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Jesus, at this point over half the country will ban porn because of religious extremists who hate freedom. Fascism and anti free speech.
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and then those same people who want it banned close their curtains and start watching it.
Like all these child protecting puritans who end up being pedophiles and sex traffickers lol
They’re predators who are paranoid someone’s gonna take away “their” prey
Ban curtains!
The only porn left will be yiff, because sites struggle to classify it as porn (it even makes it past google’s filters). And a new generation of furries will be born. Their ban will be their undoing, lmao.
“The elder scrolls told of their return. The defeat was merely a delay.”
The less furry porn lore I know the better
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Oh, don’t forget kosa, it has bipartisan support
They want to hold sites responsible for children accessing NSFW content on them. Which means ID of some kind
It would also apply to user posted content
I doubt it could be actually banned. The US had this fight decades ago and Porn was given 1A protections. If they could ban it they would but they can’t so they are doing the next best thing by making it inconvenient and uncomfortable for people to get to.
The problem though is that all those things we fought for before and being rolled back. You could have said the same about abortion, but then we regressed because of religious extremists.
Christian conservatives want it banned for sure.
Age verification for pornography has something like a 70% approval rating. It’s not a religious extremism issue, it’s a “normies don’t want or care about their freedoms issue”.
I think there’s a lot of vague support for keeping porn away from children that evaporates in the context of the actual issue at hand where porn sites are being mandated to collect and store the IDs of every visitor.
The concept is not terrible, the implementation is. Passing this law with no secure way of proving identity is where it’s clearly just a Christo-fascist power move.
I think a law verifying your age over the internet inherently breaks the idea of a free internet, of which we are already seeing degradation of by Google and DRM/web integrity anyways.
I think a law verifying your age over the internet inherently breaks the idea of a free internet
That was broken decades ago.
today couldn’t have happened if yesterday’s degradation didn’t occur. it’s been slowly breaking for a while now.
I don’t see how it doesn’t violate free speech. Imagine needing the government’s permission to talk to someone?
Edit: forgot a word
I agree. Even internet security protocols are at risk, and the dinosaurs responsible for writing laws don’t understand basic encryption let alone the idea that it is 100% a needed concept in a free, fair, and just society.
There are already age limitations that are constitutional. You can’t run for office, buy alcohol, drive a car etc.
That’s not speech. You can age limit things, but not on speech. Beyond that, the limitations on speech have to meet certain conditions where it’s in the publics best interest and doesn’t put too much burden on the public.
The way the US is going, with anti-LGBT laws popping up all over the place, I have less trust for the government collecting that information than the sketchy porn sites themselves.
You’re not wrong.
The only implementation I would support is one where the asking website doesn’t know your ID, and the verifying website doesn’t know what you’re trying to visit. Essentially just asking for a one-time use token that verified your age, and providing that token to the website you’re trying to visit.
Edit for a bit more detail: User authenticates to ID website, which provides them a token with age verification (true/false) and a short (10 minute?) TTL. This token is encrypted by the ID website. User then provides this token to the asking website (eg: pornhub). Pornhub then sends the token back to the ID website to decrypt it. All pornhub knows about you is whether or not you’re of age, and the verifying website never knows what the token is for.
that’s amazing, I would love to see this implemented, problem is nobody wants to set it up, they want the data. I think they enjoy the discomfort hoping people will stop. If the system was setup and used despite all the pressure, the short TTL may create the risk of traffic correlation attacks, especially for the smaller, less traffic sites. this is something that can likely be fixed.
There would be too much value in tracking that token for such a scheme to stay secure. Governments or shady corporations or illegal black markets or all of the above would be all over keeping tabs on what sites are visited by which tokens and matching them to identities.
The whole point is that the token itself doesn’t have any personal info attached to it, only a yes/no and expiry time.
I’ll even one up my original suggestion - it uses standard public/private key encryption, where the government issues a simple json token with a yes/no Boolean and a TTL. The public key that can decrypt the tokens is public. Pornhub then decrypts the token and verifies the boolean and expiry date, all without talking to the government at all.
ISPs already have, and do sell that data.
And fuck sending your driver’s license to random shady porn sites
I think there is a lot more to this that a secure way or protecting children.
It’s the base idea that I have to prove who I am online at all. That I cannot lie. Lieing should be a fundamental right. Not identifying yourself should be a fundamental right. Giving a false name should be a fundamental right.
I get that too, but we wouldn’t want people buying alcohol or fire arms anonymously. Imo access to pornography should be like access to R-Rated movies or Parental Advisory music. Guidelines set either by the industries or government, but policed by parents.
You don’t want people buying alcohol anonymously? Im totally for it.
You’ve hit the nail on the head while at the same time missing everything. Parents should be policing their children and what they do on computers. It’s not like there is a spectrum between pg porn and x rated porn. The websites themselves are already the R rating.
things like Ecchi and stripteases exist, but its too mild for PornHub. Soo… I’m not really making a point.
It’s kinda tragic too. I do agree with the sentiment behind age verification, it is in the kids’ best interest that they not be using porn at that age. But there’s really no way to effectively enforce this without violating basic rights. There is no good solution. Given that dilemma, all we can do is try to better prepare parents to deal with this in their home.
At what age? 6? Sure.
16? 13? Less likely that it’s “in their best interest”, because they’re now dealing with those physical and psychological changes that are very much in line with the content of porn.
Just like TV, movies, video games, books, and other forms of fantasy / entertainment, parents need to be involved, have earnest communication with, and provide education for, their kids about the porn they will be consuming.
But “porn is icky”, so they won’t.
How is it in their best interest not to consume porn?
I would have guessed that’s where the religious oppression was targeted, whatwith being overly obsessed about peoples’ sexualities.
Is it really that bad if kids see a bit of porn? Like really? I grew up before the internet, but even in my day porn mags and VHS tapes got passed around when I was a teenager. Kids are always going to be curious.
Even so on the internet there are much worse things than porn that are harmful for the development of children. There are various groups of questionable morality like incels, or other mysogynistic groups, alt right stuff like neonazis, christofascists, climate deniers, … If I had children, I would be much more concerned about them falling into one of those ideological traps than them seeing some titties. Hell, even TikTok is probably more harmful for giving them a dopamine addiction and an increasingly short attention span.
So to me, it seems a bit weird to single out porn. It feels like a convenient scapegoat for parents who don’t want to spend time raising their kids and paying attention to what they are looking at on the internet.
I don’t have kids either, but my siblings and friends do, and kids today aren’t just seeing a little porn. It’s not like Playboys in the woods or a single 2 MB image downloaded for hours on dial-up. It’s pretty violent sexual activities in video, like strangling or surprise anal sex. Even twenty years ago, my first sexual partners had moves they picked up from porn, but they weren’t violent. Talking to young women today, the moves their partners are picking up and have been normalized by porn tend to be violent. Like, I never had a friend in college tell me that her boyfriend slapped her during sex and called her a dirty whore while she cried, but that seems to be a pretty common experience today.
The issue is that even older teens don’t have the life experience to contextualize what they see in porn and separate it from how you act in real life. If you’re into slapping people, that’s fine, but you’ve got to talk to your partner about it before you do to. If you’re getting your sex education from porn, then you don’t get the people skills part that’s important for successful relationships in real life.
This study touches on a lot of what I’m mentioning here, and they found a correlation between violence in teen relationships and porn viewing. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6751001/
So, yeah. I don’t know what the solution is. I don’t think it’s sending a copy of your ID to a porn site, which seems incredibly risky for other reasons. I think sex and relationship education would help a lot, but that only connects with the kids who listen. Obviously there’s a parenting component there, but I don’t know how many parents are mentally health enough to have those conversations honestly. 🙃 Probably not the ones who wrote this bill.
I don’t really know what the answer is either, but you’re right. The extremes we see in porn today are very concerning. The things you listed shouldn’t be in main stream porn and need consent and open conversation outside of sex before adults who understand what they are doing actually do them. I find it crazy that it’s made its way into mainstream videos and blame the idea of things having to be ever crazier, ever more extreme to get attention.
But blocking teenagers off from porn, or trying to, won’t help anything. I think we need to be open, honest, and have real sex education. I also think these things are why some sex ed now includes actually how to have sex rather than the physical components. But that serves to give the prudish more ammo of how sex education is porn itself even when meant to be purely educational and combat these extremes people are seeing. There’s so much nuance to the issue that I think a lot of people get bogged down on one part or on their own preconceptions.
Talking to young women today, the moves their partners are picking up and have been normalized by porn tend to be violent.
the other thing it does is gives people trauma.
Coomers crying fascism because kids can’t jerk off to sexually trafficked women.😐
If you think these bills will do anything to stop teens from accessing porn or women from being trafficked, I have a bridge to sell you. And if you think Republicans actually care about the health and well-being of vulnerable women, I have an even more luxurious bridge to sell you.
you have TWO bridges?!?
I mean, do you not?
“Gee Bill!” etc.
Meanwhile Nick Fuentes wants a child bride…it’s almost as if sad excuses for sacks of shit republicans want to control the sexuality of children…
I mean, that’s also bad?
When we started opening up about sexuality, sexual assaults tanked. It also tanked when we started teaching sex ed to kids
There’s a difference between sex ed and having them jerk off to porn, much less encouraging them with unrealistic expectations on sex.
That sounds like a parents job then… Like shouldn’t the parents be the ones keeping up with what their kids access and look at on the internet to make sure they don’t access that stuff then? Shouldn’t they be, you know parenting them instead of letting the state parent everyone else for their failures?
I thought as an American adult I could do whatever I wanted within my legal rights free from government over reach.
Now I’m being told I have to give my personal ID to a non-government website (to eventually get hacked and leaked, hurray another vector of ID theft being opened up!)… Because other people can’t properly take care of their kids or take 15 minutes out of their day to set up a network filter like my parents did? Or even, you know… Just talk plainly to their kid…like growing up I saw blood and guts and gore from films (fictional entertainment and educational ones played at school) but my parents took the time to explain the things I see and interacted with in the world
This is gross government overreach and is entirely anthetical to American ideals. And as much as I hate the slippery slope argument, do you really trust the American government to not abuse the precedent being set here and expand on it?
This whole thing feels gross. Imagine the government later on starts saying that you have to have mandatory ID and facial scans to access certain websites. Imagine they use that to track down individuals who made aggressive or hyperbolic comments such as expressing dislike for a political party or person. I can imagine so many scenarios where this just goes from bad to worse that I can’t type fast enough. The potential for something like this to slowly or even rapidly become abusable is infinite since we already have countries enacting on these models that started out with these same or similar requirements before ramping up.
Combine this with the stuff Google is trying to do and oh man, the future looks bleak for free internet and communication and the further enrichment of the elite and powerful… Road to hell is paved with good intentions and all that
Think you meant to sign up on lemmygrad.ml
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LOL, you went with a strawman & personal attack because you know your actual argument is garbage.
Oh the attack isn’t personal. I did refer to all republicans , there’s enough of my disgust to go around.
Keep in mind that the republican party is the one that is courting Fuentes, and the meak attempts of republicans trying to curb pornography, sex ed, and LGBTQ content in public libraries is based off of a conservative Christian attempt to control and curb the dissemination of information related to sex and gender.
I do find this whole discourse sad and pathetic since this kind of control over content and identity never ends up having any positive lasting effect. The children of conservative parents generally become fed up with their repressed out of touch parents and becoming liberals. Or they end up in a hate filled exclusionary community that only accepts them based off of some form of restriction of expression and personhood.
To the majority of republicans, I will say that you’ve made your vision for the future plain. We all get that you want a future where generally white male strongmen determine the course of humanity. And to that I say fuck off.
It’s incredibly hard to change an Intelligent mans mind. It’s impossible to change an stupid mans mind.
Did you just come from reddit with that lame cliché
The entire user base of Lenny came from Reddit, so what?
My parents had a porn blocker, and all it made me do was learn enough about computers to circumvent it. Even if they put age verification in front of every porn site in the world there’s still torrents and chat rooms and forums all over where you can find it, and kids will find it. Next thing they’ll mandate is putting toothpaste back in the tube.
Trying to stop people from doing something is a sure fire way to guarantee they will do that thing.
It’s not that. It’s that if you tell a horny teenager that there’s pictures of naked people somewhere they’ll move heaven and earth to get to it.
Guess we shouldn’t have any laws about anything, then.
Bit of a leap, my dude.
Of course we should have laws.
But for things that are actually harmful.
For everything else we should have regulation.
If your single point is “trying to stop people only makes them do it more”, than no, it’s not a “leap”. That invalidates the very idea of having laws in the first place.
And fwiw, I’m not arguing in favor of this law, just against the idea you replied with.
I just stated a fact, not my opinion on it.
The leap was you assuming that i think that means there should be no laws. Which, as you can see by my previous response, you were wrong about.
We didn’t say this about everything (although it is true that some kinds of people are attracted to anything forbidden). We said it’s true of teenagers and porn. Duh.
We said it’s true of teenagers and porn. Duh.
I don’t see any such qualifiers. Do you?
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It’s not that. It’s that if you tell a horny teenager that there’s pictures of naked people somewhere they’ll move heaven and earth to get to it.
And fwiw, I’m not arguing in favor of this law, just against the idea you replied with.
Whatever you’re arguing for or against, you’re arguing like a drunk uncle. You’re taking it to an extreme that it’s obvious no one actually intended, and then arguing against that extreme like it was the original point.
I’m not arguing against extremes, I’m arguing against a bad argument. And I’m not drunk, I only wish I were.
Not only will they find it, they’ll end up going to the sketchier sites that don’t do the age verification because they’re not well known enough and not following the laws and they’ll likely get something infected on the computer/network or worse.
Not only will they find it, they’ll end up going to the sketchier sites that don’t do the age verification because they’re not well known enough and not following the laws and they’ll likely get something infected on the computer/network or worse.
It’s like that time we declared a war on drugs and then there were no drugs. Wait, actually that led to a massive black market and tons of violence.
Point being, you’re not gonna stop it. You’re just gonna make it less safe.
Yep. Who among us as idiot teenagers hasn’t downloaded “$current_starlet full nude sex tape.exe” from some shady site?
Certainly not me.
I use Arch Linux btw.
wine is launching
Even as an idiot teenager I knew the difference between an executable and a video file.
Or to reddit and lemmy
Funny you should mention putting toothpaste back in a tube, because I actually helped someone do that last night. It’s possible, but also a huge pain in the ass. That’s not a commentary on anything besides literal toothpaste.
I would like to hear the rest of the story, please.
My housemate was going on a trip to Alaska the next morning. She had a mostly empty 3 oz toothpaste tube and she was trying to refill it from a larger tube. No idea what she was so opposed to just buying toothpaste when she arrived. I think she was mostly just doing it because she could.
The solution involved holding the tubes end to end and squeezing the larger tube, alternating with using a stirring rod to pack the toothpaste into the smaller tube.
But why?
My housemate was going on a trip to Alaska the next morning. She had a mostly empty 3 oz toothpaste tube and she was trying to refill it from a larger tube. No idea what she was so opposed to just buying toothpaste when she arrived. I think she was mostly just doing it because she could.
The solution involved holding the tubes end to end and squeezing the larger tube, alternating with using a stirring rod to pack the toothpaste into the smaller tube.
I’d build some kind of suction device to put negative air pressure on the tube while holding the nozzle in the toothpaste
I think I saw something like that on YouTube. I’ll look for the video later.
When my wife insisted I put a porn blocker on the internet, I did some simple DNS tinkering, then told my son not to let his mother catch him bypassing the “blocker” I put on.
When I was growing up we had the ultimate porn blocker.
Dial up internet was far too slow to load more than about half an image per hour.
It would loan line by precious line. Should I look now and enjoy the suspense or wait ten minutes and see the whole pic in all of its glory? Usually I would be weak and sit there enjoying the anticipation…one line at a time…then finally, when you were so horny you just couldn’t take it anymore…you see her penis :/
Kids today don’t know how good they got it.
This blows my mind. Why not just push back on your wife for being ridiculous? I say this as a woman with two boys who has been married for 10 years.
One picks their battles…
toothpaste back in the tube
Well now there’s an apt metaphor… :-P
Religious zealots shouldn’t be dictating what I watch, read or do.
Especially when they’re watching this stuff too
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America is such garbage lol. You guys should really focus on the important stuff.
It’s garbage because brainless rednecks voted in Trump and Republicans
while that was pretty fucking bad, let’s not pretend it is the singular source of all evil.
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Huh, almost like I didn’t say it was perfect.
Did you think they can only be garbage or perfect and nothing else? Really?
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Republicans existed before Trump. How can you fail to understand the basic concept of persistence? The Republicans that are still helping to screw up what Trump started were here before, also screwing things up. They didn’t poof in to existence with Trump.
Stop pretending like anyone is saying it was unicorns and rainbows. A false dichotomy is patheticlly inept thinking skills on your part.
The republicans of the 50s are far different than those of the 80s and today. You don’t expect everyone to have the exact same beliefs as you do you?
The person they were responding to specifically referenced Trump and modern Republicans. My point does not require Republicans having kept the same ideals throughout many decades of time. The 80’s were almost half a damn century ago.
bipartisans think in absolutes, 2-dimensional mind
They are not brainless. They have different values than you and me.
Both can be true
Then they can keep their “values” to themselves and out of my government.
They are also citizen of the country you live. It is not yours any more than it is theirs.
Would you tolerate the Taliban in your country? If the answer is no, then you wouldn’t “tolerate” christofascists either.
We’re trying, but our government won’t let us.
Please separate government and politicians and media. Plenty hard work happening in our agencies solving important issues. And of course then congress wakes up and just spews bullshit.
We’re trying, but our government won’t let us.
Its full of evangelical Christians. That and Anglo-Saxon culture even minus the evangelical Christians is very squeamish around sex. Just look at the different attitude towards talking to kids about sex that you find in the UK and on the Continent, even the Germanic countries tend to be a lot more open about this stuff than the UK.
Its full of evangelical Christians.
That number has been shrinking for decades, while at the same time the christo-faccists are getting more pushy.
Who are these “christo-fascists”? I’m a big skeptical when people throw that f-word around. I might generally agree with their points but they almost always have a political ax to grind. Hence the hyperbole.
The Ohio Republican party just made a brazen attempt to consolidate power (and failed).
They tried to effectively remove citizen initiatives, because the legislature doesn’t control those.
The overlap of people that call themselves devote christians and people that are racist and fascist is huge in America. Mind you, they call themselves christians, they don’t act like they claim.
A while ago I saw someone flying the flags of the “Anti-Antifa” and a huge cross. Mathematically that makes them the “Fa”. If only anyone knew what that part stands for…
P.S.: Oh and this isn’t exclusive to the US of A. Here in Germany the conservative party bears the word “christian” in their name and they have been inching closer with the neo-Nazi party AfD for years now - if not politically then at least ideologically.
They know, guy. Fascists have stopped being afraid of the label except in terms of scaring the “centrists,” but they don’t mind that we know they’re fascists.
Anti-antifa does not make one fascist. Britain and America were anti-Antifa and made sure they regained no power in the early days of the BDR. You might disagree with Western, anti-socialist and anticommunist politics, but they were decidedly not fascist.
This is what I mean. A political ax to grind and a bunch of word games.
By the time you realize you’ve been duped, it will be too late.
Can you give me a source regarding that claim? It is also okay if its in german. All I know is that the communist party which had ties to the soviets was the first party the U.S allowed, because it was Nazi free. A few years later the “Christian Democrats”, which were full of literal Nazis, made them illegal and continued the Nazi stuff without so much killing in Germany, they still funded the facists in Spain to continue murder people in the civil war the fascists began. People suspected to be Antifa couldn’t get jobs or had to go to prison in germany.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(Germany)?wprov=sfla1
The section postwar commities.
I’m late to this, but I think you were unfairly downvoted for asking a legitimate question. The modern definition of fascism that is separate from the Italian political party comes from Umberto Eco’s essay Ur-Fascism: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/umberto-eco-ur-fascism
His 14 points closely align with the US Christian right wing and more generally the rise of right wing authoritarianism globally.
Thanks, I appreciate your response. But don’t worry. I am here to help out FOSS software, and because I believe in the Lemmy project.
I am perfectly happy to share my honest opinions and be downvoted. That’s part of being part of a community.
At any case, to respond more precisely to what you were saying. I will read the Umberto Eco essay at some point (sorry, its long and I’m busy). Nevertheless, I feel as though a redefinition of the term clearly has a political motivation behind it. Why not simply call right wing Christians by another name? I feel the word fascist is used because of its historical connotation and because it helps people with a far-left agenda get what they want. It’s an effective strategy because conservatives end up defending themselves and trying go prove they’re not Hitler rather than talking about something a bit more substantive.
No worries. It’s a short read as far as essays go. Both the Nazi and Fascist parties were authorization but neither were left or right in the modern US instances. Eco’s whole point was to divest the cultural and time trappings of this brand of authoritarianism into a general definition of modern populist authoritarianism. It’s a good read.
I am completely with you on the f-word being thrown around willy nilly these days, but there are a disturbing number of self proclaimed Christian nationalists in government and among the evangelical populace. Marjorie Taylor Greene is not the only politician to state this on a televised interview, but is the first one to jump out at me.
It’s thrown around a lot now because it’s apt. And the Republicans need to rely on it more and more as people realize the truth to the capitalist propaganda and they can’t keep in power using BS like trickle down economics. People are understanding that equality isn’t a part of what Republicans are interested in, so they need to appeal to the people who aren’t interested in equality.
The rich are one group that benefits from inequality but are outnumbered by the poor, so that leaves people who believe in fascist ideals, like one race is better than others, or gender, or gender preference, or some other trait that means they can feel superior without needing to do anything that sets them apart.
Which might have been at the root of why people were willing to believe that bullshit that favoured the ruling class in the first place because my own reaction to “trickle down economics” the first time I heard of it was that it was fucking stupid. I still don’t see many people pointing out that even if it did work, it implied that some people deserve the bulk of resources to pass through their hands and be used to get labour and other goods from those it “trickles down” to.
I’d argue that the American dream itself was fascist, at least the versions that have everyone aspiring to be billionaires. The Confederacy was fascist, existing purely because they thought that some men should be able to own others outright.
Delusional. You may disagree with American capitalism and the plutocracy it has become. I’m inclined to agree with you to a point. None of those things are fascist.
The far left is obsessed with fascism. Maybe it is because you are both brutal and authoritarian when you gain power.
The label “fascist” now gets tossed around as much as the label “communist” did in the 50s.
The Brits seem to have an obsession with pedophilia on par with the far-right in the US that you don’t see in other countries.
It really is profoundly Anglo-Saxon (whether in Britain or the States). I really don’t know why they’re like that.
It’s definitely not Anglo–Saxon as in “inherited from the Germanic tribes of Angles and Saxons”, afaik medieval and early modern English society was quite open about sex.
After the Reformation, England bred or harboured quite a few fundamentalist Christian sects which had a huge impact on English and especially American society.
Yes, you are right. I meant Anglo-Saxon in a more colloquial sense
It drives me insane.
Pornhub is Canadian actually
And they’re doing nothing wrong.
Texas, the American State, is wrong.
And that’s how we hope the case will go
They are doing many things wrong.
Texas is American.
Please stop saying that out loud.
Dude you can’t deny facts just 'cause they’re uncomfortable. Texas is American.
I know it hurts, and I know it’s hard, but you can’t treat cancer by ignoring it. It can be cut out or medicated, but if you ignore it, it kills you.
They’re the ones that keep talking about how they used to not be America and “threatening” to secede.
At this point I’m not sure we shouldn’t kick them out.
Maybe give the land back to Mexico?
I’m not sure Mexico would want it, what with all the Texans running around on it…
(To all my lefty/socialist friends in Texas, I apologize if this is offensive. Also, living in Iowa, it’s not like I have a lot of room to talk…)
But isn’t Texas 'Merican?
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Or any clothes for that matter
Some wear strap ons
I think a lot of these states are going about this wrong. We should be helping parents restrict access for their children rather than trying to verify identities of adults who likely want to remain anonymous.
I am pretty sure these laws have nothing to do with “protecting children”
It’s the same rhetoric that the UK government are using to get a backdoor on messaging apps with E2EE.
The UK is trying to get the age verification for porn thing going as well.
They’ve been trying for years and never get anywhere.
They face an issue that introducing age verification requires an ID system and whilst age verification polls well (as did earlier silly ideas like a watershed for the internet . Unfortunately, timezones exist…) ID verification polls extremely badly
So I suspect trying and failing is their holding position where they satisfy both.
Yeah, anytime you see somebody making the “think of the children!” argument, look at what the possible end goal could be with that removed. Protecting kids is a favorite smokescreen because kids can’t speak up for themselves in these cases.
Yeah I think that’s the proper route. Parents who want to restrict what their children see need to take responsibility for doing so and not try to make the government do it for them at the expense of everyone else’s privacy.
I’m of the opinion that protecting children has little to do with the actual intended purpose of laws such as these.
Make a kid safe tld that requires whatever government certification. Done. Now parents, if they choose, can filter all but the kidsafe tld. Trying to instead blacklist is never going to work.
Whether companies choose to certify and publish there is something those who want this type of thing should provide incentives for.
Creating a parallel internet for children is a very intriguing idea
“You show me some lazy prick who’s laying around all day watching game shows and stroking his penis and I’ll show you someone who’s not causing any fucking trouble”
-George Carlin
Republicans really believe shit like this and banning abortion will be successful at restoring the nuclear family… at gunpoint.
What it will really do is increase sexual assault, suicide, violence in general…
Of course that will be everyone else’s fault for not submitting to their attempts at coercion correctly. Republicans insist on personal responsibility, exclusively for their many enemies and explicitly not for themselves.
The funniest bit is, they are the reason for the death of the nuclear family and the reason it won’t be restored. If you give the owner class all the money out of the asses of the working citizens that would have kids, herp derp they won’t have kids.
If they really wanted the “traditional American family” to come back, they need only restore tax levels to pre-reagan levels, and actually enforce them. Instead they’d rather threaten everyone for masturbating instead of making new wage slaves they can’t afford to raise so Republicans can also get that dopamine hit of schadenfreude by calling them irresponsible for having kids they can’t afford.
You want to restore the nuclear family? Make it financially viable for us to have one.
One of the main reasons I don’t have children is because it’s too goddamn expensive.
Also I’m sterile. But there’s nothing anyone can do about that.
Fertility issues are also massively on the rise, probably just another side effect of all the pollution we let oligarchs inflict for private profit.
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NeroBezos/Walton/Buffet/Koch/etc counted while humanity burned.I want kids. But I need government programs like Universal Healthcare, real paternity leave rights, and maybe even extreme stuff like subsidized surrogacy to make that happen. My family in Japan has that. My SO in Canada has that. Why can’t we have that here in the US?
None of my 4 kids, ages 16 - 23, want to or plan on having children.
Guess a state with a big enough user base finally tried this horse shit lol.
Porn hub should make a VPN and offer it for free to people in texas They could call it VaginaPenisNards
I’m in Norway and can’t find it in the Play Store. The links from their website seem dead or wrong.
There is a vpn app with the same name, but it has typos and looks suspect.
Republican states really want everyone to be as miserable as possible.
If everyone is miserable and all vices are banned, there will be nowhere else to turn to but religion and that’s exactly what they want. Religion is authoritarian by default and the main message of it is comply or else which fits right into the Republican’s plan for us all.
From reading about the law it sounds like they are trying to take a page from CA’s overreaching prop 65 law that effectively labels everything a potential carcinogen. Based on the data the main beneficiary of this are a handful of law firms. I wouldn’t be surprised if this law is backed by a few law firms who smell easy money.
The irony of this lol 🤣
Has any site actually tried implement this bullshit?
Here in Lousy-ana, pornhub has a popup a id verification page.
I think the mormon cultist state has that too now.
Any other sites? Sounds like pornhub is the only one since they are so well know.
So far its pornhub and their partner sites like Redtube, youporn,and xhamster.
Ha, so one company is complying. Did the others just IP ban the state or not care?
I thought they just blocked it in Louisiana and just had some sort of video telling you to call your rep to fix it. I’m too lazy to find a VPN endpoint in Louisiana to confirm though. So the article I read may be out of date.
Many states have been doing this.
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There was no CP on there, it’s the go-to excuse conservatives use whenever they don’t like something they think is “degenerate”, you’ve seen them do it to trans people recently. It’s the same old BS song and dance I remember from the 1990’s with right-wing conservatives whining about DOOM being too violent for children and GTA being a bad influence on kids, it’s literally the same argument
Do you have any evidence for that? I find it hard to believe that there wasn’t any CSAM on there considering that there was the whole expose, you know, the one that forced them to delete the majority of their videos, because the site didn’t have any way to verify whether they were CSAM or not.
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So… you’re just guessing that they had this highly destructive content on there, without any evidence?
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No, what Pornhub denounces is mandating that thousands of sites across the internet are being legally mandated to collect citizens private, identifiable information, and correlate it with their porn watching habits. It’s a prime example of government overreach. Y’all should stop using the “protect the children” excuse for your facist policy and actually develop a rational, logical argument.
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People can just not visit the site if they don’t wanna look at porn. That also works, lol. There are things that I think are morally repugnant that I just ignore.
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