I grew up listening to fundie christian parents babble at length how we were living in end times. And mocking them mercilessly (at first among my fiends, later to their faces) as often as possible.
Now look at us - on the brink of non-existence politically, environmentally, and civilizationally. Not sure that last one is a word.
If they were right I’m gonna have some 'splainin to do.
Dammit.
It’s more that it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy.
“The world will hate you,” so you’re antisocial and hateful in preparation. They do hate me! It’s all true!
“There will be wars and rumors of wars,” so you vote for the defense hawks supporting the military complex. So many wars! It’s all true!
“They won’t even tolerate your views, they’ll try to outlaw it!” So you try to ban them first. It’s all true!
Why protect the temporary environment when you have eternal paradise waiting? Why do ANYTHING meaningful here when you have eternal paradise waiting.
tl;dr: Death cult. Projection.
If you spend your life wanting to see the end, eventually you will.
Not only that, but these bad things HAVE TO HAPPEN before the good things can come to pass. That’s the order of operations. Which leads to seeing the bad things and thinking, “YES!!! It’s haaaappeniiiiing!!!”
You literally welcome disaster, because it proves you right, rather than working to prevent it.
It’s all just food prep for the Archons.
yeah but its all going downhill because of people like them. christians are complicit in the demise of democracy.
theyre causing their own doom so they can point it out. if they didnt exist, the world would be a better place.
theres a great meme somewhere where the rapture happens and the world is an amazingly better place for it.
Self proclaimed “Christians” don’t necessarily represent the true beliefs.
James 1:27
“Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to care for orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.”
religion is itself a slippery slope greased with fantasy and hope created by men. when their major tomes require interpretation, any meaning useful to the con artist can be derived.
99% of different interpretations don’t cause that big of a difference, though. The broad important part of the faith remains the same. Usually the divide is mainly on church governance and management, as well as ceremonies, the science of how covenants work, etc. I grew up in a Baptist church, and it was quite common to have Anglican and Presbyterian ministers preaching there. I have been to Anglican churches where Roman Catholics were preaching and ecumenical services as well. We agree on 90% of stuff.
every religion was created by man to control man. to give credence to the slippery slope of divinity is to allow the eventual removal of responsibility from human beings.
religion is a disease, even if ‘mostly benign’.
That’s a very shallow and uninformed view to how religions start and their origins
Lmao imagine responding to James, the brother of Jesus’ letter saying “hur hurr hurr, actually, you’re wrong, that’s a no true scotsman fallacy ☝️🤓”
I was responding to you, dingus.
I was quoting James
Self proclaimed “Christians” don’t necessarily represent the true beliefs.
Chapter and verse?
James 1. Sure, verse 27, but there are other verses in there.
James 1:22-23, 26-27
[22] But be doers of the word, and not merely hearers who deceive themselves. [23] For if any are hearers of the word and not doers, they are like those who look at themselves in a mirror; [26] If any think they are religious, and do not bridle their tongues but deceive their hearts, their religion is worthless. [27] Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to care for orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.
James 2:14-19, 26
[14] What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but do not have works? Can faith save you? [15] If a brother or sister is naked and lacks daily food, [16] and one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and eat your fill,” and yet you do not supply their bodily needs, what is the good of that? [17] So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead. [18] But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. [19] You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder. [26] For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is also dead.
Just sayin. These fools are walking right into it.
I’ve read their book several times. Take some comfort from the fact that if they are right, all of them are on the side they thought they were against.
You must have skipped the Old Testament
Lol…i’ll admit that i’ve skipped over more of it. it’s a lot more tedious than the new one. i have my own path though and don’t need no stinking books. my god encompasses all gods and everything. no one can think of a greater god because mine will just eclipse it. it also doesn’t require worship because it has much more self-confidence than those little pussy gods.
Funny you say that given how petty and insecure Yahweh is in the OT.
Definitely traits that I want to see in my all-knowing, all-powerful god… Jealousy and pettiness.
Yeah, my god calls that one a little tantrum baby
Nobody is righteous. The only reason people are saved is through grace.
Yeah, and they don’t get saved by trying to anticipate the end times and leading others astray.
The book states ‘no one knows when’ several times; even in Revelations, the book literally about end times.
And there are many times in modern human history that people were sure it had kicked off. But it didn’t and things just got better again. It’s like our thing to almost wipe ourselves out but miserably kick on for another day.
We only just appeared here anyway so we’ll likely disappear just as recently as well and some other living thing will have its turn, and so on, and so on, until the sun takes out the atmosphere and then the planet. And fin.
That ball of meat we have in our skulls is too limiting in imagination. I like to think that we can’t even comprehend what comes next (the other side of whatever this is). but, having done enough LSD back in the 90s, I know it will be fun… Edit: Yes, also, it will come like a thief in the night…
If we’re walking into oblivion it’s because the christofascists are leading us there. It will be their self fulfilling prophecy.
Personally, if I die only to find out that the Tyrant is real, I’ll gladly walk into hell before I kneel my way into heaven. Fuck their narcissistic, cruel, inhuman monster of a god.
I would expect in that case “hell” is just a lie anyway, like an abuser telling you you can’t live without them. It’s classic controlling behaviour.
Realising that helped me walk away from the whole thing: Why are we told hell exists if it isn’t real? Control.
Yes it’s a death cult and we’re locked in the basement.
Don’t confuse coincidence for causation. For hundreds of years, people have been harping about the " end times." No 'splaining needed friend.
More likely hundreds of thousands of years, as long as humans have existed and been able to communicate that to each other.
America isn’t the world. It’s just a regime that will fall because of shortsightedness. If your Christian parents only think of the world as “America”, then I don’t think you owe them anything?
I’m going to make a point here, and I hope I am wrong, but I don’t think I am. If America falls apart, I think it will be the first one, not the only one. The influence America exerts on much of the rest of the world is huge, and the pressures on many other nations to follow any collapse with one of their own would be difficult to stop. Not just influence culturally, but economically, including but not limited to agriculture. Removing the agricultural influence provided by America alone will be devastating for much of the world (including non-agrarian parts America).
Self fulfilling prophecy. It’s a doomsday cult and they’re trying to bring the end times instead of waiting
When they said we’re living in the end times it wasn’t a prediction it was a threat
The oldest human writings are lost to history. But we can be assured that they bitterly complained about the young generation and predicted that the world would end soon.
Sooner or later, one of the kooks will be right by coincidence.
I hope the rapture comes and takes all the good people to heaven so us evil doers can live out or lives not knowing the grace of God!
If that happens imma stay up late and eat cookies
Self fulfilling prophecy
Exactly what I came here to say.
“The imaginary is what tends to become real.”
There’s a conspiracy talk in local mid-eastern/muslim bubbles that Evangelicals seizing every opportunity to team up with Zionists to bring the Rapture as soon as possible.
The talk’s been around since Ottoman times so it’s easy to dismiss, but given between apathy to Israel state’s genocide and Trump’s fast start to his secondary term gives me chills no lie.
It’s not too late to re-evaluate your beliefs tbh. I don’t subscribe to the same brand of Christianity as my parents or as what you see happening in the USA, but you can actually have Christ without a lot of that mad fundie stuff, and incorporate into a more rational belief system. I recommend checking out InspiringPhilosophy on YouTube, he has a pretty rational way of explaining the faith. Or I am not rational at all because I still believe in a “skyfairy” according to internet atheists. Just don’t think that being a mad fundie is the only way to be a Christian or necessary to receive forgiveness from God.
I don’t know why anyone needs forgiveness from god. Seems to me that god is the one who needs to be forgiven for creating all this suffering.
What suffering are you referring to?
Suffering is literally everywhere, every day. People tortured, raped, beaten, killed. Disease is rampant as always. Ostensibly, Christians believe that god created everything the way he wanted. If that’s the case, he has some fucking explaining to do.
People are tortured, raped, beaten and killed by other people. Disease is rampant in fewer places with worse medical care. Humans collectively have enough money to solve that problem but instead hoard it for themselves instead. It’s us who have explaining to do to Him.
God created us in his image, no? Being omniscient and omnipotent, he has the power to stop those atrocities, right? If he doesn’t, he’s not God. If he does, he’s evil.
The common “internet atheist” drives me nuts. Such arrogance! Such stubbornness! I will proudly yell “I DON’T KNOW!” from the highest mountaintop, and remain open minded.
Thanks for the YouTube recommendation!
Yeah, I know agnostics exist and the common atheist who jokes about skydaddy is in a minority, thankfully
I find the golden rule and the promise of christ to be totally solid (paraphrasing to being forgiven, but also forgiving all/everything). To me, it is essentially following the eight fold path of Buddhism. I think it can also parallel the transcendence of ego according to Jung.
