• Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    Versus someone who would be even worse for Palestinians and Americans? No, I won’t blame Biden if people let Trump in over the issue of Palestine. Because it means they were fast asleep between 2016 and 2020.

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      Thats what fucking matters. Do you want to fucking beat Trump or not? Whats your priority here? Running Biden or beating Trump? You have to pick one.

      There is a genocide going on now not later. Joe Biden has had multiple opportunities to stop the genocide he is currently supporting and has not. This isn’t a hypothetical. If Israel is allowed to continue, by April, there won’t be a Palestinian people in Gaza to consider. They’ll have been starved/ bombed to death, by Israel with the explicit support of Joe Biden.

      Do you not fucking get it?

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        Joe Biden has had multiple opportunities to stop the genocide he is currently supporting and has not.

        So, are you claiming that if the United States stops sending some military aid to Israel, Netanyahu will be unable to continue military operations in Gaza? Because if so, you are sorely mistaken. Israel’s military is perfectly self-sufficient, and if you think they particularly care about some UN resolutions, you need to talk to some Israelis.

        American support in this is not a significant factor in the outcome. Joe Biden could not unilaterally stop Israeli operations in Gaza unless he declared war on Israel and deployed troops, and I can assure you that isn’t going to be happening. Not to mention, China, Russia, India, Europe, and all of South America also exist. Americans do not unilaterally decide everything that happens or doesn’t happen in the world. We’re not that important.

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        4 months ago

        There’s another genocide going on now in the U.S. that people like you don’t seem to care about and which Trump will absolutely make far worse.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_genocide#United_States

        Because the genocide of queer people in the U.S. apparently is far less important and if Trump gets into office, has already planned and made clear that it will be far worse.

        But who cares about queer people in America, am I right? Just let them die.

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          So we’re just completely changing the subject?

          Just seriously ask yourself if you want Trump to be president again. If the answer to this is “No”, the look at the data and see how Joe Biden is doing. He’s doing fucking horribly. He’s losing this election and we haven’t even had the convention yet. His support is very low and is dropping. If you insist on proceeding with Biden as candidate, you are insisting on a losing proposition.

          If you are concerned about queer rights, you better figure out a better option than Biden, because by the numbers, he’s not going to win in November.

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            Pointing out that you are ignoring a genocide in the U.S. that Trump and his people want to make worse is not changing the subject. It’s pointing out that you’re ignoring a genocide. Which you are.

            But please tell me who I should vote for to stop that genocide. Give the name of the candidate that would get enough votes to beat Trump.

            Because if you wanted someone other than Biden, you shouldn’t have waited until after the primaries started.

            But go ahead- give me a name.

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              Millions of Palestinians are facing starvation right now. They will be dying en-masse before the end of March if something doesn’t change. Joe Biden is supporting this. He just lost There is no equivalence happening within the borders of the United States, except maybe our prison system. Yes the Republicans are setting the ground work for a genocide of queer people in this country. We have to stop them. Insisting that we support a candidate who is clearly losing the election is no way to do this. We can’t afford to lose this election and insisting that Biden be the nominee is insisting we lose this election.

              Uncommitted just won two delegates in Michigan. Biden will not win this election unless he massively shifts his position on Gaza.

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                4 months ago

                You haven’t given me a name.

                People like you never give me a name.

                If we have to stop them, who should I vote for instead of Biden?

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                  You haven’t given me a name.

                  People like you never give me a name.

                  What are you on about? Stop changing the point of the conversation.No one is personally attacking you. We’re talking about what its going to take to keep Trump out of office in 2024, and we disagree about some key points. Why are you making this about you? How narcissist are you? Its creepy and weird. Stick to the points of the conversation please.

                  like you

                  And what is that? An advocate for peace and justice? Someone who wants to not have Trump in 2024, no matter what (even if that means Biden isn’t the nominee)? What assumptions are you making?