So I made a comment on worldnews criticizing Chinese activity in the south china sea and apparently got banned for it by the automod. This happen to anyone else? Is this Lemmy’s version of the need help post and the shape of things to come?

The instance I posted in was Lemmy.ml

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    Block these instances: lemmy.ml lemmygrad.ml hexbear.net

    There is no point arguing with tankies. They are dumb and they won’t change. I just hope there will be a way to completely block those users including their comments. They are polluting the fediverse.

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      I just hope there will be a way to completely block […] users including their comments.

      Remember who the developers are.

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        Yeah. I hope kbin will grow and have a decent mobile app, then I can finally move over.

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            When I tried the Interstellar app earlier, it crashed frequently. Just tried it again with the current version and it seems to be very stable now. Thanks for the suggestion.

            Is there something unique about kbin.earth? I am using kbin.melroy.org for now, which runs on mbin.

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          But… Kbin can federate just as easily with those instances as Lemmy. You shouldn’t think “I’m going to move to kbin”, that wouldn’t help in any way.

          You should rather move to an instance (using any backend you like, Lemmy, Kbin, doesn’t matter) that has defederated from the instances you don’t want to interact with.

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        They seem to be really anti-nsfw, so that could be a driving force for improving their instance blocking (and is probably the only reason it exists in the first place).

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        I got banned from some of these as well! First time I’ve ever been banned from anything lol. Guess it’s a badge of honor on lemmy

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        I got a permanent ban on lemmygrad within days of making an account, see supporting Ukraine defend itself is obviously NATO apologia. I think the problem wasn’t even my stance but that were actually convincing, they’re not blocking you for saying “fuck tankies” or making bad arguments, they keep that stuff up to make, by extension, any criticism of their party line look stupid.

        Only got temporary bans on lemmy.ml, for things such as pointing out that OP’s article itself said that Ukraine didn’t lay claim to the territories in Russia it officially recognises as “historically linguistically Ukrainian” in response to others in the thread doing the usual “Zelensky is a Nazi oppression Russian speakers” thing (never mind Zelensky being a native Russian speaker and Jew).

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      I just hope there will be a way to completely block those users including their comments. They are polluting the fediverse.

      There already is, go to an instance that defederates from them. Or try to convince your current instance to do it. Or make your own personal instance so you’re in control of what you defederate from.

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        Based on what china is doing to fishing and military boats from the Philippines, I doubt they’re just after ‘transit’. They’re making a territorial claim. Not much different from Russia’s claim on Ukraine, except that its happening in international waters.

        This is what OP was banned for. It’s not just the world news community, the admins police wrongthink across the entire instance.

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        to join lemmy.ml you need to copy and paste a paragraph from a communist text, so, no

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            Yeah I had an account there too and I set it up like every other account. Found out later on that ml was Marxist Lennin so I setup shop at lemm.ee instead

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              I never knew whether that was true, I just drifted away from it. .ml just means it is on a domain designated for Mali, but they could have explicitly chosen that domain to use it for another purpose.

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          This is blatantly not true. To sign up for lemmy.ml, you have to provide an email, name, and a couple sentences of why you’re joining. You should stop inventing false statements and spewing them on the internet. It’s not good for anyone. In fact, it makes everyone who dislikes lemmy.ml look like idiots.

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      Yep.

      Fastest way to get banned there is to give valid criticism of China or Russia.

      One of the Tankiest of tankie instances

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          Because no likey da Americans

          These morons think Iran is a bastion of anti-colonial resistance

          Iran

          The theocracy

          The successor state to one of the longest running imperial projects in human history

          The state currently organizing proxies to destabilize it’s neighbors with the intention of letting a puppet state take all of it for integration within it’s sphere of influence

          That Iran.

          Tankies have no values and even fewer brain cells.

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              A few are Canadians who think letting the prairie provinces have nice things will lead to the second war of 1812, but yeah, they’re almost always bougie US kids. Why I always call them Bougyeviks.

              All the ideology, none of the actual connection to the people who need the most help

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          Tankies love fascist dictatorships. That’s their whole shtick.

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            Yep, this.

            They are convinced they are gonna be part of the ruling class, So they fucking love fascist authoritarian dictatorship.

            The overwhelming irony is that they would most likely be the ones purged, not the ones ruling.

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          Sow disinformation about the west, erode tust.

          Now, bear in mind I’m acutely aware of the strengths of china, and the failings of the us, but when the 300lb gorilla is in your backyard eyeing your kids, you get involved with the gorilla, and keep and eye on what is happening in office politics and in the neighbours yard.

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          Because there are reactionaries. It’s like PETA or angry vegans who are in it for the moral superiority rather than making the world a better place.

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          Inability to hold nominally conflicting ideas. You can be a socialist and be against the actions of countries that claim to be socialist. Likewise you can be capitalist and be against the actions of countries that claim to be capitalist.

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        Isn’t that the developer instance? Are the developers tanki communists? (I don’t believe a real communist would want to support china OR russia since they aren’t actually communists)

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    Lemmy.ml is a tankie instance that loves China and hates western countries. Unfortunately, it’s also one of the biggest Lemmy instances because it’s run by the main devs of Lemmy (who created Lemmy because they were frequently banned on other sites for bootlicking for China). Thankfully, Lemmy is open source and the nature of how it runs allows everyone to ignore the weird ideologies of the devs.

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            alien.top is an instance that scrapes Reddit and mirrors posts and comments, creating bot accounts with the same username as the original poster. The intent was to make it easy for users to migrate away from Reddit (just claim the bot account with your username), but everyone pointed out the obvious ethical problems of mass plagiarizing and how nobody on Reddit can see any replies you make. It was also super spammy and 99℅ of the comments are from those scraper bots, so most instances defederated from them.

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              I’ve got lemmit blocked for similar reasons. I don’t really know much of it, but that lemmit bot was annoying me and I just sort of assumed the entire instance was probably just Reddit posts so blocked it

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        lemmygrad is a full-on cult, lemmy.ml is its public front and embassy, and hexbear, well, there’s plenty of idiots on hexbear, the problem with hexbearians isn’t that they’re Stalinists but that they think signal politics does anything, hence also their propensity to pile. At least in the past I think they’ve given up on doing it outside hexbear.

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        Two of them are practically dead.

        Hexbear is just the exodus of ChapoTrapHouse and a few affiliated sites from when Reddit kicked its ban policy into high gear. The Akira Toriyama Megathread and Online Movie Night top-posts seem about as sincere and good natured as anything on any other social media site.

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      Lemmy.world was the one that blocked me from calling out russian bs. And everyday its nothing but linkerbaan being busy trying to convince everyone that Status Quo Joe is the worst thing in the world bc Gaza.

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        Yeah, the linkerbaan guy is an obvious russian bot/troll, I’ve blocked him a long time ago.

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          I’m inclined to believe that they might be genuine. The comments are too well-written for a mere spam/bot/troll account.

          The sheer volume of these comments and posts does feel very spam-like though

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          Not that obvious, judging by the downvotes here and how they are the most popular poster over there. And per what ppl under u were saying, i would bet money that they are a paid actor, not a bot, though they definitely employ those as well to inflate, deflate upvotes at their discretion.

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        Yeah. He’s an obvious troll. The bigger problem is that when I’ve called him out in the past, a mod here has deleted my comments for misleading reasons. So it’s obvious that at least one of the mods does support Russian bs. Of course, there are other mods who do give him the occasional ban so he calms down a bit.

        I’ve said this elsewhere, but if you’re angry about what’s happening in Gaza, you really don’t want ‘friends’ like that supporting your cause. One spoilt apple ruins the bunch. It’s like if you run a children’s hospital that accepts donations from Gary Glitter.

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          My thing with it is, ive bwen privately/publicly bitching about the apartheid state known as Israel for the past 15+ yrs, but now, now is when everybodys taking note, when the october attack by hamas was, in part, part of a larger russian effort to draw attention away from the area in Europe they have since called a stepstone multiple times now. And now these voices conveniently ignore that US policy towards israel has always been unconditional financial/military support. But suuuure, its all bidens fault. As if the geriatric neolib picked out of a hat bc he was the closest thing to “average” for our politics over the past 60 yrs was the problem, and is if there was no chance of their being intelligence available to the president that isnt available to the rest of us.

          Support Gaza, but remember that Ukraine is where the bigger worldwide threat is.

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            Kind proud to have been banned from reddit world news (pre-API BS) for calling out the Israel bootlicker spam and downvote bot armies.

            It’s disgusting how obviously evil Israel has treated the west bank for so long that only now people care, and only now are people calling on the government to put an end to it. I recall having read an article about at least 1 Jewish community protest having been marked “antisemetic”

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      Lemmy.ml is only a tankie instance to someone that thinks Marxism=tankies

      That said, at least one of the Worldnews mods is a pretty evident Pooh Poster.

      They’ll let people call out the more aggressive bullshit “America bad” rhetoric but if you even look at China funny you’re going to eat a permaban.

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        There is nothing marxist about ml or other tankie places. They are just pure authoritarian brownnosers, and couldn’t care less about actual socialism. Tankies are purely in it because they imagine they are going to be the ruling class after their imaginary “revolution”, exactly the same way fascists are in it for.

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        but if you even look at China funny you’re going to eat a permaban.

        That sure sounds like classic tankie.

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        a tankie is someone who tends to support “militant opposition to capitalism”, and a more modern online variation, which means "something like ‘a self-proclaimed communist who indulges in conspiracy theories and whose rhetoric is largely performative.’

        I use this definition. And it perfectly applies to a wide range of lemmy.ml users and moderators.

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          They don’t oppose capitalism (example Russia & China). It’s closer to a support for authoritarianism (usually anti-USA, but even there shifts towards more authoritarian leadership receive support)

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            It’s not that they don’t oppose capitalism so much that they’ll ignore any sense of ideological consistency on their quixotic quest to make sure that everyone knows America is Bad.

            If you oppose America, you must be good, it doesn’t matter if you’re a genocidal kleptocracy or a genuine fascist. Internally this is rationalized by viewing America as the most dominant and powerful force for capitalism in the world, it doesn’t matter if other, even worse capitalists tear it down because the American empire must fall for socialism to rise.

            And it’s not like that particular thought is wrong, in a vacuum. America has proven time and time again that it will break any moral barrier to attack anyone even suspected of being a socialist, it’s just so evidentally self defeating you have to wonder if there are any true believers at all or if they’re all sockpuppets run from a Russian speaking basement somewhere.

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              It’s not that they don’t oppose capitalism so much that they’ll ignore any sense of ideological consistency on their quixotic quest to make sure that everyone knows America is Bad.

              Spot on. Whatever that’s called, that sounds like much/most of the hexbear and ml instances.

              … America has proven time and time again that it will break any moral barrier to attack anyone even suspected of being a socialist,

              Sadly, you’re right. More to the point there are many examples of the US knocking down anything or anyone even suspected of threatening capitalists. Whether that’s unions within the US, governments leaning too socialist (yet being democracies), or whatever else. I know you know this; I just felt like venting.

              it’s just so evidentally self defeating you have to wonder if there are any true believers at all or if they’re all sockpuppets run from a Russian speaking basement somewhere.

              When they all come out with new talking points about the same time, all bearing remarkable similarity, and coinciding with notable (geo)political events, and brigading certain posts, it sure makes you go, “hmm.”

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              I don’t think it’s about capitalism/socialism/communism at all for a lot of them at this point. They have a fairly simple ideology: the enemy of my enemy is my friend. And their enemy happens to be their own government.

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            its still part of Russian geoplitical strategy - shifts to the right are self-destructive and help USA’s enemies

            during the 80’s, USA pushed the USSR’s allies in South America to adopt more conservative governments as a means of destroying them from the inside, and today Russia is attempting to employ the same strategy against USA

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          I’ve literally never once seen any of these people mention a single thing about economic philosophy. It’s simply shit talking the west and defending the Chinese and Russian governments at all costs. I think the whole “communism” aspect is little more than a smokescreen.

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    For those of you asking/ curious, the reason given was ‘yellow peril’. Really? I guess my being asian and directly affected by the Chinese activities in the scs makes me somehow a threat to yellow people?

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    thanks for the heads up. I just unjoined all lemmy.ml communities, and blocked the instance. That sort of censorship is not a good thing.

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      Funny, communists always insist China isn’t communist at all, so why would they care about it being criticized?

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            Marx encouraged fascist dictatorships as a method to bring about the proletariat revolution.

            And this is why dictators love the, “give me just a little more power and once it’s secured I’ll hand it all back to the people, pinky swear” schtick.

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            If you go by the origin of the division and their definitions, they certainly are right. Authoritarian gov means centralising power. People arguing for the Ancient Regime were also pushing better for the people rethoric.

            Besides, they are supporting a state that is closest to a nazi state. russia.

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          I disagree, they’re firmly authleft, the problem is “auth.”

          Being authoritarian about leftist ideals doesn’t secretly make you right wing because “authoritarian = right wing.” Leftism isn’t “when good,” you can have bad leftists and pretending otherwise is nothing more than delusion.

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        communists always insist China isn’t communist

        I can think of at least 95M Communists who don’t insist this.

        But modern American leftists are increasingly in love with China, particularly with their HSR and Tech programs.

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        Did the Lemmy developers register the name under the .ml TLD because they are such fans of Mali? Maybe but probably not.

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    I ran into something similar a couple days ago:

    I wrote a comment critical of Chinas actions in Africa, which was silently deleted after it got traction. When I looked at the mod log, my comment was not listed. Checked back on my comment, checked the mod log from another machine. Nothing.

    Just silently and covertly removed without any trace of who and why. Has me really suspicious

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      That tracks. China’s (imperialist) abuse of Africa isn’t the message they want out there. They frame it as win-win collaboration

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        Right. More like win and give up your sovereign right and decision making autonomy on all of the world bodies.

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      You mean the comment in technology@lemmy.world about “bootleg videos of Chinese foremen in in Africa” that shows in Modlog as being removed by mod for “Racist stereotyping”?

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        Yes, that one. I don’t mind so much the removal as the odd secretiveness I observed. Where are you seeing that correct mod log? When I tried looking at the reason the removal action was not in the log, which is what my main issue is/was. I even tried from my phone and computer to the same result

        If I make an inappropriate comment (in the heat of the moment) in whatever community it’s totally fine if they remove it but I would at least like to know why.

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            So if I comment on .world, and a mod there removes the comment, I have to check my home instance mod log?

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              I see what you mean about it not showing in logs on lemmy.world. Given the “carnist rhetoric” one shows I’m betting on it being a bug. Lemmy has many bugs and Modlog federation is especially buggy from what I’ve seen.