Yes, let’s treat these people who have lost all hope for the future like bratty children, I’m sure that will work.
Fuck these articles.
To any gen Z reading this, don’t fall for the shaming. They did the same shit to us Millennials and all it did was make us work for nothing and burn out. Your boss just wants more production and profit at the cost of your body and mind.
You are worth more than what they’re offering. You deserve a future.
I fully support NEETism if that’s what you call it. I’m a Zillennial or whatever the fuck and I’ve worked my entire adult life in the trades. FUCK WORK. There are no jobs that pay enough, the hours are long, and no one gives a fuck about you. Never feel bad for not having a job, you deserve to live however you want. If I was born even a few years later than I was I’d be a fuckin NEET too. There is no incentive AT ALL to do ANYTHING it’s crazy to think people wouldn’t act this way.
Literally had a bastard who is my “friend” give me the I should flip hamburgers and make people smile line. I’ve flipped hamburgers it’s hard work (not even in the bad way) but mother fuckers rarely smile at you. They just complain about you forgoting their pickles or that the burger is slightly over done or some dumb shit…
I’m a millennial with a PhD and more disillusionment than ever. I hope that gen z keeps fighting the good fight, and I’ll help them wherever I can. It can only make my life better.
Thats crazy its almost like its a rational response to the only options in life as a worker which are to work and destroy your mind and body for the worst jobs humanly possible for the worst pay legally possible for the opportunity to have marginally more money to spend in a dying society on a dying planet or do that as little as possible
“But the youngin’s have it easy!” :smuglord: - average boomer capitalist
Boomers got handed the american dream on a platter during the zenith of the american empire. Of course if they were white and male that is, women and minorities still got a boot to the face.
We talk a lot here about how pointless it is to vote but it’s way worse for capitalism if we are unemployed, simply because we refuse to generate labor for the capitalist class. I’ve been thinking about this because I’ve been working full-time for almost three months after being unemployed for years and it just sucks to be aware that even the wages I get eventually end up back in the Cayman Islands, where they are then reinvested in blowing up Palestinian children.
love to have my taxes used to arm nazis and burn children alive. the more money I make, the more guns nazis get
But if you don’t fund the Nazis and dead kids with your labor, then YOU are the one who gets to starve to death 🙃
Great system
This is very true. Was just talking to a friend the other day who went back to China after running a lab for nearly a decade in the US.
Some interesting tidbits:
The attitude between American Gen Z and their Chinese counterparts is night and day. He complained about the fact that the quality of his graduate students has gotten significantly worse over time. Even a decade ago, the millennial kids were still rather passionate about science and put in an effort to impress, these days the Gen Z kids straight up showed very little passion about what they’re doing, one of his students literally left the lab during the middle of the day to “go home to play video games”. Incidentally, the best students were foreign students who came from outside of Western countries.
In China it couldn’t have been more different. Young graduate students would work 6-7 days a week, many are full of curiosity, all very keen to learn more about the science they are doing. Some labs in China have their lab meetings held on Sunday! Imagine doing that in the US lol.
There is no way the US can catch up with China over the next 1-2 decades. In fact, it is already falling behind in terms of scientific output. Like, how are you ever going to compete with them?
Ask your friend about the literal state of American university labs versus everywhere else. They’re dirty, disorganized, dysfunctional, and everything comes down to potential profitability
It’s funny because back in the day you had all the “gentlemen scholars” who had the free time to read and invent new science. Sleep all day because they spent all night watching the skies etc. Nowadays you pair every lab endeavor to the question of making maximum profit in the shortest time and then the people at the top of the pyramid wonder why other countries are catching up or overtaking us in science and tech.
It’s like the same shit as them asking about why kids have short attention spans while you can’t even watch a 3 minute video on youtube without it being bookended by ads shouting at you and blasting you with light and color so that the people who make Mt Dew Cheeto Taquito Chewing Gum can make 1.2% more next year.
Like goddamn, guys. If I was younger I wouldn’t give a fuck about perpetuating the misery machine, either.
What’s sad is I’ve met some of them and they do care but they obviously feel overwhelmed by it all just like I did when I was a dumb ass teenager.
They lack experience and education on the matter. Given what they do know I’d say they’re making the best choice possible. They don’t know how to make things better so they’re choosing not to contribute to making it worse. That’s fantastic! I am proud of these young people.
I met one who was a nice kid who even liked working he was just drinking himself to death. I told him to drink a little less and I’d tell him about an awesome strip Club in Atlanta he could go to (I think Bryan from the guys podcast) mentioned it once. I bet that dorky white kid would love it there.
I went down the NEET path and society predictably fucked me. Almost nobody is there to look out for you so as I said I don’t blame the kids regardless of what they choose to do. We all collectively let them down.
Meanwhile China is throwing hundreds of millions into new research institutions to attract people into science.
Yeah, there is very little incentive to do well. Especially for U.S. graduate and doctoral students. Even if you do do very well, the best thing that will happen for most of them if they stay in the U.S. is that they will be taken and paid alot of money to not do research for the competition, because no-one really works on anything interesting anymore. All of the cool chemistry and industrial technologies stuff comes from China and Europe.
The problem is that the assumption is that if you had to go do a doctorate, you weren’t smart (or connected) enough to dropout and become an entrepreneur. It’s a really really bad system that creates huge disincentives from learning about things and pushing the boundaries of what is possible. Instead it the incentive is to learn how to do marketing and graft better.
They can still work in weapons development!
What percentage of rent for a 1BR is the American grad student making lmao. Probably around 80%. Also if his field is CS then they’re not really representative of gen Z.
Biomedical research
I heard videogames and assumed it was a CS bazinga. We are doomed as a country.
Maybe less depending on the program and the city.
What Chinese people….happy……under le evil CCP it must be a myth…
Calling 15-18 year olds “NEET” is a wild one.
I think it’s okay to take a gap year after high school, and take breaks from employment, education, and training now and then.
Just don’t do it for too long or you’ll turn into
If you’re 15 and you’re not in education or an apprenticeship/training of some kind, the state has failed you.
True, but students doing an apprenticeship/training is a bit more rare than just receiving a general secondary education.
I would be okay with a generation of Felixs
To be fair, child labor is legal again so these 15 year olds could already have 5-9 years of experience under their belt. They are being lazy and entitled by loafing about in school and learning how to read.
Every 6 months they need to come up with a new “quiet quitting” term to try to yet again defelct from the lack of material conditions.
Teachers just think they can torture students into giving a shit in the west it’s pretty dumb
its almost like we have surplus productivity and extra labor is unnecessary
don’t let the capitalist class know this, or the purges will begin of the unneeded “excess labor”
Great way for them to pound the accelerator
If there was a future worth planning for they might behave differently. What’s the point in saving up cash or buying a house or having kids when during education you’ve sat in classrooms discussing the upcoming literal end of the world through climate change?
All these kids have looked at the evidence for it and come to this conclusion.
I was a neet for a couple of years. honestly with how little I work these days it still feels like I am one sometimes. feels like there’s no point in participating when the country doesn’t want to give anything back to you.
Someone once told me every hour and American works they make $90 for the economy. So if, let’s say, they had to give $30 of that to income tax and $30 for the business why does the worker at minimum get $7.25?
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Oh no! I’m not doing child labor!
I guess I would qualify as a NEET. I don’t work and never got a degree or certification in anything. I’m also gen Z. My fiance pays the rent currently, but if it ever came down to a “work or lose your home” situation I’d get a part time job at least.
I’ve spent most of the last 4 years or so making shit attempts at organizing (mostly adventurism if I’m being honest) spent some time in some orgs, but otherwise I’ve been pretty lost. I fucking hate reading, but I manage to read something theory related every month or so. I feel like I have to do something, but I realize all the time that I am woefully ill equipped to change my conditions and that leads to me getting a tad defeatist.
I’ve found many of my peers are in similar situations, wanting the world to change but not having the tools to fix it.
I’m just focusing on the present because the future is depressing
Literally me, except my present is also depressing. And my past. I just dissociate
