This is so sinophobic! Dont you know that never happened and if it did it was because of America and capitalism.
Explain please
Its not serious. I’m just poking fun at the tankies who would defend the massacre by claiming it didnt happen then say but if it did happen america was behind it.
probably referring to this I didn’t check the sources myself but this does feel very convincing especially with the longer tank man video which doesn’t fit the narrative I always hear for the picture
That video is the exact person I was mocking. Its pure historical revision from a blantant propagandist. No one claims the tank ran anyone over, thats a strawman from people like the man in your video. The tank man is a powerful picture because its a man standing up to the army just after they slaughtered 1000s of uni students. If you felt convinced by that you should look into the history of what happened its a short read.
Wasn’t this from before the massacre?
Nah. The guy blocks the tanks as they’re leaving the square. The days before were filled with the army firing live rounds into crowds of protestors and a tank running people over and soldiers being swarmed and beaten to death. Crazy shit.
Last time I checked it wasn’t 1k+ and numbers were criticized but yea
Yeah there is no evidence to suggest what the numbers were the local gov said it was 300 dead so we know its at least that but others who were there estimated up to several thousand. Most estimates are 500-1500 range it seems with thousands wounded.
It was a big protest and China tanks needed to be sent in so I think 1000 is reasonable.
Yup. I would say around 500-800 but sure. At least we have an order of magnitude.
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This is why I find this stuff so bewildering, even Wikipedia says no one died in the square. It was hectic around Mudixi, with buses of soldiers being torched and the burnted bodies being strung up. People there were absolutely shot at and killed.
It was an insane week with a lot happening, many different groups with their own motives, and so many details unclear. It’s weird that anti China rhetoric insists on something that didn’t happen, pushing a false narrative that’s so easy to dispell and distracts from the real violence and politics of the time.
For me wikipedia says that at least a few hundred died, can you show me where wikipedia said no one died?
The point is that according to basically all reputable sources, they didnt die on Tiananmen Square. They were ordered to leave the Square and did so. Then they were killed at other points in the city.
But of course, since the protests were on the Square and then the killings happened, most people simply condense it down to the inaccurate version of “killed at the square”.
“The massacre in the vicinity of, but not directly on Tiananmen Square” doesn’t have the same ring to it. The concrete location might also not matter that much in the grand scheme of things
Well, it does matter as far as lots of people who only have passing knowledge about it will believe that it was at Tiananmen Square, that the guy in the famous photo was run over by tanks etc.
And that makes it easy for the CCP to go “you are all falling for propaganda, that did not happen, look how good we are in not killing these protesters”
But they would also say that in response to a 100% accurate retelling.
We all know those photos are AI
The Clearing the Square section recounts the timeline of the military entering the square and it being totally empty by 6am. I guess you could count the three soldiers killed by the crowd, but that’s not what most people mean.
While I agree that it is not known and a bit inaccurate, saying that it’s the Tiananmen Square massacre is a relatively harmless simplification, as there were dead people nearby and they originally were there.
even Wikipedia says no one died in the square.
The Chinese Red Cross had given a figure of 2,600 deaths but later denied having given such a figure.[16][17] The Swiss Ambassador had estimated 2,700.[18] Nicholas D. Kristof of The New York Times wrote on 21 June that "it seems plausible that about a dozen soldiers and policemen were killed, along with 400 to 800 civilians.
lol. Nicholas Kristof was in Beijing at the time, his contemporaneous article was critical of China and the CPC, but said “There is no massacre in Tiananmen Square, for example, although there is plenty of killing elsewhere.” The original article is paywalled, but here is a 2004 interview where he repeats that no one died in the square, and sticks to his death toll estimate of 300-800.
The Chinese Red Cross deny saying that, so I mean insert your own conspiracy for that one. No idea who the Swiss Ambassador was at the time, the reference is to a book.
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Not all of them were. A great proportion wasn’t armed iirc from my research. But yea just saying “students got killed” is a bit of a lie by omission
The official report back to the Uk government was even worse than the sanitised stuff we got on TV. Even the Chinese government don’t know how many were killed.
https://data.parliament.uk/DepositedPapers/Files/DEP2020-0353/FCO_21_4200.pdf
This shit is an heavy read… I profoundly dislike it.
Finally, a meme I can post on grad
When you love being insulted:
Most people were killed when the tanks were on their way towards the square and not in it. So the student would have technically already been dead before it reached Tiananman
I looked down at the comments… not surprised. :p
Why don’t you ask the kids at Tiananmen square?
Was
fashionnothing the reason why they were there?What is Tiananmen square? I tried asking on reddit and got banned.
I think it’s a cake or some kind of dish.
It’s when a guy with a couple grocery bags beat up a tank.
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😂 I’m glad I can make someone happy with a pic of my baby Cream Cheese.
This reminds me of this other Simpson little jewel https://youtu.be/Vx0tkoJY_mk
.world lemmitors living in western countries on the verge of fascism really be shaking to post anticommunist CIA propaganda on their favourite day of the year
Tankies unable to fathom that you can be critical of both fascism and the authoritarian state capitalism which is China.
Being critical of the communist state which relieved 800 million people from extreme poverty over the suppression of a western-sponsored color revolution while fascism disintegrates the EU and US, from the comfort of the armchairs in their Muslim genocide supporting nations
800 million out of extreme poverty
Funny how extreme poverty starts racing down as soon as China adopted capitalist market reforms.
color revolution
If the massacre in Tiananmen Square was a “western color revolution”, why is China covering it up still? Cuba doesn’t cover up the Bay of Pigs, they celebrate it as a W. It’s almost like it was a protest against a dictatorship that was brutally suppressed, as dictatorships do.
Muslim genocide supporting nations
Like what’s going on in Xinjiang? Israel and China are hand in hand when it comes to ethnic cleansing.
50 cents just isn’t enough to buy good posts nowadays.
Funny how extreme poverty starts racing down as soon as China adopted capitalist market reforms
Extreme poverty was already racing down in the times of Mao before Dengism, life expectancy in China rose some 25 years under Mao. What part of “attracting foreign investment increases the material wealth of the country when done under communist rule” seems funny to you? Is that some sort of gotcha against communists? Because it’s literally the Marxist strategy of Dengism, outlined clearly and not hiding anything.
why is China covering it up
China isn’t “covering up” the Tiananmen revolts, it’s preventing the fabricated set of lies by western media to harm its country, and it’s doing this successfully. China has historically been less developed than western countries due to late industrialisation and being a victim of colonialism and imperialism, and weaker countries need to apply state power to prevent foreign interference, as the Zapatistas had to learn during their struggle. As China strengthens and the West debilitates, China is capable of opening up and controlling its narrative with more soft power, and the West needs to crack down against journalistic freedom. We see this in the US with the banning of TikTok, and in the EU with the banning of Russian media.
Like what’s going on in Xinjiang?
It’s been five years that you libs have been propagating this misinformation about Xinjiang and there’s still not a fucking shred of evidence. The education centres were closed years ago, the counter-terrorism campaign in Xinjiang was ssuccessful, and Xinjiang is not only developing, it’s doing so at an impressively fast rate, and recently the Uyghur became the majority ethnicity in the region. You can literally go into your phone and look up how many Palestinian children have been slaughtered this past week by Israel with video evidence of pretty much every single case, yet in China, a country where pretty much every single citizen owns a smartphone and VPN use isn’t persecuted (personally been in China and used VPNs to bypass the Great Firewall without issues), there isn’t a single picture or video evidence of abuse of authority against Uyghur.
When in 5-10 years it becomes common knowledge that the Uyghur “genocide” was a western fabrication, remember that communists somehow always knew, and reevaluate whether you’re just a propagandised cog in the machine. Everyone also “knew” about the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and believed Nayirah’s testimony in congress.
