Hamas’ brutal attacks in Israel on October 7 killed at least 1,400 people and the group took more than 200 hostages, according to Israeli authorities. In the wake of the assault, Israel launched an aerial bombardment of Gaza that Palestinian health officials say has killed more than 5,000 people. Israel also announced a “complete siege” on the enclave, withholding vital supplies of water, food and fuel.

  • @avater@lemmy.world
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    -168 months ago

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. What Hamas did was terrible, but Israel has done is no better.

    of course not. this conflict will only end if both (!!) sides stop this shit. Both sides have to accept the other one as humans, as independent states, their different religions, all that stuff. Without that there will be no peace, only more death on both sides.

    • @Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
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      278 months ago

      You’re making it sound as if the Israeli government and Hamas have equal power, which is ridiculously wrong. Though officially in charge, Hamas has almost no authority to govern Palestine or otherwise do anything except commit atrocities against civilians.

      Israel has the power to stop the oppression and genocide of Palestinians almost immediately and everything would become much more peaceful in a matter of months, maybe even weeks.

      They won’t do that though, since they’re governed by genocidal fascists emulating apartheid South Africa, some of whom won’t even accept the existence of a Palestinian people.

      • @avater@lemmy.world
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        some of whom won’t even accept the existence of a Palestinian people.

        like the Hamas? From their agenda:

        “There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.”

        • @Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
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          Read the articles I posted that explain it. Everyone sane agrees that the terrorism of Hamas is atrocious, but that doesn’t absolve the Israeli oppressors from responsibility for their own actions, especially because they’re by far the ones with the most power to enact change.

    • NoneOfUrBusiness
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      So… Let’s see, like they’re doing in the West Bank? So tell me why there are pogroms going on there?

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      28 months ago

      From wikipedia on Hamas charter:

      “There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.”

      • @Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
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        118 months ago

        Now do the quotes from Israeli government officials including Netanyahu himself advocating for a one country (final) solution to “the Palestinian problem”, nazi rhetoric intended and appropriate in this context.

      • @avater@lemmy.world
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        88 months ago

        “There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.”

        they are rabid dogs who need to be put out of their misery. But not on the back of Palestine people. But I agree there is no peace with them in charge.

        • المنطقة عكف عفريتOP
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          38 months ago

          Seems pretty reasonable what they are saying. Israel and the world ignored every UN resolution. Why shouldn’t they take up arms against Israel?

            • @orrk@lemmy.world
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              28 months ago

              let me ask you the same thing, what is your opinion on the bombing of German Cities in WW2? the firebombing and nuking in Japan?

              are you going to call the entente and later allied powers on the level of Hamas?

              • @WhiteHawk@lemmy.world
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                08 months ago

                Killing civilians is never right, it wasn’t back then, and it isn’t right now. But the big difference is that Hamas’ primary goal is to murder as many innocents as possible, not to win a war. That is why they are not on the same level.

            • المنطقة عكف عفريتOP
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              08 months ago

              No, I’m saying armed resistance is reasonable when all UN resolutions fail.

              That being said, I think the massacre committed by militants outside Gaza is one of their lowest points, and is not reasonable, and has bit them in the ass.