It is still irritating though. It really does seem like Micah gets held on every single play. Like… multiple literal chokeholds a game…
You could point to all the great pass rushers, I see it all the time against JJ and Q on the Jets because I watch them more, but you also see it constantly against Crosby, Hutch, Watt, Garrett, Bosa…
Feels like the inconsistency just removes the advantage of having great pass rushers. That is a literal game changer for the Jets because you know damn well the Offense isn’t gonna do anything, so to see your DL getting mugged just makes it, like you said, irritating.
Good lol
The plays that look like chokeholds are usually not actually holding. You get to that position usually when the pass rusher does a rip move, which basically pushes the O-lineman’s arm up into a position where they have to either disengage or wrap their arm around the pass rusher. There’s an exception in the rulebook for those plays.
As a fan of a player that loves them: still. There are holds on those players, and the league doesn’t call them.
Aren’t those only holds if the OLine takes the Dlinemen to the ground?
This is every good pass rusher on every team. And every person who bitches about it roots for a team who’s OL holds non stop
“The NFL fined Micah Parsons $150,000 for unsportsmanlike language”
The automatic first down penalties need to be abolished,
League bails out certain teams in the 4th quarter every week .
They should change some penalties so they give yardage but don’t change the distance for a first down.
For example let’s say it’s, 3rd and 5 at the 50 and the defense gets an encroachment penalty. Normally it’d be a first down, what I’m suggesting is that it stays 3rd and 5, but now at the 45 yard line.
You’re getting downvoted but you’re completely right. Most defensive penalties that occur prior to or after to a play should move you further up the field without changing the yards to go.
That’s a reasonable take. Even though there would be some drawbacks to your proposal, I really don’t understand why everyone downvoted you.
I don’t think that is the fix. I think the biggest fix is bailing out bad offense with a penalty. An under thrown deep ball to a sprinting wideout is the most common. Qb throws a bad pass defender plays it perfect if it was a good pass. But it wasn’t so they get a massive penalty. In those situations they need to change the rule to account for officials discretionary rulings of uncatchable. If a ball is thrown behind a receiver sprinting full speed with a db and he suddenly stops to try and catch bad ball it shouldn’t be dbs fault.
Exactly, When a CB has blocked out a WR from the ball that is the WRs problem. This coming back thru the CB for a penalty is BS.
Every. Single. Week.
Crucial drives that are in a 3rd down for certain teams always get a defensive holding, illegal contact, or a very late thrown PI flag that gives an automatic first down, which then changes the outcome of the game.
There isn’t an equivalent for the defensive side… like, imagine offensive holding meant 5 yard penalty and automatic 4th down.
It’s demoralizing and game changing
Closest is intentional grounding.
Every fucking week
“…and a cool $1mil for tossing up the deuces while saying it”
gotta PROTECT the SHIELD
Micah fails to realize the more he bitches about refs, the less likely they are to actually call holds that benefit him
Uh-oh. Are we on the Luka track already?
I’ve accepted it’s useless, the mf will not stop tweeting. Once the mf openly admits to having a foot fetish when he absolutely did not have to you know he dgaf
Once the mf openly admits to having a foot fetish when he absolutely did not have to
You know how many fucking unsolicited feet pics he must get now? If that’s his deal, it’s almost certainly working out for him
Well he’s actually a father and still dating Travis Kelce’s ex, so he probably isn’t looking to hard at those
No he’s a genius, just think of the numerous foot products he may get to endorse bringing attention to feet .
Will Levi’s put mayo in his coffee and 1 viral YouTube later m
He got a lifetime mayo endorsement deal and is a brand ambassador for Helmans mayo and their parent company.
Up to that point, it was the most lucrative deal signed by any QB in his class .
How is this bitching? I guess he is acknowledging that the missed holds exists, but everyone knows that. It’s not a secret. Seems like he’s either agreeing or at least understands their reasoning for not calling every single one.
Its also boring when shit offensive play gets bailed out late with some grab ass PI call that was allowed throughout the entire game
I feel like they need to use the “the ball was uncatchable” a lot more on the DPI calls.
Offensive holding is the worst.
It can be called on every snap…so the refs can use it to control the flow of a game. Sometimes they swallow their whistles.
Worst is when “Team A” is expected to win by a decent margin but it feels like the league wants a nail-biter. They’ll start calling holding on every big play Team A gets so that they stay in 3rd & long situations. Team B hangs in the game long enough to make it interesting. Refs will throw some random penalties at Team B later in the game to even up the flags.
Team B gets a bunch of ticky tack calls and thinks the league conspired against them late in the game. Team A feels like they got a bunch of momentum killing calls early…and would have blown out Team B otherwise.
This is part of the Chiefs game plan.
We have benefitted from 5 dpi in 2023. The average team is 5.75.
https://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/defensive-pass-interference?year=2023
He didn’t say you are doing a good job executing the game plan /s
Or defensive holding. Especially if it’s in a big game in a crucial situation that essentially ends an exciting game in the most boring way possible. Just as a hypothetical and I’m not still mad at all.
Such as a certain Super Bowl game
Hey now that strategy kept Matt Canada working for 2+ years
We’re actually below league average on the number of PIs called on our opponents. You generally have to pass downfield to get PI flags and Canada doesn’t stand for that nonsense.
This penalty that suspiciously hurts the public money, brought to you by Fanduel
Doesn’t Fanduel make the same money either way because they set the lines so that there is approximately equal money on either side? I really don’t know anything about the industry except for how my father explained bookies to me 40 years ago.
No. Sportsbooks inflate the line and odds for favorites and popular teams, then rely on those teams not covering the inflated line and losing more than the odds would suggest.
That’s why you inflate lines on popular teams, so the money equals out. They never said it was statistically fair.
The goal isn’t for the money to equal out on both teams. If they did that, they would have less total bets and make less money, because people like betting on favorites. The goal is to make as much money as possible by having as many people as possible bet on a slightly inflated favorite.
Exactly. If they don’t and 90% of the bets are on the popular team, then the book looses big when the popular team wins.
It would be interesting to see a book be completely transparent about it and open the betting at even odds then move a point in the opposite direction every time the bets get off balance. Of course that would be annoying as a better deciding what to play only to have it constantly change.
While I am no bookie either, I believe that when a line shifts, that’s the purpose of it, to encourage more money on the other side. If I had to guess, they make a lot of money off of people betting the over on player props and point totals because it just feels bad to root for an under.
Me watching my $2 go down the drain after the gators let Florida state run one in at the end of the game last night
Oh, you mean every 4th quarter during chiefs games? That’s their best play for converting a crucial 3rd and long!
This sounds oddly familiar. Can’t seem to put my finger on it, though…
I disagree. I don’t care if every game ends 10-6 I’m interested in actual play not fake bullshit to pump numbers up.
Honestly the NFL doesn’t really care about us too much, I bet. We’re here talking about football in an online forum minutes before football is on. They already got us.
This is a good way to make sure the refs never call a hold in your favor again.
What’s offensive is bad reffing
Unironically this
Just wish there was at least consistency. Like it’s become more about when you are called for holding. First down after an incompletion? Not a problem for a lot of teams. On a 20 yard completion on 3rd and 8 on a ticket tack hold that makes you think the ref knew he’d call it prior to the play? That’ll kill a drive and possibly flip a game
It would be offensive for the players to follow the rules. I agree.
#firegoodell
“He got caught on his arm for a half second! That’s totally the same as my guy bear hugging the opposing player for the whole play. Why don’t they call it both ways?!” - Typical fans
Then why have the rule in the first place. Just allow holding and be done with it b
Coaches probably tell them to just hold since the refs aren’t consistent enough but I get what Micahs saying. Last week he got hit in the face mask 2 feet from the back official and they didn’t call it. Something like that would irk me too
if you tend to see and talk negatives, this question isnt for you. If you enjoy exploring the world of imagination, heres a wild one for you
what would playbooks look like, if there was no penalty for holding? Lines freeze each other out, then what?
yes, this is strictly video game territory, just to imagine what would happen
Outside runs, lots of draws and late developing play actions off of them. Another feature would be that you can run or pass out of any situation because the lines not moving means no illegal man down field.
Defensively the slot blitz would be the best play in football
The whole “refs would be throwing flags the whole game” comment is so nearsighted. Maybe that would happen a few games, but 10 yard penalties are absolute drive killers, call enough of those and offensive linemen will begin not relying on refs to overlook holds.
The same goes in reverse for defenses too, obviously. Defensive holding and late PI calls are getting flagged randomly or at the will of the ref rather than every time… call it every time and watch how quickly players adjust and stop trying to get away with breaking the rules.
I’m going to say something controversial here: i think you’re both tapping into the idea that the refs just need to be consistent. Either call it or don’t, but do it the same way the whole time. You’d definitely hear fewer complaints about the officials if they just called things (or let things go) consistently.
Agreed 100%. I’d take calls being made consistently as a stepping stone to better officiating. But ideally they would call all penalties and force players to adjust/play within the rules rather than just be consistent with what they do or don’t call. But I’d still take consistency in games, and across different ref crews, over what we have currently without question.
It’s intentionally put into the refs hands to keep the bookies happy. Refs work for vegas.
Usually it seems like the most egregious holds happen when the OL gets beat so bad they are trying to give the QB enough time to escape, if they actually stopped holding there’d probably be a lot more QB injuries. I think in the current state of the NFL, OL talent is outmatched by DL talent, and letting them get away with holding tips the scales a bit back so they’re more evenly matched.
I agree it’s total bullshit though, either call it every time or make it legal. Deal with the consequences. Letting the refs influence the game whenever they feel like it is wrong.
I would like to see how making it legal on both sides of the ball would play out.