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Like… some sort of Final Solution, you say?
They told us they’re clearing up the “vermin”.
Some sort of option?
Hans?
Ja?
i know right!
just in time, phew
this is the peace plan, i know it in my soul, i was reading km this morning, oh it was so good, it just said hamas will make peace to me over and over and over again
yay
It would be great if they would all walk out on Trump too.
Half of them probably fell asleep about 20 minutes into his insane rant
Twenty minutes is about how long a normal person can be reasonably expected maintain attention, even if the content is interesting. That’s why TED talks are 20 minutes long.
On the other hand, Trump’s rants are mind numbing. You’re either seriously trained at listening, or you have something wrong with your brain, if you can listen to him for more than 2 minutes without zoning out.
I can’t even listen to him for 10 seconds without becoming irrationally angry.
It’s not irrational when you have valid reasons. The man is infuriating with his ego, lies, projection, and bigotry.
Thank you, it feels nice to be seen sometimes.
and hyperbole usage similar to a 5 year old.
I tried zoning out, but it doesn’t work for me. I hate him so much, I have to stop whatever is playing his bullshit.
Yeah a lot of trumps shtick was pretty incendiary.
It would be great if they all just recognized Palestine as a country and cut all trade with Israel immediately until they stopped. Instead of a symbolic walk out, actually walk out of their lives… And you can verify if they cut their shit out
Why until they stopped?
Because there need to be reasons to participate in society properly. If it’s “we’re cutting you off from all trade and never restarting it,” there’s no incentive for them to change their behavior. Sanctions always give a reason.
Punishment isn’t a good motivator of human behavior, reinforcement is.
Israel should not be coming back, it needs to be replaced by a country representing the indigenous land owners and not European colonisers.
Jews believe they are the indigenous land owners. That’s what this whole thing is about.
Yes and POTUS believes that Tylenol causes Autism. Just because leaders believe something doesn’t make it true.
So you don’t believe Jews used to inhabit Israel, despite the evidence? They do have a valid reason for making a claim to the land, which is entirely different from your example
When your ancestors lives in another continent for centuries you lose your connection and can’t have any claim or force a state on the local population . The ancestry argument is very stupid
No I believe that they were originally from that spot between Egypt and Israel until they moved to Egypt and then to Israel after they committed genocide and killing the people that lived there before them. Then they got booted out of Israel and lived other places. They have less claim to the land than the people that were there in the 1800s. Have you not read the Bible?
Jewish people have more current claim to Brooklyn than they do to the land that corresponds to ancient Israel and Judea.
What happens to the people living in Israel currently?
Some Israelis are living in the land of their grandfathers but most of them have countries of origin they can be returned to. If that would be bad for them, there’s always countries they can emigrate to. But most solutions that aren’t zionist or “two state” are along the lines of “abolish the ethnostate and replace it with a real democracy” in which case the people currently living in Israel (minus those guilty of crimes against humanity) largely go about their lives as they did before.
Reminds me of how they’re sending people packing in the US. At what point are you allowed to stay on the land
Sounds like you want revenge colonialism.
It’s nice to see that you and Israel can agree on the desirability of a forever war and ethnic cleansing…
We want a one state solution because thanks to Israel fault of building illegal settlements a two state solution is no longer possible . Nobody advocate for kicking out all Israeli from the land
A two state solution is still possible. Israel kicked all the settlers out of Gaza once, and it can be done with other settlements too. It’s only infeasible because no country that matters is willing to stand up to Netanyahu in a way that matters. But without doing that, there’s also no way to enact whatever counter-genocide it is you’re advocating.
There was only 9000 settlers in Gaza. Here we are talking about 700k . Israel will probably do the same with Arabs and will be transferred to the new state which will be in a such economical weakness .
counter-genocide it is you’re advocating.
I said i advocate for a white state solution with equal rights so nobody is going to be genocide or ethnically cleansing stop being disingenuous
A colonial project is not a human. Neither is a country btw, but that’s not what we are talking about here anyway.
israel and the united states would leave the UN if they did this
That would be for the best since the US has veto rights over everything, basically.
or it might mean that the UN would no longer serve a purpose because it wouldn’t have any influence over the belligerents
lol no way in hell they’re gonna give up their permanent Security council seat, that would be the best thing they could ever do for the UN
you give the president of the us too much benefit of the doubt
Apparently, Israel hacked phones in Gaza to blast out Netanyahu’s speech as he was giving it. If that had happened in the Superman movie, the audience would have said that’s a bit too comic book villainous.
That’s some straight up Joker shenanigans.
Id say that’s more red skull or scarecrow personally, Joker generally only cares about it for folks who are in on the joke IE have context.
Umm first Batman movie where the Joker took control of all the tv stations for his “makeup product”?
I forgo
He’s a war criminal. He’s lucky that’s all they did
“Just let me finish up this genocide really quick, please guys…”
Imagine a world where the US respected the International Criminal Court and this man was arrested the minute he set foot on American soil.
Ok, so hear me out. The ICC is a UN body. The UN headquarters is international soil. Why couldn’t the UN security services arrest him and send him to stand trial at the ICC?
Because of this the American Service Members Protection Act
The act gives the president power to use "all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court.
This authorization led to the act being nicknamed “The Hague Invasion Act”, since the act would allow the president to order military action in The Hague, the seat of the ICC, to prevent American or allied officials and military personnel from being prosecuted or detained by the ICC.
The subsection (b) specifies this authority shall extend to “Covered United States persons” (members of the (“Armed Forces of the United States”), elected or appointed officials of the United States Government, and other persons employed by or working on behalf of the United States Government) and “Covered allied persons” (military personnel, elected or appointed officials, and other persons employed by or working on behalf of the government of a NATO member country, a major non-NATO ally including Australia, Egypt, Israel, Japan, Argentina, the Republic of Korea, and New Zealand).
Trump would then go gaga against the ICC.
Why is a criminal according to the UN with a arrest warrant by the UN allowed to speak at the UN?
How would they get him out of the building?
Really wish the UN had some kind of method to stop counties from clearly and openly committing genocide
It’s called war, but it’s not very popular, especially when waged with no economic incentives. Just look at how many Europeans complain about sending help to Ukraine, not even troops.
Cool but have those countries ended trade with Israel? Declared sanctions? Sent military aid to the PLO? Establish a no-fly zone? I’m glad this happened, its a start, but it’s not enough and Gaza is running out of time.
Not arrest. Not put on trial. Not disarm.
Walkout…
US has veto power. There is no possible way for the UN to do anything.
The UN is flawed by design.
Russia has veto it vote against any resolution about Ukraine. European countries still provide billions in aid and arms to Ukraine to defend itself . The genocide convention is a bigger authority document than UN resolutions
Yes it is flawed, but it was basically “give the 5 largest powers veto power, or they don’t participate”. If they don’t participate, it would be even more ornamental than it currently is.
Ideally they would have more power to stop shit like this, but the UN as it stands is better than nothing. They do bring countries together to talk things through that otherwise might not have and have successfully de-escilated issues in the past.
I’m not saying people shouldn’t expect, or push for, better, and I’m not saying this is your view point, but I do see the sentiment that they’re useless/do nothing quite often.
Walking out won’t ultimately achieve much… But it’s at least better than sitting their and letting him feel validated in his psychopathic plans.
The permanent UNSC members with veto power was a huge mistake. But possibly it was nessecary or these members wouldn’t have joined at all and the UN would have been stillborn. The US now has cast more vetoes than the rest of the UNSC permanent members combined
Yeah, but at the time the US could have fought every nation on the planet to a standtill and the USSR could have fought every nation on the planet but the US to a standstill, so there was no way to not make them permanent members of the security council with veto power since they could just ignore other countries if they wanted.
I am not asking for a legal framework to enforce acts of anti-genocide.
Doesn’t matter what you’re asking for. Anything can be vetoed.
Says a bunch war criminals rotting in jail.
Its been flawed for a pretty long time at this point. The fact that Russia has remained a member for all these years is proof enough of that.
I’m so sick of all of the performative grandstanding. Grab this fucker and throw him in a deep hole. Nice walkout guys, you really showed him.
Weird times when Ireland’s PM is the voice of reason at the UN
One of many voices of reason. Many nom Western countries are on the right side of history on this one.
When have they not been?
This guy is from a centre right party. Not exactly my first ranked choice (or any for that matter).
So? Both of Irelands leading political parties since the foundation of the state are centre right. There has never been a non-centre right party in power.
By contrast the wanted war criminal Benjamin Netanyahu received over FIFTY standing ovations when he addressed the US Congress last year.
Tony Blair to rule Gaza for five years. What the fuck is that weird ass fan fiction of reality!? XD
“The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born; now is the time of monsters.”
— Antonio Gramsci
Finish its final solution. He should have been rotting in prison a long time ago
