As details of the death toll for January’s protests continue to emerge, three students explain why they are resisting a return to normality
More than 45 days after a brutal January crackdown that left thousands of Iranian protesters dead, students across several universities are protesting again. As Iran’s new academic term began on Saturday, students in Tehran gathered on campus, chanting anti-government slogans, despite a heavy security presence and plainclothes officers stationed outside university gates.
The Guardian spoke to protesting students about why they were rallying despite the fact that thousands had been killed and tens of thousands arrested in the January demonstrations.
“Our classrooms are empty because the graveyards are full,” said Hossein*, 21, a student at the University of Tehran. “It’s for them – our friends, classmates and compatriots, who were gunned down in front of our eyes, that we decided to boycott the classes.”
“But we know the regime can no longer kill students on campus and call us terrorists … We are not afraid of losing our lives. We all are willing to put our lives on the line so at least the next generations of this country will live in freedom and peace.”
Very great to hear and gives me so much hope for the future.
The protests are good and justified, all power to the Iranian people. Iran deserves a second revolution, after the first one was taken over by the Mullahs for their own goals.
But it’s genuinely disheartening how readily nominally progressive spaces are jumping abord the manufactured consent for an imperialist military intervention by Israel and the US.
How, exactly, will bombing Iranian cities help their liberation? Or even if they succeed with deposing the Mullah regime, is anyone really expecting self determination by the Iranian people afterwards? We’re seen how the Shar’s son is pushed as the next US puppet government by US- and Israeli media (and their European allies).
The Iranian people, not just the current regime, are supportive of Palestine, and Israel and the US absolutely cannot accept that. Don’t cheer for imperialist intervention.
How, exactly, will bombing Iranian cities help their liberation?
Same way that kidnapping Maduro liberates Venezuela. And embargoing gasoline liberates Cuba. And sending ground troops into Denmark liberates Greenland.
The Iranian people, not just the current regime, are supportive of Palestine, and Israel and the US absolutely cannot accept that.
Under Shah Reza Pahlavi, they will crush Hamas and Hezbollah, defeat ISIS, and end Woke Gay Iranian Antifa once and for all.
at this point I’m don’t understand it but I can see it as a possible future for a lot of Latin America
we are watching in real time how Venezuela is transforming into a US colony
right now Fidel’s grandson is allegedly making deals with the US gov (while the US asks Mexico to stop any deals involving gas with Cuba)
and here in Mexico the state is so corrupt and the US propaganda is running strong for an intervention like the one in Venezuela (and what happened yesterday just made it worse)
But it’s genuinely disheartening how readily nominally progressive spaces are jumping abord the manufactured consent for an imperialist military intervention by Israel and the US.
Please provide evidence where this generally left-of-centre british reporting is “manufacturing consent”. Which text lines do you think are trying to make us readers agree to that kind of action by these two states?
Are they even accusing the article itself of manufacturing consent? The way I read that, it was talking about online spaces and communities falling for the manufactured consent. Which is not coming from the reporting, but from propagandists, who use the reporting to help them manufacture consent.
No, I don’t think so. But that also comes from arguments I had with the user before and other users in this thread claming this article was manufacturing consent.
left-of-centre british reporting
Insane that people believe this even exists
The Guardian is TERF central
From the Wikipedia article of Atrocity Propaganda (I added emphasis):
Atrocity propaganda is the spreading of information about the crimes committed by an enemy, which can be factual, but often includes or features deliberate fabrications or exaggerations. This can involve photographs, videos, illustrations, interviews, and other forms of information presentation or reporting
“The inherently violent nature of war means that exaggeration and invention of atrocities often becomes the main staple of propaganda. Patriotism is often not enough to make people hate the enemy, and propaganda is also necessary”
The application of atrocity propaganda is not limited to times of conflict but can be implemented to sway public opinion and create a casus belli to declare war
Nice wiki quote. Now show me, where this applies to the article.
From the text in the post, I’ve added emphasis:
‘Our classrooms are empty because the graveyards are full’: Iran’s students on why they are protesting again
As details of the death toll for January’s protests continue to emerge, three students explain why they are resisting a return to normality
More than 45 days after a brutal January crackdown that left thousands of Iranian protesters dead, students across several universities are protesting again. As Iran’s new academic term began on Saturday, students in Tehran gathered on campus, chanting anti-government slogans, despite a heavy security presence and plainclothes officers stationed outside university gates.
The Guardian spoke to protesting students about why they were rallying despite the fact that thousands had been killed and tens of thousands arrested in the January demonstrations.
“Our classrooms are empty because the graveyards are full,” said Hossein*, 21, a student at the University of Tehran. “It’s for them – our friends, classmates and compatriots, who were gunned down in front of our eyes, that we decided to boycott the classes.”
There is literally not one paragraph in the post text without atrocity propaganda, some paragraphs with several cases. Are you being purposefully obtuse?
They are spreading details about the crimes committed by the enemy, whether factual or not, and this can serve to justify a casus belli. It’s literally the definition of atrocity propaganda.
You’d need to show how this is more than simply reporting events and the POV of participants. You’d have to show how the intention is propaganda, how the article manipulates the reader, etc. You’d need to show how this differs from the reporting of ICE crimes, for example.
And then you’d need to show how the article tries to convince me that a US military intervention would be something I as a european should support.
I feel like so many on this post just think we should cease all reporting about Bad Things because the reporting could be used as propaganda to those who lack the ability to think critically.
Smh so many slow people around today.
Reporting ICE crimes is also atrocity propaganda. Propaganda doesn’t mean it’s bad, it just means you’re swaying public opinion. I believe that spreading anti-ICE propaganda is good because ICE are a bunch of fascist pigs, I believe that propagating anti-Iran propaganda in the context of the military buildup against Iran is bad because it serves to justify the casus belli and the upcoming military invasion.
it just means you’re swaying public opinion.
How exactly is this article doing this?
Propaganda is communication that is primaroly used to influence or persuade an audience to further an agenda. Methods to do so would be using selective facts, loaded language, etc so the audience does not come to a rational conclusion but a fabricated one.
Which facts does the article leave out, where does the article use loaded language, which effects do these parts have and how does that make me, a european, want the US go to war on Iran?
And then you’d need to show how the article tries to convince me that a US military intervention would be something I as a european should support.
You, as a european, are not the target demographic.
Who is, according to you?
I think most people are hoping for an attack on military targets like last year. No-one is calling for “bombing cities”. That’s a tankie fantasy. A fantankasy
The biggest death toll in the Iraq war didn’t come from the US explicitly bombing civilians, it came from the US destroying the infrastructure and military of Iraq, leading to a failed state which melted the economy, led millions to destitute poverty, and created the conditions for the appearance of ISIS.
The US doesn’t need to bomb civilians to murder them, they already murder half a million civilians worldwide every single year through economic sanctions, in which Iran is plastered.
Well no. The biggest death toll in the Iraq Adventure ® came from the civil war that erupted between (mainly) Sunni and Shia militias. Instead of singing kumbaya and rebuilding the country together they started murdering eachother to settle old scores and try to grab power. Which is to be expected, and was expected, actually.
But that doesn’t mean that should be the final argument in the question of how you help a people liberate themselves from their oppressors, as that would just mean you accept the status quo and the fact the oppressors won.
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Fuck the Mullah dictatorship!!!
Yawn more Western propaganda to justify war against Iran.
300 cops were killed by these “peaceful protesters”.
Yawn more Western propaganda to justify war against Iran.
I mean, it can be both. The Iranian government has been an oppressive theocratic reactionary force practically since day one of the revolution. They rejected socialist reforms and partnered with Ronald fucking Reagan to start a turf war with Iraq using chemical weapons. They’ve flubbed any effective containment of Israel, failed to integrate their economy with Pakistan or Turkiye or Afghanistan, gave up backing Yemen, and never finished their nuclear deterrent.
The current crisis they’re in wasn’t unforeseeable. But when even Ahmadinejad is too far left for your Guardian Council, it locks you into a dark future.
We can keep talking about dumb stuff Iran did 50 years ago but Khamenei is already dead. Iran is currently the only major party fighting Israel and standing for human rights and against genocide.
Saying they have failed to contain Israel is laughable. The entire American air force is on Irans doorstep because they have been so effective in containing Israel. Pakistan and Turkiye are led by unreliable NATO slaves there is no stable partnership to build with them.
Yemen is still receiving Iranian weapons and has defeated the US air force last year with them while lobbing missiles at Israel.
Pezeshkian is their current president and he is a reformist. The reformists are the reason that Iran does not have nukes right now.
Iran is currently the only major party fighting Israel
No, they aren’t. They’re rolling over for Israel time and time again.
They withdraw support from Hezbollah, from the Houthis in Yemen, and from the Taliban in Afghanistan for a few temporary sanctions suspensions. They actively collaborate with Israel’s friends in Russia and Saudi Arabia. They collaborated with the fucking Americans during the initial Iraq War. They crack down on their own domestic civilians when those populations want more aggressive Palestinian support. They’ve been “six months from producing a nuclear weapon” for thirty fucking years.
Yemen is still receiving Iranian weapons
The only thing they know how to do to Israel is to fire Warning Shots. Over and over and over again. Even as Israelis butcher their people at home and abroad.
They aren’t fighting them in any material sense.
The Iraq war is 20 years in the past it is no longer relevant. Bigger recent human rights abuses from Iran came from their support from Assad. But now that Assad is gone a US slave has taken his place so that is double sided.
Iran supports the resistance behind the scenes not in front of it like Yemen. I would love for Iran to actively start shelling Israel, they have during the 12 day war, but they are already doing a million times more than every other country worldwide such as China which is actively helping Israel colonize the West Bank.
I clicked your Houthi link and it is one of those anti Houthi propaganda websites. Becomes rather obvious when you go to their front page. I hope you reconsider your sources.
Iran supports the resistance behind the scenes not in front of it like Yemen.
That stopped being true years ago. They’ve fully retreated from the regional stage.
they are already doing a million times more than every other country worldwide
They’re unable to keep the water flowing and the lights on, because they keep trying to make deals with Western imperialists and getting played
https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2025/07/22/post-12-day-war-iran-continues-to-invest-in-the-houthis/
Iran is sanctioned because it does not bow for Israel. That is the entire reason.
Iran literally sentencing kids to death and you’re saying this shit? You’re getting paid or smt?
Iran literally sentencing kids to death
This isn’t novel to Iran. The US was sentencing minors to execution until as recently as 2005, when the SCOTUS struck down junivenille executions in Roper v. Simmons.
And that was under a relatively liberal majority. No way Roper would have gone 5-4 under a Roberts court.
Two 17 year old terrorists magically become children.
Those 300 cops must have killed themselves.
Ehsan Hosseinipour Hesarloo, 18, Matin Mohammadi and Erfan Amiri, both 17, are undergoing a fast-tracked, torture-tainted grossly unfair trial before Branch 26 of the Revolutionary Court of Tehran for alleged involvement in an 8 January 2026 fire at a Basij base inside a mosque in Pakdasht, Tehran province, that killed two Basij agent
So they literally killed police and burned down mosques.
Amnesty is an imperialist propaganda organisation which has repeated the debunked Hamas rape hoax. They will paste any Zionist propaganda they are asked on their frontpage.
I mean, they did commit arson with a deadly outcome, but Basij are not cops. They’re a junta.
That being said, I strongly oppose the death penalty, I oppose war (fuck the US and fuck Israel), and also fuck the “protestors” that destroyed people’s cars, shops, mosques and homes. I’m an anarchist and a revolutionary, they’re mindless thugs. We are not the same.
I guess security forces are technically a better description but in practice they would be comparable to volunteer cops.
How is OP not banned? 18k posts which exclusively seem to be news, 5 comments, it’s literally a propaganda bot, what the fuck!
Propaganda bot for posting The Guardian? You’re ok?
18k news posts, most of them from genocide-complicit western Zionist media
You’re not wrong about the Guardian but also like… the Iranian government is fucked. Yes, this is probably propaganda to manufacture consent, but that doesn’t mean it’s not also a real story of real students fighting a real struggle. It’s a tough line to walk.
Not a tough line to walk, really. I see no constant stream of news on Lemmy about Qatar being an apartheid state with 80% of migrants without rights, or Saudi Arabia’s similar policy. No constant stream of posts about mass incarceration of black people in the US, of Nazis roaming the streets of Madrid and Paris…
Deciding what news to publish is itself extremely political, and focusing on atrocity propaganda in Iran, a heavily sanctioned country against which there’s an ongoing US military buildup on the verge of invasion, is willing and a form of atrocity propaganda. It’s designed specifically to make progressive people less critical of the upcoming strikes, and judging by the number of upvotes these posts get, it’s working.
5 years ago there wasn’t this constant stream of anti-Iranian propaganda, it was Venezuela, and we’ve seen the results. Learning to distinguish the workings of propaganda is critical to any progressive, and it allows us both to be more resistant to propaganda and to use it better (for example by relentlessly posting about Palestine or the ICE, we can similarly engage in what I consider good atrocity propaganda).
OK then be this way
Huh?
OP actually has hundreds (thousands?) of comments over the past few years, but all but the most recent are listed as deleted by creator. I won’t speculate as to the reason for this, but just note that their current comment count doesn’t reflect their historical contributions.
I’ll also just leave this quote from one of the comment chains they’ve recently commented on:
@MicroWave@lemmy.world I just want to say thanks for posting quality links so frequently. You’re one of the few who isn’t posting click bait junk like Raw Story and Daily Beast.
I don’t personally keep track, but it seems some others do feel they make valuable contributions. I for one don’t want to see anyone too quick to torch the relative few individuals putting content on Lemmy.
Thanks for this comment. News about Iran seems to bring out extreme personalities lately it seems like.
I can’t fathom how, after the disgrace that western media has proven to be during the “Israeli” genocide of Palestinians, posting unending links to western mass-media can be considered a positive and not a tool of brainwashing.
May Iran become an Islamic Kingdom again.
It is a terrible situation for everyone.
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So Iran’s inflation, food and water costs, blackouts and other problems weren’t casual whatsoever?
It all happened coz a bunch of university lecturer’s told their students to go uprise?
They were mostly caused by Trumps maximum pressure sanctions campaign which has been suffocating the economy for over a decade.
Iran has been under extreme sanctions for 45 years. Trump has intensified them prior to military invasion, yes, but the entire US government apparatus is complicit in the murder of hundreds of thousands if not millions of Iranians through economic deprivation.
Why do these idiots in authoritarian dictatorships always think that protesting the government will remove it? No, they’ll kill you. Learn your lesson. And by that I don’t mean giving up.
Good book on this if you actually want to know why it’s good to protest even in authoritarian countries https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/453761/when-everyone-knows-that-everyone-knows-by-pinker-steven/9780241618820
I will try to explain. Protesting allows to determine how many are generally “on board” with an idea. If you protest and you see that you have a supermajority (e.g. 90%) the point is moot, then the armed services are likely also on your side (e.g. USSR in 1991).
The next step, changing the government, usually requires a bit of force. It can take two typical forms:
a) people overcome cops while the army does nothing
b) units of the army rebel and overcome cops
c) units of the army fight each other in a civil war
Now, as you may guess, option C is pretty bad - weaponry made for international defense gets unleashed internally with no clear lines of conflict. But option A is pretty tame and B can be reasonably quick and bloodless.
It all starts with a show of hands, and an evaluation of how many are OK with a plan - inside a group and between groups. If too few show up, one knows the time is wrong. If a modest amount show up, one knows to be careful. And so forth.
Wouldn’t you rather be dead than oppressed.
Eventually, they will succeed. If you understand Iran’s demographics and the history behind those demographics, this is the logical conclusion. The mullahs’ days are numbered.
… All the more reason an invasion is all the more stupid. Iran is a problem that will deal with itself.
That’s literally how eastern Germany got rid of their government. And yes, people got killed. But in the end they succeed. There was absolutely no chance for a violent coup if this is what you’re implying. The government and the Soviet Union would have crushed that immediately.
“People” are genuinely trying to argue the US is just as bad or even worse.
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Why is it the responsibility of the US? I’m old enough to remember being (rightfully) shunned for doing the same fucking shit in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Why did the US invade Afghanistan? Why did they invade Iraq?
Do you believe the US is considering a ground invasion of Iran?
(ps I don’t advocate it’s their responsibility, mainly arguing about opposing any intervention)
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Well, your copypaste doesn’t really say what you say it does but, yeah, even if that was the case how does it help the people of Iran?
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It ABSOLUTELY says what I say it says.
There aren’t too many sentences there. You can do this.
I get where you’re clumsily aiming at but the current situation is what it is. The Iranian people don’t gain shit when we limit ourselves to reciting history to eachother
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As an American I’ve long supported assisting rebels, but going to war is just as likely to backfire as it is to succeed.
As an American I’ve long supported assisting rebels
The best way to support Iranians would be to mass-protest against the US-imposed economic sanctions demolishing their economy. US economic sanctions murder half a million people yearly, per latest medical studies.
Well you can give the small arms but then they’re up against an advanced military. They basically don’t stand a chance without at least air support
If you let them get nukes it’s basically game over
After 40 days, as expected. Trump now has his public excuse to attack. I don’t know what to think of all this.
William Spaniel, Lines on Maps on YouTube, tried to break it down in a couple of videos.
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