• @Buttons@programming.dev
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    556 months ago

    The Colorado lower court also found it was an insurrection, but that an insurrection didn’t disqualify a person from running for President (because of some very specific wording in the constitution).

    So both sides in the case appealed and now here we are.

    • @shalafi@lemmy.world
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      276 months ago

      Knowing it would be appealed, no matter the ruling, the lower court found it was an insurrection. The next court had to take that as a factual finding. They could not argue or retry that question. It is now a legal fact.

      Brilliant move! That judge took one for the team, called a coward and a traitor. And you see what we have here today. (insert wasted.meme)

        • @Reddfugee42@lemmy.world
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          That’s not how American courts work?

          Nope. The court of appeals can find fault with the methods, procedure, precedent etc but not the facts.

          (Also, that’s not how question marks work.)

            • @Madison420@lemmy.world
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              If it’s decided by the lower court it is held as fact. It may not in your opinion be correct but it is verifiably a fact at this point.

        • @Katana314@lemmy.world
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          46 months ago

          Lower court: “We find that since the man was found dead from dehydration, he must have been killed by the accused’s witchcraft that sucked his fluids!”
          Higher court: Looking at a body covered in bruises from a long fall “I’m sorry, what…?”

        • @Madison420@lemmy.world
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          Not fact finding they can kick it back to lower courts and say try it again but if the lower court says no they’re stuck with it.

      • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet
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        646 months ago

        Good! That criminal shouldn’t be in charge of a Popsicle stand, let alone the most powerful country on earth.

        • Drusas
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          226 months ago

          How can SCOTUS even have jurisdiction when the Constitution specifically gives the power to oversee elections to the States? This seems more like it should require Congress to change the Constitution if the federal government wants the power to supersede the decision of the Supreme Court of Colorado.

          • @tacosanonymous@lemm.ee
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            166 months ago

            States are allowed to make their own rules but they aren’t allowed to contradict the US Constitution. Since the US Constitution is subject to the political leanings of the current court, who tf knows what’s ever going to happen.

            • Drusas
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              116 months ago

              I know I’m preaching to the choir here, but they are following the Constitution in making this decision. The Constitution does not require a conviction.

              • @TootSweet@lemmy.world
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                46 months ago

                I mean, three of the SCOTUS were appointed by the guy who tried to coup the U.S. government and a fourth is married to someone who also tried to coup the U.S. government. I don’t think it’s so much about whether the arguments why they “can’t” overturn it are good arguments or not at this point. It’s like telling a pidgeon to stop shitting on the chess board because shitting on the board is not a legal move in chess.

            • @Madison420@lemmy.world
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              06 months ago

              It has no constitutional implication aside from the state constitution. The supreme court can’t touch that issue.

          • Osa-Eris-Xero512
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            16 months ago

            Wouldn’t scotus ruling one way or the other, due to this being 14A, also automatically apply to the other states?

          • @TootSweet@lemmy.world
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            26 months ago

            Reuters:

            The Colorado Supreme Court paused its own ruling pending review by the U.S. Supreme Court, which Trump said he will immediately seek.

            NPR

            Justin Levitt, a constitutional law professor at Loyola Law School, told NPR that as long as there’s a petition for U.S. Supreme Court review in place by Jan. 5, there’s a “99.9%” chance that Trump will remain on the Colorado primary ballot.

            AP

            The court stayed its decision until Jan. 4, or until the U.S. Supreme Court rules on the case.

            If a) Trump seeks review, b) SCOTUS agrees to take up the case, c) SCOTUS overturns Colorado’s Supreme Court’s ruling, and d) all that happens in time, then Trump will appear on the Colorado ballot.

              • @TootSweet@lemmy.world
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                26 months ago

                The U.S. Supreme Court “can’t” take up the case in the same sense as Trump “can’t” incite his base to storm the capital building. But that didn’t stop him.

                And as I’ve said elsewhere in this thread, we’ve got three Trump appointees on the SCOTUS plus a guy whose wife took part in the January 6 rally and endorsed the attack on the capitol.

                I hope you’re right (and I’m not saying there’s a 0% chance it won’t get overturned – not that it’s going to make a difference whether Trump wins the general election in 2024 either way) but I fear we’re living in a world where “can’t” doesn’t necessarily mean “won’t” and where the U.S. Supreme Court may be totally willing to flout the rules.

      • stinerman [Ohio]
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        16 months ago

        Colorado Republican Primary ballot for sure. I haven’t read the decision, but that was the immediate effect.

        I don’t think there’s any way the SCOTUS will let this stand.

    • @Beetschnapps@lemmy.world
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      https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/

      “States rights”

      You start out in 1954 by saying, “n*****, . n*****, n*****” By 1968 you can’t say “ n*****”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “ n*****.”

    • @Facebones@reddthat.com
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      36 months ago

      Until a republican doesn’t like that right, in which case TRAMPLE EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM WHERE’S DADDY FED 😭

  • @cooopsspace
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    56 months ago

    What are you gonna do? Insurrect the state next?