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Her Instagram post, translated in the link:
“Come on settlers, we will slaughter you. We are waiting for you in all the cities of the West Bank. What Hitler did to you was a picnic. We will drink your blood and eat your skulls”
She has since been arrested:
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The right wing orthodox settlers are indeed really fucking annoying to witness from the outside. It must be beyond infuriating to be their victims.
A crude yet understandable statement from a person who was born, grew up and lived her whole life under such horrible circumstances of occupation and racism, especially now that the movement of ultra-racist, right-extremist, illegal settlers gets supplied with weapons by the government to murder Palestinians in the west bank to chase them out of their homes, in an attempt to expand Israel once again.
I do not support violence by either side but is it really so hard to understand her perspective?
Yes, yes it is hard to understand threatening to drink someone’s blood and eat their skull.
Ffs this seems like the easy answer
World is not easy but rather complicated, sorry to tell you …
She obviously used a rhetorical overstatement to emphasize her propaganda/message there, right? What´s so hard to understand about that?
I do not support violence by either side but is it really so hard to understand her perspective?
yes. everything. especially the blood drinking, terrorist supporting and the fucking hitler reference.
That´s obviously a typical case of overstatement in war propaganda …
No shit. Still her statement gross the shit out of me and is completely incomprehensible.
Apply context maybe? Pretty easy to comprehend then …
@Nacktmull @steventhedev Exactly @Nactmull Pretty sure anyone in her position would be saying less than kind things about their oppresor…and Texans would be DOING less than kind things to them
When did Texas get involved?
@Nacktmull Texas didn’t. I’m using it as an example.
Consider that Texas was once part of Mexico, and imagine if a group of militant Mexicans tried to seize Texas back for " historical" reasons. Now imagine how well Texans might react to that.
It’s a reference for Americans to look at Israel versus Palestine
I see what you mean and agree. I think an even better example would be the first nations seizing back the USA from the european occupiers. In that example there even is a “justification” by genocide involved (probably in the Texas/Mexico example too but idk that much about it)
Do you have a limit at where the bloodlust stops being understandable? I, for one, have never felt remotely angry enough to think drinking blood looks good. Shooting people in the head, sure, but eating people? Hell no.
Do you have a limit at where the bloodlust stops being understandable?
In an endless exchange of atrocities like this, sadly there seems to be no limit for bloodlust and hate because both sides are caught in a self amplifying loop of revenge. Please be aware that understanding something does not equal rating it in any way.
I, for one, have never felt remotely angry enough to think drinking blood looks good. Shooting people in the head, sure, but eating people? Hell no.
That´s probably a crude overstatement used as a rhetorical element in her propaganda statement and not meant literally, right? Pretty easy to understand imo.
In the context of a war where atrocities are being committed every day and the video is available to watch I don’t think that somebody saying ‘I want to join in’ can be dismissed as rhetoric. When someone tells you who they are you should beleive them.
Afaik she is a political influencer only and does not take part in any combat at all.
Now, imagine Jews having this sentiment towards Nazis during WW2.
After all, they’re doing to Palestinians what Nazis did to them.
I think a better comparison is the Berlin Wall. Palestinians have blue and green pass cards that dictate where they can go. Or even a Separate But Equal, ala American segregation. I mean Palestinians are limited to certain hospitals, denied utilities and free travel. They drive on separate roads, walled off from the Israeli roads.
… But then thats just the ones outside Gaza. Gazans can’t leave and spend their days in abhorrent poverty, now while dodging bombs.
Really?
They’re rounding up Palestinians, making them dig a trench, and using it as their mass grave after mowing them all down?
They’re putting Palestinians into showers and gassing them all?
Don’t get me wrong: what Israel is doing is absolutely atrocious. But the Nazis engaged in a deliberate effort to depopulate Europe’s Jews. In 1933, there were about 9.5 million Jews in Europe. The Nazis murdered 6 million Jews, and only stopped because they lost the war. In 1900 there were ~590k German Jews. Only about 28k survived the holocaust.
If Israel were trying to replicate the holocaust on the Palestinians, they’d be doing a shit job of it. The Palestinian population has grown literally every year, despite all the disproportionate retributions. The situation in Gaza is terrible and Palestinians have faced a lot of repression, but it’s not really very similar to the Holocaust.
Weird how both you and the other guy have prepared statements already to deny that this is a Israeli genocide of Gazans just like the Holocaust was the German genocide of Jews.
They are on the same level. You don’t want to admit that because you’re trying to defend it.
Nazis also denied they were committing genocide for as long as possible. It was a good tactic to round up as many Jews as possible before people caught wind of what was going on.
They are on the same level. You don’t want to admit that because you’re trying to defend it.
I’m not saying Israel is good, here.
I’m saying that the depravity of the Nazis was next level. That they were completely inhumane monsters. What have you seen that even comes close to something like the sheer depravity of Josef Mengele? The industrialized death of Treblinka? The Nazis literally wiped out the entire Jewish population of Kyiv overnight; over 30k people were massacred in a single event, buried in a particular ravine and only 29 people managed to escape.
What israeli massacres have you seen that even come close to that? I’m being serious, here. Bombing a refugee camp or sniping kids at a protest is pretty fucking bad, but it’s not nazi bad.
Oh really?
Can you show me where the IDF had a doctor take two Palestinian twin children, cut open their backs, sew them back together back to back?
Or infect one twin with typhoid and then do an organ transplant from that one to the other?
Does an IDF doctor have a wall of different colored eyeballs harvested from Palestinians?
Remove their bones, muscles, and nerves without anesthesia?
Maybe attach a 7 year old girl’s urinary tract to her own colon?
The Holocaust is in its own category for a reason, and just because it’s become posh to compare literally everything to it or Hitler doesn’t mean that those things are actually comparable.
Genocide is genocide.
Correct. But not all genocides are the Holocaust.
I’m sure that’ll be really comforting to a child whose family got shot by settlers in the West Bank.
Right, but unless those children are then being put in ovens and burnt to ash, it’s literally not a Holocaust which gets its name from the type of animal sacrifice in antiquity where the whole animal was burnt to ash.
That’s why the Holocaust is called the Holocaust.
We can still talk about genocide as a bad thing like the Armenian genocide, or Russian actions in Ukraine, or what happened in Rawanda, etc.
But none of those were Holocausts, and neither is this.
Not even close.
It’s close enough that they should know better.
Which line would they cross that you would consider too close?
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If Israel WAS intentionally targeting civilians
I guess you’re just ignoring them openly admitting targeting refugee camps and schools.
Keep up the mental gymnastics, you’re doing great
Edit: Forgot to mention the journalists they’ve been targeting as well.
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Gunning down journalists isn’t the “sad reality of war”. It’s an intentional war crime that also helps them control the narrative so people like you will get tricked into thinking the IDF isn’t a barbaric organization that kills indiscriminately.
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You replied about the schools, but not the refugee camp. Does that one make you uncomfortable?
If that’s the case, why do they suck so much at it?
Assuming you’re naive and not trolling, it’s to maintain plausible deniability. Just look at what China is doing. They’ve slow rolled their genocides and the world is largely turning a blind eye. Bibi wasn’t clever enough to realize that though apparently.
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So, up untill warsaw getto was ok?
Crazy that people here immediately believe its her that posted this when the Jerusalem Post reports it. It’s a random account in her name with a widely available picture, it not hers
Crazy that they provided proof that it was her account. I guess her coauthor tagged a random account in her name with a widely available picture.
If you’re so certain it wasn’t hers - what was her instagram username before she closed it?
Person says they are to the right of Hitler… They should be treated like other Nazi.
Really hurts the Palestinian cause and people amplifying this might be doing it in bad faith knowing it poisons the well
Easier explanation: She didn’t post it, it’s an obvious fake designed to put her in jail.
are you serious?
Ah yes, JPost, which definitely doesnt have skin in this game. Especially considering she denied the post lmao.
Even then, maybe dont settle and kill her family if you’re gonna be pissed at her response.
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Yeah, she’s not helping anyone.
Daft cow
How would you deal with armed settlers kicking your family out of your home at gunpoint? Sounds like you don’t understand the situation in the West Bank, a location with negligible Hamas presence. Over 50 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli settlers and IDF agents sent to help them enforce their colonization.
How would you deal with armed settlers kicking your family out of your home at gunpoint?
Not by saying “What Hitler did to you will be like a picnic”.
Still haven’t told me what you’d do. Answer the question directly instead of deflecting. Imagine your family has been run off their ancestral home and your father was shot in the head by Israeli settlers. Imagine then the IDF backing these settlers up, giving them government approval. Now be honest and ask yourself if it would be easy to remain reasonable and understanding of the opposition at this point.
The way they express this idea is violent and unacceptable but the sentiment didn’t appear in a vacuum. The circumstances that breed this have been very deliberately placed upon Palestinians by extreme Zionists in the Israeli government.
Why ask a question that you know the answer to but you don’t like?
Would you also think it’s unreasonable to evacuate when a volcano eruption is imminent in your ancestral home or do you insist to fight the eruption until your last men dies?
Would you also think it’s unreasonable to evacuate when a volcano eruption is imminent in your ancestral home or do you insist to fight the eruption until your last men dies?
Are you likening the wanton destruction Israel is propagating the specific scenario you replied to, both of which are decisions made by men, to a natural act of destruction which cannot be controlled or fought against?
Because that would be a comically bad metaphor.
No. I crafted my answer in a way that made it more difficult for you to deflect. Can you answer?
I crafted my answer
…poorly.
I’m asking for a real answer not myopic snark. I didn’t ask what you wouldn’t do, I asked what you WOULD do. The irony of you accusing that other person of being disingenuous when that’s your entire perspective. Pathetically transparent.
Israel isn’t an earthquake or a volcano. They are a government run by humans. Unlike a natural disaster, they can dial down the brutality anytime they want. Like the other commenter said, your analogy is so fundamentally flawed it’s amazing you’re defending it with such unearned confidence.
How about instead of a volcano it’s a ship of Europeans trying to enslave your people and take your land? You probably don’t like that because it doesn’t let you absolve the Israeli government of responsibility for their own human decisions.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Palestinian political activist and terrorist supporter Ahed Tamimi called for the murder of settlers in the West Bank in an Instagram post on Monday, according to Israeli media.
“We are waiting for you in all the West Bank cities from Hebron to Jenin - we will slaughter you and you will say that what Hitler did to you was a joke,” she wrote on social media.
The 21-year-old became famous following the distribution of videos and photographs in which she attacked IDF soldiers in several incidents in her home village, Nabi Saleh.
Tamimi was arrested after she was filmed slapping an officer and kicking him during confrontations in Nabi Saleh, with her mother and other young women by her side.
She was convicted as part of a plea deal and also admitted to two additional charges of interfering with a soldier and incitement.
Her violence toward IDF soldiers has created fame for Tamimi in the Palestinian community.
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The 8 months sentence is a fucking joke.
Sooooooooo religious.
When it turns out in a few weeks that she was never associated with that Instagram post, but the Israeli military used it as grounds to round up and execute her family, you’ll all be very quiet on this.
Israel has no credibility anymore. If you believe a single word from their regime you’re willingly buying into their genocidal narrative.
JPost is heavily biased, but they linked primary sources that upon review do indeed check out.
Where did you read she was executed? That would be an extreme escalation.
They linked a secondary source, which was a twitter post with a screenshot of the supposed Instagram postThat Instagram post, in turn, was not from her actual account, but from a fake account in her name.Come on man, put just the smallest amount of effort into verifying your sources.Edit: am dumb
Where did you see that it isn’t her account? I saw screencaps of her coauthor tagging this account. I saw that the account has been active on Instagram for several years (wayback machine captured it first in 2019). I have yet to see a single answer as to her real account - even the previous one she supposedly stopped using last year.
I did verify my sources. I think you saw something that said what you wanted to think.
Yeah actually looking further, I think the account I thought was her actual one may not be - I thought
ahedtamimiiwas the main account due to the naming & number of followers, but on a more thorough look I think it is not.I retract my argument
It’s at least some kind of justice that the lass is 21, but looks like a 63-year-old fishwife from the Outer Hebrides
Yeah, not keen on Jews that one. It was weird when everybody thought that was cute because she was 16 or whatever.
