Tuberville failed to mention that he’s personally prevented hundreds of officers from being promoted because he disagrees with a 2022 Pentagon policy.

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    And you helped make it that way, cunt.

    I am so exhausted of this fucken asshats.

    There has got to be some recourse for us people.

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      These individuals are like having repairmanman from All That show up and announce something is broken, then expect to be paid and praised to repair it but pocketing the cash and running.

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        He is so obviously compromised by external interests he should be removed from office. What logic is there to this? Let him stay up there and fuck our military just because? Is it because he was democratically elected and you can’t just remove them? I don’t understand how theres such rampant and blatant corruption and nothing is being done.

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          I think Tuberville is trying to keep all these positions open so Trump can appoint loyalists to them should he take office in January 2025. This way, Trump can better guarantee that the military will do what he wants it to do instead of having pesky “morals” ingrained by people who know what they are doing.

          • @Sanctus@lemmy.world
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            That “project” should have been the end of the Republican Party when it became public. We are really fucken out here about to be consumed by fascism and people are okay with it. This shit doesn’t go away. The entire party is compromised now and forever. You can’t ever trust they aren’t on a Russian payroll trying to make a coup happen again. Nobody seems appalled by this and even worse, some applaud it.

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              I relate. I’m appalled. I also don’t know what to do about it. If they pack the military with loyalists we’re in trouble, yet they’re on track to pull it off somehow. It’s terrifying.

              • @Sanctus@lemmy.world
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                What I truly think at this exact moment. Its too late. They’ve stated civil war if Trump doesn’t win, and him winning is not a good thing. A lot of institutional things tend to die quietly and the aftershock isn’t felt for a while. I think we’re experiencing one of these institutional deaths, the death of our functioning democracy. Keep both eyes on any MAGA you know.

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                  I’ve written off most of the magats that I’ve known. Many that I’ve known that supported Trump early on have turned their backs now and feel stupid about ever supporting him. I’ve lost all respect for anyone still supporting that weak ass man baby and have cut ties. If they want a civil war that badly then I suppose we’ll have it. I hope they’re ready for gun soaked America. It wasn’t only right wingers buying guns under the loose current structure.

                  May I suggest we tear down all the confederate monuments after we win this time, starting with Stone Mountain, GA?

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              I agree. Had you asked me years ago (before Trump), I would likely have argued that the Republican party could still ditch their extremist elements and return to being a sane party. (Conservative, but still sane.)

              I’m not sure if I was naive or if they’ve gotten worse, but I definitely wouldn’t say this about them now.

            • @Eldritch@lemmy.world
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              One little niggle. They aren’t in league with the Russians. Their goals often appear to align. And believe me Russians are useful to the people Republicans are in league with. But it isn’t the “Russians”. It’s the wealthy. All the ones that we know of. And especially the ones who hide their wealth.

              • @Daft_ish@lemmy.world
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                We call that the oligarchy and for them they don’t live behind any boarders. Truly stupid of us to put our livelihoods in the hands of people who have no loyalty to any nation. For example wealthy Americans hide their wealth in off shore accounts to avoid laws and regulations here in the states. Laws and regulations put into place to govern their wealth. In this way they flaunt their country and show they are not loyal to anyone but themselves.

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            Trump could not appoint enough loyalists to high command to do anything other than sow chaos. The top brass ain’t going to play his games. Full stop.

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          fuck our military just because?

          Nope, that’s just the cover. Remember how they prevented Obama from appointing federal judges and a Supreme Court seat, then speed-marched every possible conservatively-vetted candidate through as soon as they got the Senate?

          Now remember how the military did not support Trump’s ambitions on January 6th? They’re determined to stuff the military with proto-fascists so that the next coup will have military backing.

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            I hope there are two critical flaws with their plan.

            1. Having enough loyalists to fill most positions

            2. Everyone else in the military

            They have to secure all the top positions, which I think thankfully are filled already. Without that, the chain of command overrides all the loyalists appointed. And if they do decide to disobey orders, I think we’d see more soldiers rebelling against obviously installed political lackeys than against institutional leaders.

            This is all conjecture that I hope is the case, but I could be totally wrong about. I’d like to think that most of the military would have no respect at all for political appointments nor lower ranks getting vastly promoted for their politics.

            And then on top of that, the people who were passed over for promotions are not going to be pleased, and most of them are already in leadership positions. Asking them to attack the American people against their oaths and on behest of someone who snubbed them is doubly unlikely.

            But again, I might be being too optimistic. It’s impossible to know unless it happens, which we would rather not be the case. It pays to stay wary and prepare for the worst while still hoping for the best.

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          At this point he’s so blatantly compromised and everyone knows it that he should be charged with treason and given the appropriate punishment.

    • @guacupado@lemmy.world
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      There is recourse, but no one wants to go to jail for the rest of their life afterward. Things are still too good to go that far.

        • @aidan@lemmy.worldM
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          Why would competition continue to exist if the precedent of being able to abolish the competing party ever holding office were already set?

          • @abbotsbury@lemmy.world
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            precedent of being able to abolish the competing party

            Nobody said that, quit arguing with things in your head honey

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              Read the first comment in the thread. Or learn reading comprehension.

              Or I suppose you can continue spouting random shit and appending honey at the end.

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                honey you are seriously reaching if you choose to interpret “should not be allowed into office” as “we must abolish them”

                should not vs shall not, ironic telling someone else to practice reading comprehension

                • @SCB@lemmy.world
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                  Or I suppose you can continue spouting random shit and appending honey at the end.

                  Dude it was right there

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                  A political party which should not be allowed into office, is what? Turning a major political party into your high school group is not abolishing. Trolling has to have a limit man.

                  Edit: as I was typing this, I reread your comment and realized you have chosen option 2. Well played, and good luck.

          • @WaxedWookie@lemmy.world
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            What’s the value of a party that refuses to represent the people they’re charged to, restructures the economy to let them ransack it for personal enrichment, remove rights from people, refuse to do their job, remove protections, allowing businesses to run roughshod over the people, and manufacturing a panic about CRT, ANTIFA, immigrant caravans, Jewish space lasers, stolen elections, Trans people?

            Wouldn’t replacing that with a party that represents voters better than the Democrats - let alone the Republicans be nice? It’s not as though the GOP is even popular - it’s only gerrymandering that gives them a shot at power - when did they last win the popular vote in a federal election?

            • @aidan@lemmy.worldM
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              What’s the value of a party

              That people votes for them, and we cannot remove them because we dislike them.

              Wouldn’t replacing that with a party that represents voters better than the Democrats - let alone the Republicans be nice?

              No, because only the voters can decided who represents them, not us.

              It’s not as though the GOP is even popular

              Majority? No. Popular, yes, its just wrong to say otherwise. They still get 10s of millions of votes.

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                  That is not how a representative legislature works. If it were just about majority rule than the executive and the legislature would be put in one office that is elected by a simple majority.

            • @aidan@lemmy.worldM
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              They said “should never be allowed to hold office again” which implies legal prohibition of them holding office.

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            Because we currently have two right-wing parties and no left-wing parties that are competitive.

            • @aidan@lemmy.worldM
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              That depends how you define left and right wing, which is not really something that has entirely agreed upon definitions.

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                Lol, according to whom? They’ve been clearly defined for decades. Political scientists don’t like it as it’s a two dimensional axis that lacks the ability to more accurately describe political views, but there’s no question on what it means.

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                  That’s not entirely true. The definition of left and right wing generally isn’t followed when actually applied. My personal way of defining it, is that most people consider left-wing = socialism, so imo the more socialist it is the more left it is, the more free market it is the further right it is.

                  Oxford says this for right wing:

                  the section of a political party or system that advocates free enterprise and private ownership, and typically favours socially traditional ideas; the conservative group or section.

                  So, how exactly, is Nazism far-right? They did not advocate free enterprise at all. Same with fascists that are corporatist. Yet, people like Richard Spencer are called far-right, because they’re racist? That makes a term like far-right a pejorative and not actually describing an ideology.

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            Look, as an non American I want to try and explain to you that at this point if you don’t have more then two parties there is almost no chance that you will after it is reduced to one. You needed to have more then two parties all the way back when the bull mouse was a thing. It is too late now.

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                I don’t think a one party state with internal factions can be called a democracy. I think you are describing something like China.

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                  The different factions within the CCP are not based on ideology but instead on power.(Generally with the exception of maybe some like Zhao Ziyang) Furthermore, the major factions repress minority factions.

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            That’s not the precedent though. The precedent is that parties that try to subvert the U.S. citizens should be disqualified immediately. That includes the current republican and democratic parties.

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            As of 2020, six parties have members in the federal parliament of Russia

            Do you think, by your measure, that America will ever achieve the same level of democracy as Russia?

            Or is it possible that your conclusion doesn’t follow from the premise?

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              I never said more parties means more democracy. I did say prohibiting the primary opposition party from holding office was less democracy.

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                You mean we should tolerate insurrectionists because we must hold up the principles of democracy until the bitter end, at which point they will eviscerate them?

                It’s a wildly bad take, I’ll be honest. And hopefully you see how you missed my point.

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                  You should ditch the electoral collage and legally dissolve both parties allowing the formation of new parties.

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        Nobody said anything about wanting a one party state. We just don’t want anyone to vote for a certain fascist party.

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    His actual complaint is:

    “$114 million on diversity training, you gotta be kidding me,” Tuberville said.

    “We’ve got the weakest military that we’ve had in probably a year in my lifetime,” he added. “Now we’ve got a lot of good military people, but infiltrating our military is all this wokeness and it’s coming from the top, coming from Joe Biden, coming from Secretary of Defense Austin.”

    First, if it works, it’s encouraging better decisions and increasing team effectiveness. I have no idea if the US military is doing a good job with this or not, but if they’re doing it right they are building a better military way more cost effectively than one more fighter jet or whatever we would be using the money on.

    But even if they’re not doing the most effective form of training, it’s 0.0075% of the defense budget. It’s $40 per person employed by the department. That is extremely average for diversity training.

    And lastly, this isn’t like, new. The military has been doing diversity research and training since 1971. I’m sure Biden has some input if he wants it, he un-did a Trump ban on some training with an executive order, but I don’t think the question of budgeting $90MM vs $114MM goes to “the top” at all.

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      “$114 million on diversity training, you gotta be kidding me,” Tuberville said.

      What an idiot to choose to say this.

      How much has it cost the military in lawsuits and defending racism, harassment, sexual assault, and every other form of behavior that homophobes, racists, and misogynists perpetrate on those around them. How has that affected leadership, personnel readiness, quality of work? Betcha that cost is far higher than some shitty hot take on “OMG the military is soft…”

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        It is a mistake to assume the right wing cares about facts. They don’t use words to find or describe truth. They use them for effect.

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        DoD budget is $1.52 trillion btw

        I think we can handle 1/10,000th of our budget being spent on not being shitty to fellow military members.

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      I can’t believe more of Tuberville’s former football players haven’t came out calling out his racist bullshit, there’s no way this guy wasn’t this bad while he was coaching.

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    The purpose of conservatives preventing promotions is so tRump can install/promote his hand-picked leadership within the military when the time comes. This will allow him to use the military against U.S. citizens if/when he becomes president.

    When he tried to use the military against U.S. citizens during his previous term, he was stopped by military leadership. They refused. Next time, he will have complete loyalty. Conservatives are setting the stage for him.

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      This is what they should be voicing in the articles and Democrats should be calling him out for it and forcing Republicans to remove him.

      Because your exactly right. Not only did Trump demand the military anytime there was a protest he also wanted to do stupid shit. Like tanks driving down the white house road during one of his speeches. They stop that too.

      Trump talks about how much he loath the military because they wouldn’t bend to his will.

      Between project 2025 and this they are making sure Donald Trump dictatorship goes through and his will or the will of the real GOP of fascism is realized. 50 years conservatives have been planning this take over and if we don’t vote for Biden and he wins. Then Trump does and America is fucked.

      Then it will be civil war because I will refuse to live in a country under a christofascist dictatorship run by Trump.

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        Like tanks driving down the white house road during one of his speeches. They stop that too.

        Mostly because the tanks are way too heavy for any road in DC. Seeing one crush through Pennsylvania Ave and into the metro underneath during his speech would have been even funnier than Putin and his one-tank parade.

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          Yes I heard why they said no. But he was still pissed about it and wanted those tanks. Wonder if he do it again with his new military. Have tanks rolling through American cities. Especially blue ones.

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    The US Navy has more heavy aircraft carrier groups than the rest of world combined. The US has 11 out of 22. It also has the world’s largest and most advanced air force. Old US Army equipment is working wonders for Ukraine against Russia, the supposed next best military.

    Not to mention the US has a massive arsenal of working ICBMs and SLBMs.

    I’m sorry, but nobody stands a snowballs chance in hell against the US military.

    Regarding Iraq and Afghanistan, nation building and occupying are two different things. Kind of like ruling verses obtaining power are different.

    ETA: Think about that during presidential elections.

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      The US has 11 out of 22.

      This is only a partial picture.

      The US has 11 supercarrier groups that individually rival the power of most nation’s entire airforces. These are unrivaled by anything else in the world.

      The US additionally has 9 America and Wasp class amphibious assault ships that have an airwing capability that rivals most other nations’ carrier groups. The Navy plans for this force to eventually be made up of 11 America class ships.

      So the reality is that the US’ secondary aircraft carrier capability rivals that of the rest of the world combined. The total power disparity of the combined supercarrier and amphibious assault fleet is mind boggling.

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      You’re missing the bigger picture imo. All that military might is going to be under the control of people handpicked by Trump, if he’s elected and project 2025 goes to plan. Why do you think Tuberville is creating all these vacancies.

      Tuberville isn’t doing this for shits and giggles.

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      Regarding Iraq and Afghanistan, nation building and occupying are two different things. Kind of like ruling verses obtaining power are different.

      Even the Taliban are having issues here.

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      If the number is 11 out of 22, it doesn’t have more than the rest combined. It has the same number as the rest combined. The rest is right. Also, remember the best air force in the world is the USAF, the second best air force in the world is the USN.

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    This is the best version of the ‘Eric Andre shooting someone that he then blames for being shot’ meme I think I’ve ever, ever seen.

  • @TheJims@lemmy.world
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    He obviously doesn’t work for America like so many other Republicans. Fuck Alabama. Fuck Auburn too

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      Always support a fuck Auburn even in serious discussions. But dont let Ole Miss off the hook, if they never employed him he never gets hired by the weagles, I hated him back then because he was a smarmy prick. Didn’t think I could hate him more to be honest

      Edit: for clarification I’ve never been an Alabama fan or citizen either

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    This is the sort of thing that happens when you have people who proclaim that government doesn’t work in that government. They say the system is broken, and hope you don’t notice that they have been deliberately breaking it for years.

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    Imagine having your military undermined by a washed up football coach. I have to hope that this sentient pile of damp laundry gets what’s coming to him eventually.

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        Finally, someone who says it like it is. Don’t forget conservative “news” entertainment. Fox and New York Post need to go in the dustbin of history too

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        thats some bs. if churches are eliminated then all clubs and groups need to be as that is what they are. Take away thier non profit status or stop allowing non profits to be tax free. As for radio again who says its conservative or even talk radio. abolish it all? common man. now regulate media like we did in the 70’s. that would be great. so no company can own more than one of each thing for a region (tv, radio, newspaper, etc)

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        Eh there are some cool churches. Eliminate the conservative doomsday cult ones

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    This football coach from the ivy leagues has the audacity to pretend to know what military service is like without having educated himself at the bare minimum nor actually serving to provide a serious opinion on the matter.

    The fact this incompetent malcontent continues to receive the support of his constituents is truly representative of how unbelievably fucked humanity is.

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      This football coach from the ivy leagues has the audacity to pretend to know what military service is like without having educated himself at the bare minimum nor actually serving to provide a serious opinion on the matter.

      I remember when McCain was the last living member of the legislative branch to have served or had family (his son) actively serving in the military. I fully agree with you, when this shitstain decided to make a remark like that, it needs brought up that he is wholly ignorant about the US military and is just parroting the party line in some kind of weak ass political jab. He’s a fuckstick, and so are his voters.

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      AL resident here - he doesn’t get as much direct support as you might think. Most of the state votes straight red without even reading the names, so he only needs enough support/bullying competition to get through the primaries.

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      Ivy league? Ivy League doesn’t mean prestigious, and even if it did, it would not describe any of Tuberville’s institutions.

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        More a reference to his inherited wealth and social stature as opposed to just his education and work background.

        I am heavily implying that the man himself is worth less than trash and he only has the job because of nepotism

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          Dude, fuck you. That’s two things that I learn about Tuberville because you don’t know what words mean.

          Tuberville did not benefit from neopotism nor is he Ivy League.

          He’s a piece of shit apart from these buzzwords you’re misusing.

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              I don’t know the word for phenomenon that anyone who achieves fame somehow has a shot in republican politics (Tuberville, Kari Lake, Mehmet Oz, the Obvious, etc.), but nepotism isn’t it.

              Maybe you’re not pissed that Kushner was on the federal payroll, but if you are, calling everything “nepotism” is playing into the hands of people who are trying to keep your mind spongy.

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      Yeah, I hate those sociopaths who are all like " if you treat me with respect I’ll treat you with respect."

      When what they really mean is that if you treat them as an unquestioned god, they won’t be as nasty as they could be.

  • @Additional_Prune@lemmy.world
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    So where is the mob of MAGA patriots ready to storm the Capitol and run this guy out of town on a rail? Hello? taps mic Is this thing on?

  • @BigMacHole@lemm.ee
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    So? It’s not like Pro America Republicans will vote him out even though he’s causing the United States to have the weakest military he’s ever seen!

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      I’ve heard it theorized that the strategy is intended to starve the military of officers so that Trump can fill the vacancies with loyalists when he regains the White House. Essentially, it is the military equivalent of Project 2025.

      It’s not a bug. It’s a feature.

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        I hate that you’re probably right.

        They did not with the Scrotus, they’re doing it with the military

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    Ah, the old chestnut of causing a problem, and then blaming it on someone else. Republican leadership is a Jonestown suicide cult, and they want all of us to drink the kool-aid.