So I just discovered that I have been working next to the waste of oxygen that raped my best friend several years ago. I work in a manufacturing environment and I know that you can’t fire someone just for being a sex offender unless it directly interferes with work duties (in the US). But despite it being a primarily male workforce he does work with several women who have no idea what he is. He literally followed a woman home, broke into her house, and raped her. Him working here puts every female employee at risk. How is that not an unsafe working environment? How is it at even legal to employ him anywhere where he will have contact with women?

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    Because he’s either innocent until proven guilty or he’s served his time. You can discuss it with HR and express your concerns about him, but unless he’s continued to behave predatorily he’s likely just only going to be subjected to increased scrutiny

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      The last time he raped someone he was in prison for less than 2 years. Considering that wasn’t his first offence I highly doubt that changed him. Also HR is already aware. Apparently they fired the last person who brought it up to them.

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        Oh then yeah I’ve got no fucking clue, firing the last person who brought it up absolutely should be illegal.

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          Depends on the details of why they were fired. We’re obviously only getting one side of the story here

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        1. Be in an industry and location where finding a backup job is not impossible
        2. Record yourself telling HR you’re afraid for your coworkers and yourself
        3. Email HR a summary of your meeting

        Optional subsequent steps

        1. Get fired
        2. Take the audio to a labor attorney who will take your wrongful termination case for free
        3. Profit
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        Repeat offenders are the one I’d be worried about, america isn’t known for functioning reform system.

        I hope your friend can heal, sorry for what your dealing with

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          functioning reform system

          Sounds like you want them staying a Club Med and being waited on hand and foot. Gimme a break! Jk it is an absolute catastrophe and the US should know better since it’s such a fucking pro at locking up about 1/200 citizens. (!!?). sorry.

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        Where I work, most positions do not require a background check so we have a mix of people (men, women, trans, nonbinary) with criminal convictions, including sex offenders.

        The only thing that matters is their behavior in the workplace. You get fired because of attendance or poor performance.

        The biggest problem people at my workplace are the people who try to make someones past an issue.

        Also, your statement that you “highly doubt that changed him” is very telling. Basically it shows that you are the one with the problem. Unless you have firsthand knowledge then you are trying to justify your negative feelings.

        Maybe this last time changed them. Maybe they got help. Maybe they’re in therapy and are trying to change.

        This person and your employer are under no obligation to do what you want when there is no justification other than your own personal judgement.

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      Because he’s either innocent until proven guilty or he’s served his time.

      presumed innocent until proven guilty… Is a procedural doctrine for courts. It doesn’t change the reality of whether or not the individual committed a crime.

      You murder someone, you’re a murderer, regardless of if you have really good attourneys or you’re really good at hiding the body, etc. the presumption of innocence it to protect the rights of accused people; but has no bearing on actual guilt- even if the court of law finds them not guilty.

      while the guy presumably has served his time and deserves fair treatment… the OP is also justified in raising this concern with management. Not that management will do anything, because they’ve already determined it’s not a problem. They will, perhaps, accommodate the OP in scheduling them on opposite shifts or placing them away from him.

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        It doesn’t change the reality of whether or not the individual committed a crime.

        But YOU cannot know that “reality” unless (either you are the judge or) you have knowledge of the court’s verdict.

        Calling someone a criminal without any such knowledge is a false accusation.

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          Calling someone a criminal without any such knowledge is a false accusation.

          Wut?

          So. Carrol wasn’t raped by Trump, until 2023?

          And therefore Carrol was falsely accusing Trump of raping her until the court made the decision?

          Sorry. That’s bullshit. Also, did you catch the part where he has multiple convictions for rape, apparently?

          The point I’m trying to make is that a company’s HR team are not a court of law and don’t- and in fact, can’t- operate on the standards you are asking.

          They can k my make a reasonable attempt at being fair, and will usually end up doing what’s “best” for the company. They don’t even have to be right. Nevermind moral.

          What those standards are basically impossible, considering what you would find moral, what I would find moral; and what… let’s say law-and-order-died-red-republicans would find moral.

          What the company has a legal obligation to do? Protect their employees from a hostile work environment. How that goes… I don’t know. Whose right here and whose not… I don’t know.