Why do you think someone is a Nazi in real life because they’re trying to create a Nazi regime in a game? The entire point of games is to try things you wouldn’t normally do…
You are decontextualising violence there. I can play a violent video game where I kill Nazis without much problem but I won’t play a video game where I am a Nazi soldier fighting for Nazi Germany.
Even in Issac there is some justification to the whole scenario since the mother is abusive and not to mention the supernatural nature of the universe the game is set in. Would you play a video game where you psychotically beat up your warm, kind, lovely, caring mother for no moral reason? This is not just about trying it out once out of morbid curiosity. But trying it out over and over again and then complaining on an internet forum that the passerbys in the game are not letting you beat your lovely mother senseless.
Alright, a better example: Minecraft, which doesn’t force you to do anything, but it’s common for players to enslave villagers and make them work in tiny spaces, steal their crops and sell them back to them, make animal farms where the animals can barely move, etc.
How is this a defense? “In this game I can do the totally unnecessary crimes capitalists do in real life, therefore I must.” No, you don’t have to fucking do it.
Look, I didn’t make them scatter the remains of dead invaders around the encampment. They just kept trying to go retrieve the bodies and dying, so I stopped them from doing that and there the bodies lay.
Way back when, I made a device in Dwarf Fortress to burn the nerves off warriors slowly enough they wouldn’t die of blood loss, so they would never feel pain in combat.
it would be a very strange person to be both not a nazi and also very dedicated to making fascism work in a bibeo gaem, so it’s sort of an occam’s razor situation. Simplest explanation is, they’re a fascist.
Yeah, i am disgusted by fascism and would never even think to play as one. You have to be willing to carry a little water for fascists to play as one, and at that point you’re going to be sitting at their table.
I am not opposed to violent games, because i do not view violence as being bad by itself. It’s all about how you use violence .
And when it comes to how it affects people, the entire north american culture is enamoured with violence, but in the most reactionary and gory way possible. It’s not just video games that cause this, but film, television, and the news, all exploit bleed and lead narratives. Do i judge people for playing these games? Most of the time no, depending on the game. Call of Duty is reactionary schlock, but it’s effectively a triple aaa movie with a controller. You buy it because your friends buy it, because they’ve been playing them for years, and so on and so on. No different than getting the new Madden game every year (even though Call of Duty is inherently political, but this is not my focus at the moment).
But, if you were to play a game like Hearts of Iron IV, and immediately try a Hitler any% speedrun, i’m definitely going to raise my eyebrow. These types of games come with historical baggage, and your choice of luggage does show a little bit of how you think.
All in all, this is coming from a mostly North American cultural perspective, but the inherent desensitization of violence in ideology is definitely gross, and is therefore easily exploited. While a person who plays violent video games might not themselves be violent, they are more likely to view the acts that occur in real life as entertainment. The venn diagram of someone who prefers violence in their videogames, and the type of person to show you a war crime or cartel videogame on their phone out of the blue, is a circle. This, of course, is something i absolutely despise and have told off people before.
I hate the act of violence, but to throw off the chains of the oppressor cannot be done peacefully, as violence is needed to combat violence. These people, however, view it little more as a passive treat, knowing that living in their comfy home, far away from where violence is happening, they can sit there in their laz-e-boy chair and watch the latest news
Because theyre whining they’re not allowed to simulate it in a way that doesn’t make him uncomfortable or the bad guy, did you not read the post, how is that not obvious to you?
I understood it that they’re complaining that the game is not realistic as an alternative history simulator, since in real life Hitler managed to establish a dictatorship, whereas the game makes it impossible.
That’s not what he’s complaining about, you can easily establish a fascist regime in the game, instead he’s whining about the obvious in-game consequences of doing so, because in his head fascism is glorified and idealized so any attempt to simulate it accurately triggers him
Now why would a realistic simulation of fascism upset him? Maybe because his idea of fascism is fucked, which as everyone in this thread has pointed out, says alot about him
Why do you think someone is a Nazi in real life because they’re trying to create a Nazi regime in a game? The entire point of games is to try things you wouldn’t normally do…
This person is shitting their pants that fascism is not a viable ideology. Do they sound like someone who does not have a skin in the game to you?
What kind of heinous crimes are you simulating in your video games, buddy?
To be fair I kill cops in videogames all the time but don’t currently advocate for it in real life.
That’s self defense
That’s not heinous
Ok, but this person’s complaint isn’t “fascism isn’t making me win instantly” it’s “I can’t even make the country become fascist.”
Yeah that’s true. Didn’t notice this at first.
One where you kill your own mother, then go into her womb and kill her heart, for example. Have you never played a violent game? It’s pretty well studied that violence in video games doesn’t lead to violence in real life.
You are decontextualising violence there. I can play a violent video game where I kill Nazis without much problem but I won’t play a video game where I am a Nazi soldier fighting for Nazi Germany.
Even in Issac there is some justification to the whole scenario since the mother is abusive and not to mention the supernatural nature of the universe the game is set in. Would you play a video game where you psychotically beat up your warm, kind, lovely, caring mother for no moral reason? This is not just about trying it out once out of morbid curiosity. But trying it out over and over again and then complaining on an internet forum that the passerbys in the game are not letting you beat your lovely mother senseless.
Isaac isn’t committing a crime, he’s defending himself from his mother trying to kill him.
Alright, a better example: Minecraft, which doesn’t force you to do anything, but it’s common for players to enslave villagers and make them work in tiny spaces, steal their crops and sell them back to them, make animal farms where the animals can barely move, etc.
How is this a defense? “In this game I can do the totally unnecessary crimes capitalists do in real life, therefore I must.” No, you don’t have to fucking do it.
Well, all I’m going to say is I’ve played rimworld…
I make utopian anarchist paradises in RimWorld idk what the rest of you are doing in there
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Oh no! Where?
we’ve got cool hats
Look, I didn’t make them scatter the remains of dead invaders around the encampment. They just kept trying to go retrieve the bodies and dying, so I stopped them from doing that and there the bodies lay.
Way back when, I made a device in Dwarf Fortress to burn the nerves off warriors slowly enough they wouldn’t die of blood loss, so they would never feel pain in combat.
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it would be a very strange person to be both not a nazi and also very dedicated to making fascism work in a bibeo gaem, so it’s sort of an occam’s razor situation. Simplest explanation is, they’re a fascist.
Yeah, i am disgusted by fascism and would never even think to play as one. You have to be willing to carry a little water for fascists to play as one, and at that point you’re going to be sitting at their table.
Are you also opposed to violent games because violence is disgusing? Do you think people who play violent games are violent in real life?
I am not opposed to violent games, because i do not view violence as being bad by itself. It’s all about how you use violence
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And when it comes to how it affects people, the entire north american culture is enamoured with violence, but in the most reactionary and gory way possible. It’s not just video games that cause this, but film, television, and the news, all exploit bleed and lead narratives. Do i judge people for playing these games? Most of the time no, depending on the game. Call of Duty is reactionary schlock, but it’s effectively a triple aaa movie with a controller. You buy it because your friends buy it, because they’ve been playing them for years, and so on and so on. No different than getting the new Madden game every year (even though Call of Duty is inherently political, but this is not my focus at the moment).
But, if you were to play a game like Hearts of Iron IV, and immediately try a Hitler any% speedrun, i’m definitely going to raise my eyebrow. These types of games come with historical baggage, and your choice of luggage does show a little bit of how you think.
All in all, this is coming from a mostly North American cultural perspective, but the inherent desensitization of violence in ideology is definitely gross, and is therefore easily exploited. While a person who plays violent video games might not themselves be violent, they are more likely to view the acts that occur in real life as entertainment. The venn diagram of someone who prefers violence in their videogames, and the type of person to show you a war crime or cartel videogame on their phone out of the blue, is a circle. This, of course, is something i absolutely despise and have told off people before.
I hate the act of violence, but to throw off the chains of the oppressor cannot be done peacefully, as violence is needed to combat violence. These people, however, view it little more as a passive treat, knowing that living in their comfy home, far away from where violence is happening, they can sit there in their laz-e-boy chair and watch the latest news
Because theyre whining they’re not allowed to simulate it in a way that doesn’t make him uncomfortable or the bad guy, did you not read the post, how is that not obvious to you?
I understood it that they’re complaining that the game is not realistic as an alternative history simulator, since in real life Hitler managed to establish a dictatorship, whereas the game makes it impossible.
That’s not what he’s complaining about, you can easily establish a fascist regime in the game, instead he’s whining about the obvious in-game consequences of doing so, because in his head fascism is glorified and idealized so any attempt to simulate it accurately triggers him
Now why would a realistic simulation of fascism upset him? Maybe because his idea of fascism is fucked, which as everyone in this thread has pointed out, says alot about him