• BlanketsWithSmallpox@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    I am entirely convinced that this movement was started by rich oligarchy to get the poors to ‘breed’ themselves out of existence.

    People will be fucking and having kids regardless. The people who never really wanted kids anyway just fall back on this as an excuse rather than being honest with themselves or are too lame to just say no rather than feeling like they need to justify it. I’ll admit, it’s a convenient excuse that gives yourself a nice big virtue signalling pat on the back though.

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        8 months ago

        I think having kids is an entirely selfish act and anyone who has them knowing they will likely be dead in 30 years because of our decisions is a terrible person

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          Some of us had them before we knew the extent of the damage. I’ve apologized repeatedly to my kids, and they are well aware of their future.

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            Oh I wasn’t putting blame on you, you mentioned you wouldn’t do it with what you now know

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                Well, it doesn’t look good, I absolutely agree. But still, you’re no fortune teller and world history is full of plot twists. Christianity went from a strange little hippie-cult to a world religion in no time, and noone saw that coming. Germany reuniting? Not in a 1000 years, said everyone a year before it actually happened. I’m too lazy to find more examples, because this is not my native language. You get my point: We don’t know! Let veganism conquer the world, maybe! Telling your children we’re doomed feels so desperate and grim. But there is always hope. I’m not doomed at this very moment, so let’s do something! Grow a tomato, hug your child, take a walk, punch a fascist, blow up a pipeline. :)

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            One of the many reasons we weren’t able to get on top of climate change is it’s a long term process. Actions we take now, have consequences in years to come. We are making progress with the human causes of climate change, but if you’re looking at actual temperature change, the result, you’ll need to look ahead

            Similar with population growth. Previous generations couldn’t comprehend climate because it was too far in th pe future, too long term. I think it’s similar with current generation and population change. Global society has already changed to lock in a decrease in population and some countries may se enough to be destabilized, but you’re not going to see those effects yet. Look a little farther in the future for the effects, and they are there. I’d argue it’s getting to be time to try to reverse DEpopulation. Sure, we’ll grow for a few more decades until bigger generations die off and current generations of less than replacement come to dominate, but we’ve already done this. Now’s the time to make changes if we want to control collapsing population in 50 years

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              The problem is even if we 100% fix climate change we are still gonna devastate the planet, well kill off our society at the least. Like we can’t destroy ecosystems and expect no repercussions down the foodchain, we can’t keep overfishing and expect fish to still be there, and we can’t expect our crops to grow when we destroy the topsoil viability. We are fucked

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                There have always been existential threats and it’s certainly true now, but it hasn’t happened yet. A bit of a tautology, but where there’s hope, there’s hope. As long as we don’t give up, as long as we tackle the important issues ahead, as long as we can picture the society that can live past it, we can make it happen

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                Do any of you cite or do you just enjoy clinging to doomer YouTube videos with sketchy sources and a reach so far they may as well be Mr. Fantastic? Propaganda hitting y’all hard.

                Most first world nations are far above 5%. I see some 10-20 year old data that suggests around 5… we are well above that in the USA, let alone the world.

                Renewable energy generates over 20% of all U.S. electricity , and that percentage continues to grow. The following graphic breaks down the shares of total electricity production in 2022 among the types of renewable power: In 2022, annual U.S. renewable energy generation surpassed coal for the first time in history.

                https://www.energy.gov/eere/renewable-energy

                In 2022, 38% of the world’s electricity was delivered by carbon-free generation sources (nuclear, hydropower, and combined renewables), similar to 2021. The global electricity system is still mostly powered by fossil energy, but it is undergoing an increasingly rapid rate of change.

                https://www.nrel.gov/news/program/2023/how-renewable-energy-is-transforming-the-global-electricity-supply.html

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                  38% of electricity. Check here it says about 15% is “renewable” energy (which still relies on fossil fuels to be constructed) and its not like the demand for fuel/electricity is slowing down, its rapidly increasing!

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                    Nuclear is zero-emission clean energy mate… I love how you’re all just wrong, constantly, but goalposts shift again and again while you just ignore my already placed sources that cover everything you’re all talking about.

                    Be a concern troll, be a propagandist, do you mate, it’s Lemmy lmfao. Either way, to all the doomers out there, it’s bullshit.

                    The vast majority of humanity will keep going down the right path, despite apocalypticists heralding the end of civilization every year since Jesus was doing it. Avoiding the worst of 4 degrees of warming has already been mitigated and we’re on a trend to keep it going lower and lower, because people DO care about our futures, because we’re those people lmfao.

                    Climate change being real doesn’t mean having to be a jaded cynic.

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          Renewables won’t stop the oil companies from selling their product. But I’m optimistic for different reasons; ol Zuck is making sure he’s the tastiest billionaire on the menu with his wagyu diet.

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      That fails the logic test. The rich oligarchy may look down on the rest of us, exploit us, disrespect us, but they also need us and they know it. There’s a much better argument for them needing an ever growing class of the down trodden, uneducated, gullible consumers

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        People are waaaaaaaay less needed than you think mate.

        Almost every manufacturing job can be done with automation. Most other jobs comes from service industry, healthcare, education… The population stablizing on it’s own is already great, but to maintain a functional advancing civilization doesn’t require the 10.4 billion people our population is expected to stop at in 2100.

        Regardless, it’s less about getting people to not have kids so there’s less poors. It’s more about a cruel joke where the rich have tricked the poor into thinking they can’t have kids then they self defeat themselves. Meanwhile they get to keep having them and it’s the laughingrichpeople.jpg . The poor are always going to outnumber them just from a numbers game. It’s more about how funny they’d think it that the people who benefit the most from a civilization, the smartest of the lower class, aren’t having children causing them to ‘breed themselves out of existence.’