Walton Goggins, who plays “the Ghoul” on the show, also said he was “not interested” in playing the game. Thought it would fuck up his method or whatever. I personally think these guys don’t know what they’re missing. It just seems like the adult thing to them to say pshaw to a video game. If they were in a movie that was based on a book, I bet they wouldn’t brag about how they’re “not interested” in reading it.
Lots of people don’t play video games. Just like lots of people don’t consume mass media. People can do what they like with their time, and that’s just fine. I enjoy video games and reading books, others would rather spend time playing sports, skiing down mountains, learning to fly, whatever the fudge they want. I would rather play retro games than most new games too. That’s what I like, but everyone should do the things they like, until it starts fucking with other people’s shit.
I’m not out here saying everyone should be forced to play video games, or that people shouldn’t have the freedom to determine how to use their time.
Just that it is closed-minded to ignore them categorically. Comics get the same short shrift very often. I consider games and comics media forms, no different than movies or books. I don’t say that lightly: my college degree is in English Literature so I hold books in high esteem. And I don’t have any respect for dismissing an entire media form, especially with the scale and depth that games have gotten to now, and their prominence in popular culture. When a video game is literally paying Mr. Goggin’s salary, you might think he’d at least get curious.
Would you say that lots of people don’t read books and that’s just fine? Maybe you would. I would say that’s probably one of the big things that’s wrong with he world.
… Is it really that confusing that an actor / voice actor can just be like, good at their job, and not be super involved in other things related to doing that job?
Like uh, every mocap actor ever. For every game with advanced animations. Every professional martial artist, dancer, stunt actor, gymnast, etc.
… Who would think they are necessarily all super duper into video games?
How about people who get face scanned or body scanned? Or people who compose music that goes into games, or sing, or perform the music?
… why would they all be super duper video game dorks?
People need to be a lot more tolerant of others not sharing their interests.
my favorite is when people do share an interest, but not in the same way.
i like gaming and cycling… but a lot of gamers and cyclists are hyper territorial about their specific genre they like, and think other genres are stupid/wrong/bad. i play a variety of games, and it never fails that someone hones in on that I played COD (I must be a fake gamer dude bro), or a JRPG (I must be an anime nerd) and then makes a massive generalization based on that one game I played. I also have like 6 bikes and do lots of different kinds of riding and people fixate on the one they don’t like or have stupid stereotypes about and then get really accusatory about it. like owning a road bikes makes me one stereotype, owning a DH bike makes me another, and then they get super double mad at you for because they often regard these as contradictory boxes, only one of which you must fit in.
Shit is so weird. they also do it with identity now. I’m so sick of being told what I have to enjoy/not enjoy because of my skin color or my sex. i love to cook and clean and keep my place neat, but most women I meet think it means I’m latently homosexual because of that because in their mind straight men can’t cook or clean, only gay men can.
I feel that, man, so very much feel that.
rambling thoughts encapsulated
I play a … wide and varied amount of video game genres, and… yeah, a lot of people tend to just stick to one, or a few, and… when I make comparisons between their favorite genre, and another that is actually similar is significant ways, or like, has a fundamentally similar core mechanic, but handles it in a different way…
… usually this causes a freak out.
You can very rarely get a super fan to admit that such similarities exist, and you can also rarely get them to actually define the things that they say make one kind of game better, or preferable to another kind of game.
I almost never start those kinds of discussions, but people like that can almost never finish them, they just tie themselves in knots to preserve some undefinable way that their fav game / genre is better or truly unique.
I got no problem with people having preferences, I hate people who make broad claims that are just objectively not true, not the case…
And then again, also yes with the sort of ‘you’re not allowed to like these two kinds of things I think are mutually exclusive for inexplicable reasons’ thing.
Fucking hell. Like, I actually studied Karate for a decade, I’m not like a world champion or a great top tier fighter… but I do know a little bit of what I’m talking about when I try to describe how the basic mechanics/kinematics of say, a fighting game that is at least grounded in realism should work.
But nope, with so many people, I’m basically just not allowed to know how to code and also know how to throw a punch, at the same time.
Just doesn’t compute for them, even though these are the same kind of people who will swoon over a more famous person with a similarly mixed set of skills.
Oh well, normies gonna be normies.
Too many out here trying to limit the scope of the human experience. Not a lot of ‘getting it’ going on lately.
Personally I’m all for gaming going back to being an actual niche hobby at this point… maybe that’s half im getting old and cranky, and half 'dear god this fucking industry and its fucking “fans” '.
fans can’t understand that something so pivot to their life was so trivial to someone else.
i feel this way about sports. i just don’t care, i might pay attention if my local team is in the playoffs. most sports fans thing i’m an asshole and take personal offense to my lack of interest in sports.
it was especially bad in my working class home down where sports was basically a religion, so much so teachers would require you to go to sports games to get credit for class. it was absurd.
I meant the whole thing as a kind of rhetorical excercise, yes, I do understand why fans be doing fan stuff, haha!
I’ve been that way about a few things myself, I guess I am just trying to… offer a perspective that is hopefully a bit more grounded, a missive that a fan could read and maybe go… ‘oh, im actually the comparatively weird one here’.
Not that theres anything inherently wrong with a ‘weird’ super fan… its just that if you lack self awareness of that, silly and stupid things begin to happen very fast.
But also yes dear god sports bros.
They fall into this just the same, many cannot concieve that a person could just not care about sports, as if that makes you a bad person.
But see again how its the lacking self awareness that they are fans that is the problem, it grows into a judgemental myopia.
People just want other people to like the things they like. Especially cool talented people. So they ask about it. It’s not really weird or anything.
Wait what?
Who is … asking… huh?
Yeah, its totally normal to ask people if they share interests that you do.
… its not normal to expect that everyone else will.
Its not … reasonable, meaning, grounded in reality, to expect that like, every actor in a show for an IP is going to be obsessed with all things connected to that IP.
Media generally walks a line between being a geuinely expressive creative output… and being a mass produced product manufactured for a known market demographic.
The levels of enthusiasm and professionalism can vary wildly over everyone involved in that process.
Expecting Pearlman to be an avid Fallout player is like expecting the person in the Goofy suit at DisneyLand to themselves be a Disney Bounder, or whatever the term is.
That’s the point I’m trying to make.
Things like this, to some people, are just their day job.
Happy to be a part of it, but not… personally interested in also being a customer/consumer/partaker/etc.
I don’t really appreciate the anti-literate posturing of this cast. Imagine the cast of Lord of the Rings saying they don’t feel the need to engage with the text. Just rich people doing anti-intellectualism to my eyes.
It’s a video game, they aren’t for everyone.
If the fans are happy then they are happy, they dont base success of their job on similarity to the video game.
If you want examples of actors who cared we have both the Halo and Witcher series. While its noble that both leads did everything they could to prevent the show runners from dragging both shows into the ground, neither were successful.
Perhaps if the Fallout series was poorly received, they would consider playing the games so they could attempt to help fix the show.
why? its line reading. they can do it without any context of the story.
If i remember right, Bethesda often gives their VAs the lines in alphabetical order. Thats why they sometimes sound so out of place. So even in the game they do that. Im an actor and definitely undrrstand Waltons perspective. I do love fallout though
(I haven’t watched it yet, but I’m a huge fan of the games [well some of the games, just a regular fan of the others… but still the lore is good.])
Tbh there’s some truth in your words, but I can’t help feel that
adaptionis usually better when made by fans. I suppose as long as the writers and directors are at least fans of whatever OG they’re adapting (in this case fallout, though also ideally it’d be written by like Chris Avellone and others who worked on the actual games), the actors don’t have to be, though it couldn’t hurt.Though that said, if someone is just right for the job, it doesn’t matter if they’re a fan or not, especially if the director/writers are.
Tuna, on white, no crust, and a side of $8,000
“I’m not a gamer,” Perlman says in the interview. “I wouldn’t know how to put a game—I wouldn’t know which game goes into which piece of hardware. I’ve never played any of the games. The whole Fallout thing is a mystery to me.”
Ya, not everyone is going to be into video games. For someone who just does some voice work, that seems pretty reasonable.
This was my same feeling when someone posted a similar quote by Goggins. I fucking love fallout, and everything fromsoft, but those aren’t for all gamers, and games aren’t for everyone.
Let people live their lives how they want.
Hell, I’m not even into all of the games. Fallout shelter specifically. But I’ve also never played factions, brotherhood of steel, 1, 2 or 76. I used to build cranes for a living, but I’m not some crane enthusiast, nor do I have a license to use one.
It’s weird these actors keep getting asked those questions. It’s like the interviewers are even more oblivious than the super fans. No, Natalie Portman isn’t some huge fan of thor. But she is a fan of being housed and eating tiny amounts of food.
its why the show is so cool now my dad whose never played fallout can enjoy fallout with me
While the show absolutely hits it out the park as far as nailing the feel of it, the immersion will not be complete for me until there is one absolutely insane interaction. Like running into some nightkin that lost their stealthboys, or a tree asking you for a sex therapist.
I wasn’t sold on the series until the guy wiped his dick on the curtain early in season one.
the show just had FISTO on it. its already peaked in insane interactions
No fucking way!
I haven’t seen any of season 2 yet but now I am fucking pumped!
Settle down, it’s a VERY small scene.
Awww :(
Could at least watch a video on it
I think that depends on how big their role is in something. If an actor is just reading a monologue or a few lines as part of narration, it’s probably not worth the time. For a major role which will interact with the world and lore, I’d agree that some background work would be useful to understand who the character is and what their place in the world is. Though, at some level, people are people regardless of their specific situations. If you understand (or build) their motivations in a reasonable way, then their actions and reactions can be understood by them reacting to the world around them in expected ways. Sure, some larger than life people might react in very specific ways, and a different upbringing or training can shape how one reacts, but it’s still going to be about understanding that character’s motivations.
For what reason? Actors just do their jobs like anyone else, doesn’t mean they need to be interested in the material themselves. Plenty of actors don’t watch everything they’re in
Anthony Hopkins doesn’t own a TV or a computer, and has never seen his own work.
I’d even argue the opposite. I think when actors are fans of the stuff they work on it changes their approach, and not always for the better.
Many of the actors on Star Trek series in the 90s (TNG, DS9, VOY) were not actually Star Trek fans, hadn’t watched the show (I think some hadn’t even heard of it before hearing about the audition opportunity), and just approached their roles as actors approach any other parts. They said in hindsight that if they were fans of the show and realized how popular it was they’d be too nervous to play their characters effectively.
Now it sounds totally unfathomable that you’d be able to find actors who didn’t know anything about Star Trek!
I’d actually prefer if they were fans so they can push back on bullshit their character wouldn’t do. Henry Cavill is a huge Witcher fan and he absolutely killed it as geralt, and when he left the series over creative differences, I knew it wouldn’t be worth watching anymore. Too many directors think they can diverge from the source material and not piss people off.
I mean obviously it’s best if the actual creator is involved in the process, but dedicated fans are a good guardrail too.
That makes sense for characters in shows or movies adapted from books or games or existing franchises with established fandoms. My comment pertains to new characters that aren’t established like that, so actors have the job of developing the character themselves rather than conforming to a pre-existing character.
These are very different skillsets for an actor and I would consider it a casting mistake to choose an actor who specializes in one style to play a role meant for the other, and vice versa.
Have you ever been ZERO percent interested in something been involved in, as popular and well known as fallout? Even after knowing how big it got, even if it was only $40, I would have at least brushed up on wtf I am now involved with.
The intro they speak of is the phrase “War. War never changes”. That article could have been a single paragraph.
His turns in Fallout are especially interesting because they’re his most iconic videogame work, and yet it’s only four simple words: “War. War never changes.” The intro to each Fallout game spins off differently from there, but those four words are an essential pillar of the series, every bit as thematically foundational as power armor or Nuka Cola.
I’m so jaded these days I can see a writer doing a few paragraphs, and asking an LLM to fluff it up.
I’m quite sure the “writer” of this article earned less than $40 + a sandwich for it.
I mean, he says more than just the single phrase.
He narrates the entire intro and outro, all of its possible variants, various lines for ways you can die, etc, for the original Fallout.
Here’s the actual whole intro:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=VvRW46pyKCY
(Pearlman’s part starts at about 1:35)
War. War never changes.
The Romans waged war to gather slaves and wealth.
Spain built an empire from its lust for gold and territory.
Hitler shaped a battered Germany into an economic superpower.
But war never changes.
In the 21st century, war was still waged over the resources that could be acquired. Only this time, the spoils of war were also its weapons: petroleum and uranium. For these resources, China would invade Alaska, the US would annex Canada, and the European Commonwealth would dissolve into quarreling, bickering nation-states, bent on controlling the last remaining resources on Earth.
In 2077, the storm of world war had come again. In two brief hours, most of the planet was reduced to cinders. And from the ashes of nuclear devastation, a new civilization would struggle to arise.
A few were able to reach the relative safety of the large underground Vaults. Your family was part of that group that entered Vault Thirteen. Imprisoned safely behind the large Vault door, under a mountain of stone, a generation has lived without knowledge of the outside world.
Life in the Vault is about to change.
Oh, I see. I stand corrected.
Hey no prob!
Happy to uh… spread the gospel of atom, so to speak, hah!
But uh yeah, I believe we both agree that this a slop article… anybody could basically just go to the Fallout wikia, and… read it… for much more information, structured in a much more useful way.
This article is basically low effort celebrity tabloid fluff, that is mostly just snippets of other articles jammed together… we’re getting an article like this because season 2 of the canon destroying Fallout TV show is now airing/out, so its a trending topic to try and clickbait.
Writers were turning sentences into full articles long before LLMs, though
True, but that at least took some time and effort. Now the production of slop has been automated.
On the upside, it’s probably better written than the hideous fluff that used to plague articles. AI is better at slop than humans, at the very least.
I want $40 and a sandwich
You don’t wanna know what I’d do for a fancy sandwich that someone else made, right now. By fancy, I mean not just basic meat cheese and bread. I want lettuce, tomato, onion, etc. and we all know sandwiches taste better when you didn’t make it yourself.
You didn’t say the 4 words, though.
I am Ron Perlman?
Then, according to this article, you have $40 and a sandwich. We did it.
I am Ron Perlman I am Ron Perlman I am Ron Perlman I am Ron Perlman I am Ron Perlman I am Ron Perlman I am Ron Perlman I am Ron Perlman I am Ron Perlman I am Ron Perlman I am Ron Perlman I am Ron Perlman I am Ron Perlman I am Ron Perlman I am Ron Perlman.
There, now I can afford 2 or 3 bags of groceries
Just do us an iconic and eternal art piece and we might be able to come up with $30 and a hotdog.
I want $40 and a sandwich
Only after the last tree has been cut down / Only after the last river has been poisoned / Only after the last fish has been caught / Then will you find that money cannot be eaten.
I don’t recommend $40 in a sandwich.
Money can be exchanged for goods and services
It wasn’t serious
And my Simpsons quote was?
I was blessed/cursed by ignorance.
Ron Perlman is a gift, even if he isn’t a gamer 🙏
There quiet of few of his movies that I enjoy even ones that are considered not very good b-movies.
Have never thought of to see a movie for him but he’s always done great work from what I recall, usually acts quite proficient and such. Plus no real bad quotes or scandals so always thought he was pretty good for that too. Unless I missed something which happens.
Think the only random movie I saw him in was Lost City of Children, but it’s been almost 30 years now so can’t even recall what it was about. Just my roommate at the time enjoyed it so we watched it once or twice. I should watch it again.
City of Lost Children is Great!
One random one with him that I like (even though it’s not a great movie) is the Desperation, based on the Stephen King novel.
Article does not specify what kind of sandwich. Disappointed.
Molerat and tato.
I didn’t realise Pearlman voiced the intro.
I didn’t realise Pearlman voiced the intro.
According to the video, neither did Perlman:
A year and a half later, I get a call, ‘Hey, you remember Fallout?’ No.
I’m pretty sure that he did more than just the into, though. There’s a bunch of narration in, for example, the Fallout: New Vegas ending covering what happens to all the characters and factions depending upon the decisions you made, and I’m pretty sure that that’s the same narrator.
goes looking
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Ron_Perlman
Perlman narrated the following cutscenes in the Fallout games listed below. The intro narration in each of these games starts with the iconic line, “War. War never changes.” He did not narrate Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel or Fallout 4, though he did voice a prominent character (the television newscaster) in Fallout 4’s prologue and appeared in its first trailer.
- Fallout intro
- Death messages
- Fallout endings
- Fallout 2 intro
- Fallout 2 endings
- Fallout Tactics intro
- Fallout Tactics chapter endings
- Fallout Tactics endings
- Fallout 3 intro
- Fallout 3 endings
- Fallout: New Vegas intro
- Fallout: New Vegas endings
- Fallout 76 intro
Hey I was gonna make that list but you already did.
Yeah, Pearlman did more than just the one line, he’s been a recurring staple of the series, as its narrator, has said a whole lot more than just ‘War never changes.’
I guess this is an almost totally random tangent, but:
Leonard Nimoy voiced… I think every spoken line in Civilization 4.
So yeah, when you’re playing Civ 4, Spock is narrating it to you, all the tooltips, tech discovery blurbs, etc.
When I played Civ 4 , I haven’t watched any TOS. He fucking KILLED it with those lines. Even the funny ones.
I did know him as spock, but had’t seen any eps of TOS. I only saw one, the tribbles one, and a few tos films (Khan, Whales, Generations) this past year
Definitely give all of TOS a watch if you are able.
Theres really no other way to explain it than as a seminal and groundbreaking series, that laid the foundation for… so many things that came after it, were inspired by it.
… like cellphones, for example.
Its … not high octane. Its pretty rough around some modern cultural edges, most notably sex/gender roles. Its… of hilariously low production value compared to so much of more modern media. A lot of it is goofy as fuck, even within its own world.
… but its still incredible. It still did things that nobody else had ever done before, and … some of those things still hold up as radical, even today.
The uh, hah, a lot of the TOS films are … kinda still to this day have lets say ‘mixed’ reception at best.
Its a show about a crew, who goes on missions, on basically a 5 year tour of duty. It really only works properly with the kind of regular, consistent exposure you get from a TV series, to slowly really show you the characters, as if you’re stuck aboard with 'em, getting annoyed or amused by their various quirks and characteristics.
… at its best, its a show about a possible way of life, a way of being, of cooperating with strange people and peoples toward mutually beneficial outcomes.
I gotta stop myself from rambling.
Is it the best show you’re ever gonna have watched? … Eh, maybe, probably not.
But… I feel like you actually can’t understand US cultural history properly if you haven’t seen it.
… we used to actually have a vision of a better future. Hope.
In… times such as we now live… that should never be forgotten.
(The tribbles episode is pretty cute and fun though, eh?)
Not all the end game New Vegas lines are Perlman, he does the ones pertaining to the Courier, but prominent characters in certain factions/towns do the VO for a lot of the end game slides depending on your actions.
Me neither. It always sounded like Robert Beltran, Chakotay on Star Trek Voyager.
It always reminded me of Slade from Teen Titans who I just now realized was played by Ron Pearlman
it always reminded me of charlie chaplin.
Also, oddly enough, played by Ron Perlman.
What kind of sandwich?
thanks for your service
…What kind of sandwich?
I can hear it now.
