Nineteen states have passed legislation to make daylight saving time permanent. But those laws won’t take effect until Congress makes it legal. And the medical community sees one major problem.
Why couldn’t you say what the medical communities issue is in the post rather than leaving some cliff hanger and making me click into the article?
Medical communities “issue”:
But the medical community has taken issue with how the bill proposes to make the change — specifically, that it mandates all states adopt permanent daylight saving time rather than sticking to standard time
Doctors and scientists argue that standard time is actually better for our health. Our internal clock is better aligned with getting light in the morning, which, in turn, sets us up for better sleep cycles.
But isn’t morning figurative? You can always get up earlier. You can’t get up later if you work.
People generally sleep to around the schedule of work and school. If you change the clocks these change. Most people don’t really have control.of when they wake up.
Post title is identical to the article title, which is usually good practice.
The complaint was about the body of the post not the title. The last sentence in the body says that the medical community has a problem with the legislation but doesn’t summarize what the problem is.
Oh you know I honestly didn’t notice there was text in the post body, I just clicked the link. Sorry!
Instead of making it so the sun is never overhead at noon again, couldn’t we all just agree to do things an hour earlier? Surely its cheaper and less disruptive to global coordinated time keeping if we just ask Dolly to rerecord the song to be “8 to 4.”
I’d take “3 to 11” and just use GMT. Then none of these bickering parties have a leg to stand on anymore.
It makes the same problem though. You create some abstraction layer of “at 3 I start work”. You then travel somewhere else, and you have to shift your abstraction layer again to “at 8 I start work” — or you ask “but its 3 at office X, why aren’t they at work?” and then still need to shift mental times to figure out when local day/night is.
The local noon system works to ease the local abstraction shift, but makes it harder to jump to absolute times.
No mate haha… everyone uses GMT. That’s the goal. No more time zones. You don’t have to plan when going to another location, it’s the same time everywhere. If I gotta call someone on the other side of the world, it may be dark where they are and light where I am, but it’s still 4 o’clock. That’s the beauty of it.
No more time zone translation, do they use time changes, if they do, which one? That’s all over. You could even get rid of AM and PM and use military time so there no more confusion at all.
Yes, it would require us to get used to saying I’m working at 7 pm when it would normally be 2 pm local but that’s nothing compared to the dance we’re doing right now and once you’ve adjusted, it’s done for good. How much productivity is lost when people miss phone calls or meetings because of the disparity?
Hell, I’ve even missed BUSINESS FLIGHTS because of this stuff and I’m not alone.
I completely understand what you’re saying. It works for synchronizing well as things run on an absolute time. However, you are still going to do a localization shift, and you end right back up with time zones.
In your example, you work at 1500. Cool. I need to coordinate with Bob from Bulgaria. Its also 1500 there. Is he working? Who knows. I need to get out ye old solar map and find out. Or, I’m flying to Tokyo. My body is going to follow its diurnal cycle and want to wake up when the sun rises. We are still going to have a local abstraction of what the day hours are that shift with respect to longitude. A universal time doesn’t get rid of that. I agree that flight coordinating would be easier. But, if I know I want to arrive somewhere in the morning, right now I sort by AM arrival, and boom I’m done. In a UTC system, I now have to go look up the solar morning hours for my destination sort by time, find the window I want to arrive in, and then I can be good. I still might not have a good sense of what is super early versus what is closer to middle of the day.
The only issue I have with that is the date change at a reasonable hour. Especially since in California it would happen during standard business hours
at the dmv:
“your license is expired. you have to retake the exam”
it wasn’t when i got in line
Wait does your state not have a grace period for that. Mine is quite long. You have 6 months of “It’s expired but we know you probably don’t check this often, so it’s fine if you fix it quickly”
Why is it so important that the sun is directly overhead at noon?
First of all, the sun is rarely directly overhead at noon anymore, even during standard time, because we use the same time for all the time in the time zone, so the sun is only directly overhead at noon if you are in the center of the time zone. (And even then, the sun is not always overhead at noon all the time- see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equation_of_time )
Have you ever noticed that the sun is never directly overhead at noon, even when you think it should be? I doubt it.
Second of all, Noon is no longer mid-day anyway. The vast majority of people are awake for fewer hours before noon than after noon.
Permanent DST basically means that we are now considering 1PM to be mid-day, which is more compatible with most people’s schedules.
I want to point out that solar noon is the term to describe when the sun reaches its highest point in the sky.
Because that’s what noon means. There should at least be a chance.
Noon hasn’t meant that the sun is directly overhead since November 18, 1883.
https://guides.loc.gov/this-month-in-business-history/november/day-of-two-noons
And technically, Ptolemy knew in the 2nd century that mean solar time and apparent solar time were different, so you could argue we have known it for nearly 1900 years.
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What is important isn’t that the sun is directly overhead, just that it is “close” to overhead. Wherever you live you plan your day around the sun. Sure we have lights, and if you never go outside they are fine - but most people would agree that is a terrible life: once you accept you will go outside once in a while you want the times you go outside to be when the sun is up if possible (except astronomers who what nobody else to have those artificial lights on when it should be dark)
In the Northern Hemisphere, one can always expect the sun to be somewhat south of overhead at noontime. The close to the equator you live, the more directly overhead it will be.
The tropics is the only area on Earth where the Sun will ever be directly overhead. The sun’s average position is directly over the equator and the wobble in the Earth’s rotation let’s it’s absolute position vary about 23.5° north or south which is what defines the tropics.
Living in the PNW, I would very much prefer to be on permanent summer ti.e, since that way fall and winter night time does not come obscenely early.
It gets very depressing to go to work when it’s still dark, stay in a windowless room while it’s light, minus a few short breaks, and then go home and it’s already dark again.
I just don’t want the sun to come up at 5am in the summer.
I honestly don’t mind that tbh. I like watching the sun rise early in the morning
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The Senate passed the bill through an expedited process and with unanimous consent — legislative rarities in this day and age.
Members cited higher priorities, like a budget deficit and war in Ukraine, but there was also a growing chorus of criticism about the bill’s approach (more on this below).
Even if either bill manages to pass both chambers, it’d still need to be signed by President Biden, who hasn’t indicated how he leans on the issue.
This season’s turnover time is 2:00 a.m. on Nov. 5, meaning residents of most states will want to move their clocks back an hour when they go to bed this Saturday.
The nation’s convenience stores, for example, told a congressional subcommittee that they see an uptick in spending when clocks are set to daylight saving.
Nineteen states have actually passed measures pledging to switch to permanent daylight time if Congress changes the rules to allow for such an action.
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Don’t some states already do their own thing? Like Arizona? What is the holdup with allowing states to go permanent DST? Each state feels daylight a little differently due to basic geographic position so why are they dragging their feet or trying to implement a blanket policy. Let each state decide.
AZ changed long ago and got grandfathered in before Congress decided this was an inter-state trade thing they should regulate. Same for Indianna I think?
Indiana has DST now. Mitch Daniels made it part of his campaign platform for some reason.
