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    10 months ago

    The democratic country of Ireland got tricked? Hmm. What makes the UK trick-averse?

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      10 months ago

      Yes it’s true. The UK is not trick averse, as with Brexit. A lot of people there, as in America, are angry want to see the violence stopped. I am too. I just don’t think the violence should stop until Hamas is gone and the area can be rebuilt safely.

      It seems clear to me why Irish leadership has more sympathy with Hamas than than folks in the UK. Do you need me to explain their history?

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        I just don’t think the violence should stop until Hamas is gone and the area can be rebuilt safely.

        Do you think they can actually remove Hamas with this strategy they are using now?

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          10 months ago

          No they cannot defeat Hamas using strategic bombing alone. The strategy is evolving. Already the bombings have slowed way down. Pretty soon it will be man to man combat followed by at least a few years of martial law during reconstruction.

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            10 months ago

            And how will that look for the Palestinians there “in a few years’ time”? 🤔

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              10 months ago

              I don’t see any other way forward in Gaza in the short term. Do you? It will look awful for a while but with light at the end of the tunnel. The foundations of the three largest cities were turned to Swiss Cheese, and are completely uninhabitable from a structural standpoint. I imagine the cities must essentially be paved over and rebuilt.

              The tunnels are unprecedented. I don’t know that anyone knows what it looks like or how they will deal with pressing concerns such as restoring arable soil. I know Palestinians in Gaza have no institutions in place to address any of these concerns. Hamas should have thought of these innocent people who would suffer the reconstruction before it sold out their foreseeable futures to kill 1,300 Israeli civilians and first repsonders. I know Hamas was super popular in Palestine on October 8.

              I’ve said that the Israeli people are going to need to accept their obligation to restore Gaza and its people and that’s going to start with the upcoming elections and whether the Likud party maintains its narrow margin. I have hope they will do the right thing.

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                I don’t see any other way forward in Gaza in the short term. Do you?

                Literally a fucking ceasefire.

                It will look awful for a while but with light at the end of the tunnel.

                Except for the Palestinians who needlessly had to die

                The foundations of the three largest cities were turned to Swiss Cheese, and are completely uninhabitable from a structural standpoint.

                Thanks to Israel.

                I imagine the cities must essentially be paved over and rebuilt.

                Literally admitting that Israel destroyed homes and infrastructure: a fucking war crime.

                Hamas should have thought of these innocent people who would suffer the reconstruction before it sold out their foreseeable futures to kill 1,300 Israeli civilians and first repsonders. I know Hamas was super popular in Palestine on October 8.

                Would you like just for one second in your life hold Israel (a so-called democracy) up to the same standards you hold Hamas? If Hamas can’t and shouldn’t kill 1,300 Israeli civilians (btw like 1/3 or something were military personnel, and the number was revised down to “1000+” whatever that means), then Israel shouldn’t do the barbaric crap they are doing now that I have no words for.

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                    10 months ago

                    Give them rights… why is this so hard for Israel??? Why is their “self-determination” tied to the complete erasure and genocide of another group of people!!!

                    Eh screw it I’m out, I’m done, like done with this for good. I gave you a chance, said to myself that this guy/gal have some hope for scepticism in them. I think I was wrong.