noncitizen) between Good and Pretti that you’ve chosen to ignore in favor of solely basing your comic on them being white or not.
Also, AFAIK the Porter incident doesn’t have video footage (can’t remember if the others do either). The Good and Pretti cases have significant footage, so it’s particularly easy to spread clips over social media.
Oddly enough, you just contradicted your own message and then blamed it on my reading comprehension. Way to go.
Maybe try examining how your comic reflects on people like Good and Pretti, who you yourself describe as white frontline protestors, and who gave their lives while protesting against what’s going on.
Maybe don’t paint an entire race of people with a broad brush, and then people won’t call you racist.
Well good, now that you’re focused on the moment, it’s a perfect time to remind you (or make you aware) that ICE actually murdered many more people than most think, that there are thousands of people “lost in the system” that ICE can’t track and whose lawyers and families can’t find, and that the way the agency operates is a systemic issue that has existed for over a decade, long before the recent escalations.
Now you know the actual scope of your enemy: defunding them isn’t enough, that shit needs to be pulled by the roots and dismantled piece by piece until there’s not a trace of them left. If it’s not done all the way through, it won’t end with Trump (after all it continued operating and killing under Biden). If people only protest the public murders instead of the very existence of ICE and their concentration camp system well… the camps will still be there.
See, that’s exactly what I’m doing. Making sure we’re fighting the same fight, and understanding who the enemy really is.
I love how badly you’re getting ratio’d.
Take this opportunity for self reflection.
This comment section is the only platform on which I’m being ratio’d fwiw.
Been making satire long enough to not care much when people get mad, I stand firmly by the things I write.
Might be an indication that this audience thinks more deeply about what you’re implying. Which 100% tracks with my experience on every social media platform compared to Lemmy.
The Fediverse suffers from extreme whiteness, that’s all there is to it.
I think that’s a better explanation when comparing the nature/contents of the conversations it’s spawning on different platforms.
Not the first time I’m noticing it either.
You would have absolutely no fucking way of knowing that is true. Go ahead, keep attacking people you pretend are your allies. Definitely what’s needed now.
These incidents are totally only getting attention because of race and Lemmy is the most racist. Totally nothing to do with the other killings you list not being on video. Totally not that /s
You talk as if whiteness is a disease, and then you act all self-righteous when people treat you like you’re being a bigot?
You’re doing so much to stop ICE by telling people they shouldn’t care about these incidents simply because the victims were white.
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This is blatantly racist, what the hell is wrong with you?
I don’t think you know what satire is
the use of humour, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people’s stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.
I doubt anything can be more satirical than making a comic that portrays in an exaggerated way some people’s blind spot for racial issues until they affect them personally in the context of contemporary politics.
Guessing your definition is “things I agree with are satire and things that upset me aren’t” :)
The only satire you seem to produce is how you try to defend your work.
Please check which of these you think your comic is
[ ] humour [ ] irony [ ] exaggeration [ ] ridicule
I’m not sure why you think I’m upset. If I’m upset by anything its you whining about a handful of American deaths while Israel is committing a genocide. Why are you so racially biased?
Reading comprehender.
Is it not a racial bias when you say “People shouldn’t care about this because the victims were white this time.”
If people are upset about ICE violence, why break the momentum and sow division simply because the victims weren’t POCs? What are you trying to accomplish?
Yep.
People should’ve already been angry. But better late than never.
Yeah. Memes like this are making the perfect the enemy of the good. Is there an issue? Sure. Is this the right time for that issue? I’m not so sure about that one.
This is an opportunity to build solidarity that lasts beyond this crisis, which will be vital in preventing the next one, as well as in destroying the systems of oppression that got us here in the first place.
I don’t believe there’s a bad time to be pointing out racial bias.
The movement is barely getting started, having a proper sense of scale by getting the full picture of ICE’s death toll only makes it more unbearable, that should make the movement more motivated, not less.
When it discourages people acting for change from fear or guilt around racism. It seems like a purposefully timed red herring.
how tf is saying you should’ve been mad sooner ‘discouraging’ being mad now? the only discouragement here is you tools saying - yet again, for the infinite time - that it’s ‘not the right time’ to discuss racism.
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The other side of this coin is:
Why weren’t you speaking out about this two weeks ago? Why wait till people are outraged and moving toward taking action to say “Sure, you guys are all up in arms when it’s a white person…”
Like I said, it’s always time, except for right when people are about to fight back and you kill enthusiasm and momentum. This seems so obvious I don’t understand how you don’t understand, and it makes me think you are right wing troll. Because if you truly care about race equality, why choose now. The fight that might come would benefit EVERYONE who isn’t a racist, rich, white person.
The answer should be obvious; it’s shame. Shame alters peoples perception of themselves and their role in a larger populace. You probably don’t want to diminish their capacity to act, as that will yield less effective action overall.
“People getting upset when white people are murdered is racial bias” Get fucked.
Don’t act like people are demotivated by the scale of the violence. People are demotivated because you’re calling them racist for being upset when the victims happened to be white, when chances are these same people were already upset even before white people were murdered.
Stop making up this imaginary scenario in which white people never cared until the violence was done against a white person. You’re ignoring the countless efforts that white people have made previously for racial justice movements, all the white people who supported BLM, and all the white people who have been out protesting against ICE since even before they murdered Renee Good.
Damn you mad.
Done putting absurd words in my mouth anytime soon or do you have a few more comments like that left in you?
The words truly are absurd, but they’re a direct paraphrase of your message. Self-conscious wolves moment.
But go ahead and ignore the part about facts that directly contradict your claims. It wouldn’t be the internet if you couldn’t conveniently ignore all the evidence that says you should re-examine your position.
I’m not sure you’re allowed to discuss the concept of self-awareness.
That’s what a fascist would say.
People were already angry. Why is everyone acting like people are just now suddenly getting upset?
If everyone’s effort gets erased every time a white person is made a victim, and suddenly we can’t be upset anymore because a victim happened to be white, then what are we truly accomplishing?
What’s the real message behind this post?
That’s pretty much what I mean.
This post is insinuating that a number of the people upset now should have been upset when it wasn’t white people dying.
And I agree. Many of us were already upset.
But making that point this way is unhelpful. It feels like potentially a way to divide those who are trying to resist. “I was angry before it was mainstream, you new protesters are racists.”
Which could very well not be the intention of the person making the point. They could be trying to simply say, “Understand that people had already been killed, and if you knew that and weren’t angry, be better” or something.
But it is so incredibly easy to make people in big tents infight and focus on idealogical purity rather than uniting to fight the opposition. And it’s something we need to avoid if we want to be successful.
When it comes to fighting fascism, my enemy’s enemy is my friend.
So on the assumption that this comic was posted in good faith, I think merciful correction or gentle disagreement is more useful.
You’re definitely right about that, but they’re just gonna double down on calling our arguments strawmen and digging in their heels, when in reality they’re the ones making racist strawmen…
Lemmings gonna lem, I guess? 🤷♀️
“Uh Oh people seem to be uniting in solidarity. Guess we better find a way to tear them apart!”
OP probably.
let op vent. Black and brown people have every fucking right to be pissed at the sudden shift from the daily lackadaisical attitude of white people while black and brown people have been lynched on streets for decades for fighting for your rights. When black and brown people win, white people win. When black and brown people lose, white people keep on goin. White people are suddenly inconvenienced at the ideo that they no longer have a second amendment. Welcome to the daily lives of black and brown people you have been unaware of until now since white people are finally rejecting their capital W Whiteness.
Previous years white people put up a black avatar on instagram for george floyd and brianna taylor. Now theyre willing to die when its white people.
Major shift in attitude from the whites and yes its about damn time white people woke up to the violence. Keep putting your bodies in the front though and do some good
Gourmet comment.
It’s good to feel heard in the sea of fragile whiteness on display in this comment section.
Have a beautiful day.
propagandist.
Calling people you imagine to be enemies fragile doesn’t make them fragile, and may not even make them your enemies. Case in point.
I get it, but if this is the line for somebody, then that person is finally angry at the right people for the right reasons. You can tell them off and bicker amongst yourselves after its over. Just be glad theyre finally on the right side for now.
The best ‘convert’ is the one that got there on their own. They’re already primed to believe us when we warn next time.
We do harm by mocking the leopards-ate-my-face crowd when they finally catch on. Even if it is cathartic.
There’s room to tell them “Oh that thing we warned you about actually happened? maybe we weren’t crazy”, but we should then welcome them in and guide them instead of a rude “I told ya so” and no empathy.
Exactly. As the ol’ saying goes: “the Right looks for converts, the Left looks for traitors.” We need to change that.
The reason the far right has grown so much is because of how they bring people into the fold. “oh, you were one of them libtards, but now you support our one true god Donald J Trump? Hell yeah brother, welcome to the side of the patriots!!11!1!” vs. “oh you voted for Trump, but now you hate ICE? We warned you this would happen, fuck you Trump voter!”
I’ve been saying this for fucking ages. Thanks for posting it, it’s nice to see.
You’re not on “the right side of history” if you’re just driving people to the fascist right with your rhetoric.
How many of those were captured on video? From multiple angles?
We don’t have to pretend America doesn’t have a racism problem to know that rhetoric like this is not well intentioned.
Minneapolis: Check.
On video: Check.
Massive uproar: Check.
White victim: Nope.
George Floyd’s death shows that what matters is that it happened in front of witnesses who were recording on video, not the colour of the victims’ skin.
Definitely for the most part. There’s certainly a race component but the narrative that it’s only that is just divisive bullshit.
Sure. Racism will always be a factor.
As the threat of violent confrontation looms, it’s important to have as many people on your side as possible. It’s also important to demoralize those who remain on the side of fascism. It’s especially useful to have people in the armed forces, in the police, even in ICE, who can see that what’s happening is wrong. Maybe being Nazis, destroying democracy and murdering innocent civilians wasn’t what they thought they signed up for. Even so, some of those people are going to be racists. If the sight of people getting murdered has a greater effect when they are white, that sucks. But if it works, it works.
This is wildly reductive.
So you respond by being reductive. Great job.
He’s basically saying “I don’t need your permission to make strawman arguments” almost as if he realizes he’s not arguing in good faith…
Indistinguishable from Russian propaganda to agitate for class division and disrupt solidarity. Fuck outta here with this self-righteous, tone-deaf slopaganda.
It would be naive to think race isn’t a factor here, but documentation of the crime is also a huge portion of it as well. I have seen the murder of Renee Good from at least 3 different angles, and Alex Pretti from 4, including the exact moment they shot him in the back. There are certainly a lot of Americans that would be more likely to justify this if they had been PoC, but there was also a lot of national outrage over Eric Garner and George Floyd because of how heavily documented those murders were.
I feel like this is super accurate. Of course its a factor but like all things race doesn’t exist in a vacuum. There are other major contributing factors at play and I like this comment.
And the outrage over Floyd was in the same city and erupted even more aggressively. The citizens are being more strategic and thoughtful in their dissent this time so it may be more learning than a difference in specific response. While race does change the narrative you’re very right that the visibility of the incident seems to be a major factor in the outrage and bridging of the action-intention gap.
This is true, but detracts from the cause at the moment
Lots of people, myself included, have been angry about this for awhile now. But also, deaths in 25 were more than twice as high than the next highest listed. And 27 shootings 3 fatalities just in this year, and January isn’t even over. Yeah, even more people are obviously going to be angry.
…but… …what about infighting? How are we supposed to do that if we think like this?
I don’t understand your point.
It should have had /s, apologies. I’m indirecly saying you have a very reasonable viewpoint.
They’re being sarcastic
Cheap joke with no added value besides demoralizing and dividing the good side. This is not the way.
Reflecting on past mistakes isn’t necessarily demoralizing, realizing that this isnt a new thing is good for future analysis. Hopefully everyone will come out too when the following George Floyd gets inevitably murdered
That’s a bad example precisely because people did come out for George Floyd. What all these cases have in common is video evidence. A next one should not be acceptable, that’s a defeating attitude right there.
George Floyd was famously a movement for Black Lives Matter, and there was no suggestion of general strike
There was also no absolute systemic instability at that point. the seeds of it were there, but there was still hope to change the system.
There was hope to change the system until they started killing white people, suddenly reform is out of the question. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad you reached that conclusion, but some people did decades ago already, and it’s good to follow the advice of those who got to the right conclusion before you
I get your perspective. I just don’t agree. The response has depended on good documentation, and clear innocence. Even Good didn’t inspire this kind of response. Pretti is someone who clearly had the capacity to do harm, being armed, and yet didn’t even draw. He couldn’t even vaguely be conceive of as “armed”, unlike Good (regardless of how much of a stretch that was). And Pretti was filmed from multiple angles by people who were, by the way, organized and galvanized due to events involving Floyd, Garcia, and Martinez.
Aside from that - I knew where this was going when dubya hit office. But I understand people trying their best to make things work, and knew it would take a lot to get the ball rolling, particularly with the naive bent on the “left”. …and I understand that people of any color will believe whatever fits their world view. If they’re wrong (and we all are, to some degree), some are lucky enough to have a willingness to grow, or to have that world view break. The rest live in their assumptions and pay the psychological and physical price for their views until they’re dust.
Good luck out there.
“no go back to fighting each other”
Fuck out of here you propagandist bitch
Some of it is a function of media. Media typically doesn’t cover when non-white people get murdered. Some of it is the media reflecting the racism of its viewers. Some of it is being caught on video and leaving less room for doubt (and the media deciding to show the videos). There’s also been protests and action being taken by normal citizens before these white people got killed (these white people were killed doing it, after all).
History time.
After the Kent State shootings, a lot of people stepped away from activism because they realized that marching could get them killed.
I’d say the difference right now is that Kent state came out of nowhere; there’d been plenty of marches before with no problem. Trump has been tearing down the rule of law for a decade now.
Part of the reason we are seeing such an active protest movement now is that ICE is doing its thing in Minneapolis, which was able to mobilize the existing activist network that was created as a result of the police murder of notable
whiteblack person George Floyd. This murder was national news and led to police reform in a bunch of states.When notable
whiteSalvadorian person Kilmar Abrego Garcia was illegal deported to a foreign torture prison, there was nation wide protest, with Senate Chris Van Hollen traveling to El Salvador. This nationwide protest movement eventually secured his release.
