• blind3rdeye@lemm.ee
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    11 months ago

    It’s too late to avoid problems; but it’s certainly not too late to take action. This is not a binary yes / no or climate change / no climate change situation. It’s a continuum. We can’t avoid it completely, but the longer we delay action the worse it gets. There is still a lot of room for it to get worse. So reducing emissions is more important now than it has even been, even if some problems are unavoidable.

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      So reducing emissions is more important now than it has even been

      Middle managers : “Come back to working in the office”

      Us: ”we work on computers and can easily work from home and have done so for years now being very productive without adding to the emissions of the road use”

      Middle managers: “Fuck the earth. I don’t feel like my job is valid unless you’re here so I can micromanage you”

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      I like to frame it as, even if you can’t avoid crashing into a wall, it still makes a huge difference whether you do it with a 120km/h, 70km/h or 20km/h.

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      11 months ago

      Well, unfortunately we are looking at the likely scenario of cascading ecosystem failures, quickly leading to most humans on earth starving to death.

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    11 months ago

    This is a leadership problem. The problem really does need to be solved at the top.

    The reality is most working class cannot just stop, unless handed a practical alternative because stopping would mean not going to work, not earning income, and being rendered homeless. Likely living in their car first which would put oil consumption right back in play.

    Whatever alternative you’re thinking of that the working class might be able to achieve as an individual probably has a buy-in cost. Given the even greater number of folks living paycheck to paycheck in the last two years, that buy-in isn’t a plausible ask.

    Sucks. But here we are. Find a cost free (to the working class individual) solution that doesn’t interrupt the 5-6 day/wk work schedule or require any extra costs or moving and you’ll solve it. Until then, working class folks are going to do what they must to keep the lights on and the water running, and that’s usually going to be commuting to work in a gas consuming vehicle. As such, the solution needs to come from the top, not the bottom.

    Earnest question. Is there enough lithium on the planet to turn around every vehicle in the United States to electric? Assume infrastructure for charging. Even then, do we even have the lithium, cobalt, manganese, nickel, and graphite or whatever else electric vehicle batteries need for it?

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      11 months ago

      What I’m thinking the working class can do is protest, civil disruption, direct action, unionisation, labour strikes, and worker action.

      Labour is entitled to all it creates.

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        Time is often the ultimate commodity. It’s why you see some of the poorest folks grabbing fast food. No time for groceries or cooking in earnest.

        How do you fit time for all of what you just said into that work/life schedule?

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    11 months ago

    It’s a common misconception that the planet as a life bearing vessel is in danger - it is not. It’s just that human civilization is probably fucked (and thousands of other species).

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    11 months ago

    Mildly interesting: this scene in the meme is actually about accidentally putting spicy pepperoni in the kids eyes.

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      Maximum standby power draw is already required to be lower than 1W for non-networked devices in the EU. My entire house has an idle consumption of ~150W (incl. fridge/freezer). I know that seems like a lot when every household uses that, but effort/reward-wise, this is not a very efficient place to optimize. Regulating industry is a much better place with significantly higher potential savings.

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          Yes our total power consumption is up to 25%, our idle consumption is a negligible part of that 25%, and absolutely dwarfed by our active consumption. If you want to make a difference, start working on reducing your active power consumption instead, that’s where our best contributions towards lower energy usage can be done.

          By targeting the idle consumption specifically, you’re penny pinching to make yourself feel better without doing an effort.

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      I’d imagine animal rights activists would be pretty against the use of gorillas to make different devices solar capabilities

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      It’s better for them to ne on the grid instead of each having their own panel and battery. It’s more efficient material-vise, and they would still need to be connected to the grid.

      I’d put panels on all roofs, though.

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      Guerilla solar will not & cannot take off. Community solar, however, yes. A “power co-op” where communities / towns / neighborhoods can pool power gen, storage, and use. Forming a small grid of their own that sips from the larger grid if needed.

      Vampire devices are largely irrelevant, but always worth knowing which of your devices draws power. My 3d printer just sitting, but on, draws 10w. Off, it draws <1w or lower. My unplugged phone charger? Less than 0.1w. Is this larger than 0? Yep, is it enough to matter, no, not really. Being extremely pessimistic, we can say that all powered off devices plugged in vamp about 1w of power. At worst, my whole house would waste about 30wH. Over a day, that’s 720wH. A week is 5kwH, 20kwH/month, 241kwH a year. An average home for my homes size & area uses 12,632 kwh/year.

      Now, we put this a slightly more realistic scenario where most unused devices vamp between 0.4-0.1 (avg 0.2w), and 241kwH/yr -> 48kwH/year, or about 0.3% of my average household consumption.

      All that said, know what your devices pull. unplug or turn off the that are “big spenders” when idle. I turn off my printer and unplug TVs that rarely get used. Power strips help for things like stereo or home theater systems.

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    11 months ago

    This is incorrect. Climate change won’t destroy the planet just the people living on it. The planet doesn’t give 2 fucks.