Marc Benioff
He’s the CEO and co-founder of San Francisco-based Salesforce, one of the world’s largest software companies, which owns the popular messaging service Slack and is worth nearly $300 billion. He also owns Time magazine.
When I ask Benioff about the properties in the anonymous LLCs, things seem to take a turn. He starts speaking more quickly and fidgets with a piece of paper in his hand. He’s reluctant to go through the holdings, and his adviser on the Zoom call jumps in to say we can discuss later.
A couple of days before the interview, Benioff texted the same NPR colleague again, asking for intel on my story. Then he called me and demanded to know the title of this piece. During that call, he also mentioned he knew the exact area where I was staying. Unnerved, I asked how he knew, and he said, “It’s my job. You have a job and I have a job.” During the interview, he brings up more personal details about me and my family.
I leave the meeting disconcerted and still unclear about what exactly is happening with his land in Waimea.
The following day, I drive around with a photographer to take pictures of the town and Benioff’s projects. We go to the property he described as a community center and are confronted by one of his employees. The photographer explains we’re there to take photos of the outside of the building. Shortly afterward, I get a text from Benioff. His employee seemed to think we were “snooping,” and he says he’s escalating the incident to NPR CEO John Lansing. Lansing confirmed he spoke with Benioff, without going into detail — the NPR newsroom operates independently, and the CEO is not involved in editorial decision-making. Benioff didn’t respond to my question about the purpose of this call.
There Is No Such Thing As A Good Billionaire. Every billionaire is a cancerous tumor that needs to be removed from society.
? Bill Gates seems to be doing a good job and contributing pretty significantly to doing good.
If you make broad statements about every person in a category it hurts rather than helps your cause.
Edit: I’ve replied to many people below but noone has ready provided any strong counter arguments but keep downvoting. Not sure why, as again - everyone is just circlejerking themselves that billionaires are bad and should be killed without actually trying to have a decent discussion on the whole thing. At this point I assume people are just trolling as it seems unlikely so many people are unable to think it through logically.
The trolls are out!
Not trolls, just regular people who’ve figured it out.
are you serious lol? in what world would you trust one person with the purchasing power of entire countries?
That’s not what I wrote at all… People honestly lack such basic comprehension skills here.
What I’m saying isn’t even controversial it’s just logically correct…
then what did you write?
it sounds to me like you trust bill gates to use his piles of money for “good”, but the simply fact is nobody should have that much power. would you trust me with all of bill’s money? i promise to use it for good.
the simple fact is that humans are fallible, much like how you and i are not likely to come to an agreement here. so who is to say that bill gates (or any billionaire) has successfully defined “good”? what if he’s wrong? what if he makes a mistake? there’s very few people or entities powerful enough to stop him, and even according to you he is one of the better ones.
being rich and having more than you need is one thing, but billionaires literally have more pull than most of the planet. i don’t see why we should be ok with them having nearly all wealth on earth and “charitably” sprinkling some where they deem fit.
Let me repeat myself so it sinks in ALL. BILLIONAIRES. ARE. BAD.
Billionaires are the tumorous growths from the cancer of capitalism and should be excised with the same urgency. None of them are “good” or “okay” until they cease existing. Eating them would be a kindness they are unworthy of.
No offence, but this sort of extremist view is no different to an extremist right wing view. Replace “billionaires” with “poor people” and you get the same result.
It’s unrealistic and it’s wrong and the arguments made are pretty shallow and cherry picked.
Thanks for the video, but the guy nitpicks a lot of things and tries to character assassinate Bill Gates a fair bit on not really relevant things. I get he has to sensationalise it for more views, but it was a pretty weak argument.
Ultimately for a solution everyone needs to be realistic and work with how the world happens. Asking to remove all billionaires is cute but what I’d expect of a 12 year old trying to solve world issues. Bill Gates isn’t perfect but he’s a good start and example. Compare him to Jeff bezos or Elon Musk who are just massive fuckwits doing nothing for the planet for example and maybe you’ll understand.
Otherwise, if you really think they’re all equal then I can’t help you out of your own biases.
There are, based the latest figure I could find, globally 2,640 billionaires worldwide with a total combined wealth of $12,200,000,000,000. On the other hand you have 719,000,000 poor people, as defined by the World Bank, worldwide. Not a very fair comparison but I’ll roll with it. Just remember you chose the comparison for this discussion.
Right wing extremists want nearly 3/4 of a billion people to just fuck off versus 2,640. If this was a trolley problem which would you pick? And no equivocating or making up another option. One group dies and it’s your choice. Now choose. I choose the billionaires now and forever amen.
While he certainly makes the news “fun” the information presented is based on the sources listed in the description. For some reason they never mention this exists in the description for all their videos but it does. Have a looksy.
Now, tell me what we, the world at large, would loose if all the billionaires just stopped existing. What amazingly meaningful glorious thing would we loose?
The primary bank rollers of various fascist groups?
Aw man! I broke my tiny violin so I can’t play a sad song. Drats!
Aw shit… My dude…he didn’t stutter…there are no good billionaires
They have taken advantage of mechanisms that siphons money from the working class. By default they’re not good people. Once you’re old and aging, spending SOME of your massive fortune to try to leave a benevolent legacy, which in itself is selfish, does not make you a good person.
People change, and there is a difference between doing charitable work later in life VS not doing any charitable work at all.
If you take a completely utilitarian view, you’d actually argue you need to become a billionaire in order to become charitable at a significant level because realistically at an individual level you’re going to do fuck all.
I’m not making a point that his efforts haven’t helped some people. I’m saying that he’s not a good person, even if his money later in life has had some positive effect. A billionaire donating to just causes, to me, is like: if you robbed a bank, putting all it’s employees out of work but then you donate a few hundred bucks to each said employee. Sure, it helped them but you’re part of the problem.
The funny thing is that even the Gates Foundation is actively causing harm on a massive scale. It’s funding charter schools as a way to kill public education, pushing for circumcision in Africa without a meaningful scientific basis for such a program, or lobbying against vaccine patent waivers. People forget about that because it also is the PR arm of the Gates empire.
Think of all the things we could address through cooperation instead of having to wait until a billionaire fucks enough people to have money to do the same thing should he suddenly decide to become charitable.
Billionaire cucks are outlandishly stupid
Yeah man, there is no good in the world, everyone sucks! I love me some black and white thinking with no nuance.
You sure do.
You are lost
They’ll certainly never understand when everyone just insults them or write them off immediately just because they have a different opinion or don’t know the same information
Agreed. I don’t have the wisdom yet to reach such a view rooted in such different understanding. They think it’s charity when someone takes everything and gives a little and I see it as indignity.
Unfortunately it was the tools used on me to mold a understanding. I never was shown much patience or empathy with my views and it’s tough learning how to give it. In my day if 100 people told ypu you are wrong one would start to beleive it. Now a days everyone is galvanized and my way of teaching isn’t just not useful it’s more galvanizing. I’ll work on it soulg!
100% wrong in all ways. I’m not sure how hexbear does their macros but pretend I posted “shut the fuck up liberal” with Stalin’s eye’s glowing red.
I’m quite left leaning.
But there’s always going to be extremists either way, and just blanketly saying everyone with money is evil is moronic/extremist left.
It’s also ironic you mention Stalin because that turned out so well… 😅.
“left leaning” in America means you are a conservative. Don’t toe the line. State plainly what you stand for.
I want Full Communism Now. As an American I believe private ownership of almost all corporations should be abolished, and airlines, railroads, car company’s and the agricultural Sector should be immediately Nationalized, with the current executives and share holders wealth seized.So I reiterate, shut the fuck up liberal.
Genuinely curious how you think communism would work this time even though it’s never worked anywhere else?
I’m not American, I’m in another country…
But yes, full communism is insane. I am not interested in creating worse systems that are fundamentally broken. I honestly don’t know if you’re trolling or just uneducated, but have you not seen Russia? Because that is what happens with communism.
No, it’s not that they failed to implement it, it’s because it’s a fundamentally flawed system that always fails.
It’s also ironic you mention Stalin because that turned out so well…
While there are legitimate criticisms of the guy, particularly his lack of support for the Chinese and Korean struggles, they’re entirely negated by how well 1917 and WWII turned out given the circumstances.
Though I’m sure you wish they turned out differently.
they’re entirely negated by how well 1917 and WWII turned out given the circumstances.
Like hell they are.
I do not have sufficient historical context to form a strong opinion on his advice to the Communist Party of China that got them eviscerated in the 20s, and again in the 40s or the lack of support for Korea, and other mistakes, but I’m certain you have even less.
Dude killed way more people than Hitler my guy
I would say not all millionaires are bad because not all of them gain their wealth through exploitive practices. Plenty of them are just retirees that have worked all their lives and shouldn’t have to work anymore anyways.
On the other hand, it’s literally impossible to become a billionaire without exploiting a truly absurd number of people. It’s that scale of exploitation that makes billionaires categorically a plague on society. If you can’t see that then you’re certainly not left leaning in any sense.
I agree that they do get there by exploiting people sure.
Is there a difference between someone like Jeff bezos and Bill Gates though? If you say no then I can’t help you. If you can see the difference then we can continue the discussion because exploiting people at one stage in your life and then trying to make up for it later is inherently good in my opinion.
Put another way, do you think once you’re a criminal you’re always a criminal? There is no chance of redemption and of being a good person?
Is there a difference between someone like Jeff bezos and Bill Gates though?
Yes, Bill Gates has better PR. That’s literally it. He’s not actually trying to do good at this stage in his life. It’s a testament to the power of his wealth that you think otherwise.
Then you are a fool if that’s the only thing different. Here, have a read: https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbeswealthteam/2023/01/23/americas-top-givers-2023-the-25-most-philanthropic-billionaires/
You must be too young to remember when Bill Gates was the one person the entire world could agree was a worthless asshole.
If you need a primer: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lFS9DFXtj1M
Yeah, the bill and Melinda gates foundation does a lot of good work. Doesn’t mean bill gates is a good person but maybe there are some billionaires higher on the arsehole scale.
The real story is the stupid shit he pulled by trying to bully and intimidate a reporter and a news organization.
that’s called staying a billionaire
During that call, he also mentioned he knew the exact area where I was staying. Unnerved, I asked how he knew, and he said, “It’s my job. You have a job and I have a job.”
So the tech CEO’s job is… checks notes …spying on journalists?
His job is trying to sound all tough and intimidating yet achieving nothing except making himself look even more pathetic.
Are all of the properties connected? When Bill Gates built his house he used a bunch of shell companies to buy up all the lots that became his estate, so that the owners didn’t realize there was a big project planned there by the richest man in the world and demand higher prices.
Zuck did the same on Kauai
Unlimited money and still pulling shenanigans so that they don’t have to pay it to other people.
What’s worse is he bought the land that native Hawaiians got as their birthright, but said native Hawaiians were poor and desperate, so they sold it to him. They didn’t know that they were selling to one of the richest people on the planet who could afford to pay them more. I don’t think Zuck is well liked by the locals out there.
Fuckerberg isn’t liked by anyone.
They got wealthy by making smart decisions like these. They’re not trying to avoid paying a fair price, they’re trying to make sure they don’t get gouged when the buyers realize how deep their pockets are. I would challenge you to consider whether your statement was made with reason, or with a learned hate for those wealthier than you.
They got wealthy by having enormous incomes from their very luck-based positions in life, and continually exploiting people around them. Sure, they made some smart decisions along the way, but smart decisions alone don’t make a billionaire, and billionaires make stupid decisions all the time. Let’s not pretend they’re worth a hundred billion times more than everyone else because they’re a hundred billion times smarter. They’re greedier, less ethical, and often criminally malicious.
But if it’s worth more because you need it to complete you doomsday bunker than fair market says you can ask for whatever is fair and the other side willing to pay.
Hiding your intentions may be smart but it’s also very much trying to avoid paying a fair price.
I don’t understand… Was he morally obligated to disclose the fact that he wants to build a large underground structure for some reason? Does that change the fact that they have land they want to sell, and he wants to purchase it?
Morally? No of course not. Morals don’t exist really just shared rules.
Which that’s what is failed by using lots of hidden companies in shells that are hard to source back. If he was buying the land himself anyone could say yes and take whatever was offered but also they can do due diligence and bargain for more since that land means more to the rich man collectively than it does separately to landowners before.
It takes away the ability for those who are not as capable but just as smart to be informed and potentially collective bargain should they want to do so. It puts all the negotiation power on one side and isn’t fair to an open informed market.
That is some serious cuckery right there. Why in the fuck would you want the world to be owned by people who can never be held responsible for who they destroy? They’re not going to love you. Ever.
The only reasonable way to deal with them is tax everything over $500 Million at 100%. NO individual should EVER have this much power.
They’re not trying to avoid paying a fair price
Bullshit
It’s from Walt Disney and their Disney World playbook.
So this guy is going full Bond villain and no one but this reporter is calling him on it, got it.
And he’s trying to intimidate the reporter by threatening her family and her job.
Gee, way to not act suspicious. Guess he is all in on intimidation as a means of control.
You act like this wouldn’t work on literally every other major media outlet besides NPR…
The billionaire club is a small club, we’re not in it and they don’t give a single fuck about all of us out together.
Just what the people of Hawaii need, another rich person snatching up precious land on an island that already has a high cost of living.
CEO is not involved in editorial decision-making
Heh, I love it when a rich idiot gets shut down by some good ol’ journalistic ethics. “No, you are not special, Mr. Benioff.”
Shout out to that NPR reporter for not being intimidated
New special sex island?
Volcano lair, obviously.
To store barrels of other countries’ toxic waste, obviously.
Isn’t this super obvious, he’s going to try to buy the island wholesale make it private and declare tacit sovereignity like he’s a dole or some shit.
Might be worried about domestic conflict, I am, and I think everyone should be pretty concerned about the end of this year.
Why would Hawaii be safe?
Maybe because it is isolated, and they can buy enough space for a buffer from conflict. I dont know, I have never been there or know much about it. Seems like a nice place to hold out the apocalypse.
Islands generally are not good places to be during climate change or resource shortages
Yup, every time I watch a zombie movie or series I always think how nice it must be for those on an island out in the middle of nowhere.
He is probably just jealous of Larry Ellison
Or Jeffrey Epstein.
Wrong ocean
Or Zuckerberg.
Man is he the reason Salesforce has a weird “Hawaiian” theme in their offices.
Doomsday bunker, there, I solved it!
Yeah. I mean, if I had the money I’d build a retreat there too. Like a big one. Good transport, reliable commerce, great weather. The only down side is it’s expensive. But if I’m a billionaire what do I care how much a banana costs?
