That has more to do with the history of Global North/South and Neocolonialism. Not the reality on the ground or what’s morally right.
I’ve already linked info to what extent there is evidence Hamas uses human shields. You’re also referencing this call, no coercion.. Well, here’s some information that is verifiable. Or you should look into some New Historians, they know far more than me.
Yeah bud I know. Until October 7, I would have agreed with you. The tunnels are forfeit now. They have to go. Sucks that the Palestinian people let Hamas undermine their homes and schools with unsafe tunnels and then used them to launch one indiscriminate terrorist attack on Israel after another. October 7 was the end of the line for Hamas.
Because the people didn’t get rid of Hamas and the tunnels and put an end to the terrorism themselves, now the tunnels have to be destroyed by the neighbor. If they call ahead and tell everyone to get away from the building, that’s valid under any legal or moral standard for warfare.
Nothing I’ve said excuses the actual war crimes committed by groups or individuals in the IDF. Israel will prosecute them pretty fairly and fairly aggressively. Maybe they might even throw the fucking book at them to help shut down some of these wildly exaggerated narratives.
While I don’t think there is evidence of genocide or genocidal intent, that could change if, after destroying Hamas and the tunnels, Israel were to do things such as fail to rebuild the housing, hospitals, and schools it has destroyed in order to get to the tunnels. That’s part of Israel’s duty as a neighbor: Before October 7, I viewed Israel’s occupation and control over Gaza as illegal annexation. But the tunnels are forfeit now and since the very foundation of the cities themselves make the ground above structurally inhabitable, now I consider it irredentism. The Palestinian people have no capacity to govern or rebuild without their neighbor’s good will, at this point.
As a Democracy, I have hope that the Israeli people are people of good will and will make right what can be restored.
You’re excusing the war crimes of Israel starving the people of Gaza of food, water, electricity, and basic medical care while they bomb residential homes, critical public infrastructure, safe zones, and refugee camps. The decades of brutal occupation, the deprivation of basic human rights of Palestinians.
You’re failing to recognize how groups like Hamas exist in the first place and you’re failing to recognize how this repeated forced displacement, unending bombing, and deprivation of fundamental needs is not how those groups go away.
The tunnels are a result of the blockade blocking necessities along with Israel controlling water, electricity, sea, air, movement, etc.
The one where Hamas isn’t running from the Palestinian people in utter fear for having caused and prolonged their suffering under things such as the dual use policy. Instead, Hamas is more popular than ever. It’s inexcusable. Their ideolgy is one of far right authoritarianism, which makes your profile commentary an absolute joke. Again, wondering why you’re here siding with the diplomatic corps of Iran and North Korea, against those of Canada and Japan, France and America. Truly bizarre how twisted up you are.
I support Palestinian emancipation, not the actions of Hamas. You’re confusing geopolitical interests of countries that want to weaken the global power of the US and humanitarian interests in Palestinian people to have basic human rights. I guess Ireland is also siding with North Korea if your view is that simplistic. Most of those countries you mentioned just want to weaken the US foothold in the middle east and soft power and don’t have a genuine interest in Palestinian emancipation. You’re the one getting it twisted
Have the civilians been giving warnings to evacuate again and again? Yes. Do they stay behind to die as voluntary martyrs to draw sympathy? Yes.
Those are the facts. And they aren’t doing because they want to “see America weakened” or whatever bs you think you know about. The are doing it because the self determination of individuals through representative government is antithetical to their entire sense of identity and being, you know, rich customs such as stoning women to death for learning too much math and other atrocities.
You think Palestinians like to get killed for Internet fame? That makes no sense, you have no idea what a martyr is here, it’s anyone who dies from the occupying forces.
Your argument boils down to “it’s their fault they died because they wanted to” and “they deserve it because of their backward views” none of which are based in reality. I’ve given you a huge variety of sources you can easily verify on your own accord. Yet you consider that a ‘trick’ unlike the official IDF narrative supported by many western media outlets despite a record of falsified information. Even Biden has literally repeated IDF talking points such as the 40 beheaded babies, until it was quickly proven false and walked back.
That has more to do with the history of Global North/South and Neocolonialism. Not the reality on the ground or what’s morally right.
I’ve already linked info to what extent there is evidence Hamas uses human shields. You’re also referencing this call, no coercion.. Well, here’s some information that is verifiable. Or you should look into some New Historians, they know far more than me.
For your convenience:
Plan Dalet and Declassified Massacres
1967 war Declassified
Israel Martial Law and Defence (Emergency) Regulations
Palestinian Prisoners in Israel and Military Court
Child abuse of Palestinian prisoners
Gaza March for Return Protest
Palestinians lack civil rights
Occupation and 50 years of dispossession
Arab League advocating for unified state 1948
Palestinian Arab Congress advocating for Unified State 1928
Hamas founding charter and Revised charter 2017
One State Solution, Foreign Affairs
10 Myths of Israel
History of peace process
How the US became the ally of Israel
Arab Israelis are not equal including Education (2001 report)
Apartheid
Human Shields including Children (2013 Report)
Settler Violence
Torture and Abuse in Interrogations
No freedom of movement
Gaza Blockade is Occupation
Water control
Yeah bud I know. Until October 7, I would have agreed with you. The tunnels are forfeit now. They have to go. Sucks that the Palestinian people let Hamas undermine their homes and schools with unsafe tunnels and then used them to launch one indiscriminate terrorist attack on Israel after another. October 7 was the end of the line for Hamas.
Because the people didn’t get rid of Hamas and the tunnels and put an end to the terrorism themselves, now the tunnels have to be destroyed by the neighbor. If they call ahead and tell everyone to get away from the building, that’s valid under any legal or moral standard for warfare.
Nothing I’ve said excuses the actual war crimes committed by groups or individuals in the IDF. Israel will prosecute them pretty fairly and fairly aggressively. Maybe they might even throw the fucking book at them to help shut down some of these wildly exaggerated narratives.
While I don’t think there is evidence of genocide or genocidal intent, that could change if, after destroying Hamas and the tunnels, Israel were to do things such as fail to rebuild the housing, hospitals, and schools it has destroyed in order to get to the tunnels. That’s part of Israel’s duty as a neighbor: Before October 7, I viewed Israel’s occupation and control over Gaza as illegal annexation. But the tunnels are forfeit now and since the very foundation of the cities themselves make the ground above structurally inhabitable, now I consider it irredentism. The Palestinian people have no capacity to govern or rebuild without their neighbor’s good will, at this point.
As a Democracy, I have hope that the Israeli people are people of good will and will make right what can be restored.
You’re excusing the war crimes of Israel starving the people of Gaza of food, water, electricity, and basic medical care while they bomb residential homes, critical public infrastructure, safe zones, and refugee camps. The decades of brutal occupation, the deprivation of basic human rights of Palestinians.
You’re failing to recognize how groups like Hamas exist in the first place and you’re failing to recognize how this repeated forced displacement, unending bombing, and deprivation of fundamental needs is not how those groups go away.
The tunnels are a result of the blockade blocking necessities along with Israel controlling water, electricity, sea, air, movement, etc.
The “humanitarian corridors” are ethnic cleansing
Nah you just got tricked.
Which source are you referring to?
The one where Hamas isn’t running from the Palestinian people in utter fear for having caused and prolonged their suffering under things such as the dual use policy. Instead, Hamas is more popular than ever. It’s inexcusable. Their ideolgy is one of far right authoritarianism, which makes your profile commentary an absolute joke. Again, wondering why you’re here siding with the diplomatic corps of Iran and North Korea, against those of Canada and Japan, France and America. Truly bizarre how twisted up you are.
I support Palestinian emancipation, not the actions of Hamas. You’re confusing geopolitical interests of countries that want to weaken the global power of the US and humanitarian interests in Palestinian people to have basic human rights. I guess Ireland is also siding with North Korea if your view is that simplistic. Most of those countries you mentioned just want to weaken the US foothold in the middle east and soft power and don’t have a genuine interest in Palestinian emancipation. You’re the one getting it twisted
You and Ireland got tricked.
Have the civilians been giving warnings to evacuate again and again? Yes. Do they stay behind to die as voluntary martyrs to draw sympathy? Yes.
Those are the facts. And they aren’t doing because they want to “see America weakened” or whatever bs you think you know about. The are doing it because the self determination of individuals through representative government is antithetical to their entire sense of identity and being, you know, rich customs such as stoning women to death for learning too much math and other atrocities.
“Everyone who disagrees with me has been tricked” /s
You think Palestinians like to get killed for Internet fame? That makes no sense, you have no idea what a martyr is here, it’s anyone who dies from the occupying forces.
Your argument boils down to “it’s their fault they died because they wanted to” and “they deserve it because of their backward views” none of which are based in reality. I’ve given you a huge variety of sources you can easily verify on your own accord. Yet you consider that a ‘trick’ unlike the official IDF narrative supported by many western media outlets despite a record of falsified information. Even Biden has literally repeated IDF talking points such as the 40 beheaded babies, until it was quickly proven false and walked back.
The democratic country of Ireland got tricked? Hmm. What makes the UK trick-averse?
Who stones women to death for math? 😬